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Post by Bonzo on Oct 17, 2019 20:31:35 GMT -5
Here is a big difference between you blue koolaiders and us Bonzomites. Why is it that you always assume Dan is doing the most glorious thing in the world just to honor his followers? Sorry lsc, but one thing I will give Dan big credit for is being a shrewd business man. He's smart that way. But he's also a pure used car salesman, and I don't think I need to explain what that means. There is profit going on here, plain and simple. Risk? Naw, he's got something else up his sleeve. Contrary to what blue koolaiders think, he's not a profit, he's a profitier who will play shell games to make money. This program is about cash. But another part that my Bonzomite gut tells me is that it's also a game of distraction. Magic. Let's sell this awesome program to shift talk away from how schiitty the XMC-1 HDMI upgrade board was and how the RMC release was a complete sham for the first 6 months and has only gotten incrementally better since, and never mind how it is still not working properly for many people.
We will never agree I'm afraid. And I think we are both amazed and dumb founded by how the other thinks. I know I am.
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Post by tchaik on Oct 17, 2019 21:42:30 GMT -5
Here is a big difference between you blue koolaiders and us Bonzomites. Why is it that you always assume Dan is doing the most glorious thing in the world just to honor his followers? Sorry lsc, but one thing I will give Dan big credit for is being a shrewd business man. He's smart that way. But he's also a pure used car salesman, and I don't think I need to explain what that means. There is profit going on here, plain and simple. Risk? Naw, he's got something else up his sleeve. Contrary to what blue koolaiders think, he's not a profit, he's a profitier who will play shell games to make money. This program is about cash. But another part that my Bonzomite gut tells me is that it's also a game of distraction. Magic. Let's sell this awesome program to shift talk away from how schiitty the XMC-1 HDMI upgrade board was and how the RMC release was a complete sham for the first 6 months and has only gotten incrementally better since, and never mind how it is still not working properly for many people. We will never agree I'm afraid. And I think we are both amazed and dumb founded by how the other thinks. I know I am. bonzo. you don't know jack about dan. and if you ask do I? I can answer to the affirmative. dan will never tell you to move on since he is much more of a gentlemen, but you remind me of so many of the sophomores I have to teach at the college. lots of opinion, lots of passion, not much depth and rarely right. many of us would prefer you find another forum to haunt because your participation here is been nothing short of dreary and depressing. most of us come here to have a good time. you come here to criticize, complain, use hyperbole when none is appropriate and often slander as you just did with dan. so... don't bother responding since your post will add nothing new to what you have contributed in the last 5180 posts .....just another layer of dismal redundancy on top of the others...... tchaik.........
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Post by Lsc on Oct 17, 2019 22:16:13 GMT -5
Here is a big difference between you blue koolaiders and us Bonzomites. Why is it that you always assume Dan is doing the most glorious thing in the world just to honor his followers? Sorry lsc, but one thing I will give Dan big credit for is being a shrewd business man. He's smart that way. But he's also a pure used car salesman, and I don't think I need to explain what that means. There is profit going on here, plain and simple. Risk? Naw, he's got something else up his sleeve. Contrary to what blue koolaiders think, he's not a profit, he's a profitier who will play shell games to make money. This program is about cash. But another part that my Bonzomite gut tells me is that it's also a game of distraction. Magic. Let's sell this awesome program to shift talk away from how schiitty the XMC-1 HDMI upgrade board was and how the RMC release was a complete sham for the first 6 months and has only gotten incrementally better since, and never mind how it is still not working properly for many people. We will never agree I'm afraid. And I think we are both amazed and dumb founded by how the other thinks. I know I am. I don’t understand why you spend so much energy speaking against Big Dan and Emotiva as if you have a personal vendetta and at the same time feel like you are an evangelist. I think you are wasting your time. Why not go chat it up on a brand you do like? What is so interesting here that you feel like you need to come here and “open our eyes”? Tell me how I can get a competitive preamp for under $2k - which is what I paid for the XMC2. I’m enjoying the sound and waiting for Dirac. Don’t care about the RMC1 or it’s problems because I don’t own one! I’ll let the people who own one worry about it. Or ones who are in the market for a $5k prepro - I’m not one of them. What the XMC2 shares the same internals and the RMC1? Well I don’t have issues worth worrying about. And the few things, if Emotiva fixes them great, if not it’s not a big deal. Don’t care about the Emotiva amps with the switching transformers. I don’t own one nor will I buy one. I’m getting an outlaw power amp (its in my budget) that’s fully balanced since the XMC2 is fully balanced across all channels. Again, I don’t understand at all why you care so much to stand against Big Dan or Emotiva. It’s so stupid that I for the most part just ignored it but now you called me out. Big dan sucks. He is a used car salesman. Emotiva prepros have lots of problems. Their release plan and announcements are poorly planned. Blah blah blah 🙄. Enjoy your Marantz or whatever you have. I’m happy for you.
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Post by emofrmcgy on Oct 17, 2019 22:22:09 GMT -5
And Bonzo some of us actually value your presence and posts. Cheers bud..
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Post by koyiwa on Oct 18, 2019 9:39:57 GMT -5
Seems like the webpage for the XMC-1 trade in for XMC-2 is now available to order again.
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Post by Bonzo on Oct 18, 2019 9:55:06 GMT -5
for the most part just ignored it but now you called me out. As I already said, "We will never agree I'm afraid. And I think we are both amazed and dumb founded by how the other thinks. I know I am." I think it applies here too. I'll just leave it at that. tchaik, as requested, I won't reply to your post with commentary.
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Post by creimes on Oct 18, 2019 10:00:49 GMT -5
The one thing that we enjoy so much or are supposed to enjoy immensely causes so much frustration and grief at times because of all this back and forth banter, sit back chill and crank up the tunes boys, I know that's what I do
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Post by wilburthegoose on Oct 18, 2019 10:06:01 GMT -5
Right now, I don't see why I'd switch. I don't need Atmos, and would never move without Dirac (yes, I know that's coming, but exactly when?)
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Post by geebo on Oct 18, 2019 10:16:07 GMT -5
Right now, I don't see why I'd switch. I don't need Atmos, and would never move without Dirac (yes, I know that's coming, but exactly when?) For me a brand new box with a new 5 year warranty and the latest technology with the new version of Dirac coming is a no-brainer for 600 bucks. I don't need Atmos, either.
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Post by rbk123 on Oct 18, 2019 10:34:16 GMT -5
For me a brand new box with a new 5 year warranty and the latest technology with the new version of Dirac coming is a no-brainer for 600 bucks. I don't need Atmos, either. It will be a grand for me since I didn't get the board, but I'm hoping the newer surround processing chips make a noticeable difference, and look forward to your non-Atmos comparison of them. I still have a lot of warranty on my XMC-1, though, as well, but I'm in if there's some real sonic improvement (for movies; I imagine 2 channel will be very very close between them). I'm no Dan defender, but I think this was a business move that benefits both sides - it would have cost Emo too much $$ to keep putting money in upgrading the old platform, so both sides gain. I also think they're in a hurry to sew up marketshare that they might lose to the other processors soon to be released. If it were my company, that is certainly a factor I'd consider and act on. I'm ok agreeing to disagree with Bonz - he could be right since we're both just guessing.
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Post by geebo on Oct 18, 2019 10:41:46 GMT -5
For me a brand new box with a new 5 year warranty and the latest technology with the new version of Dirac coming is a no-brainer for 600 bucks. I don't need Atmos, either. It will be a grand for me since I didn't get the board, but I'm hoping the newer surround processing chips make a noticeable difference, and look forward to your non-Atmos comparison of them. I still have a lot of warranty on my XMC-1, though, as well, but I'm in if there's some real sonic improvement (for movies; I imagine 2 channel will be very very close between them). I'm no Dan defender, but I think this was a business move that benefits both sides - it would have cost Emo too much $$ to keep putting money in upgrading the old platform, so both sides gain. I also think they're in a hurry to sew up marketshare that they might lose to the other processors soon to be released. If it were my company, that is certainly a factor I'd consider and act on. I'm ok agreeing to disagree with Bonz - he could be right since we're both just guessing. I know the trade benefits me which is the important part. If it benefits Emotiva (and I'm sure it does) then it's a win-win. Always a good thing.
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Post by AudioHTIT on Oct 18, 2019 11:31:45 GMT -5
... but I'm in if there's some real sonic improvement (for movies; I imagine 2 channel will be very very close between them). ... That's been my experience with the RMC-1, my HT system sounds better than ever. My analog two channel (turntable) sounds indistinguishable to me, my digital two channel sounds 'different', but I don't know if I'd call it better or worse. Bottom line, for a two channel user I'd be hard pressed to say someone should upgrade (outside of the warranty / future support issues). That said, some may hear differences in the DACs (positive or negative) that elude me. I would just call it slightly different and don't have enough memory of the XMC-1 to be more descriptive.
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Post by rbk123 on Oct 18, 2019 11:52:31 GMT -5
That's been my experience with the RMC-1, my HT system sounds better than ever. Is this true for non-Atmos movies - i.e. DTS-HD/TruHD. DD and DTS 5.1 would be a bonus, but HD would be my real focus.
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Post by emofrmcgy on Oct 18, 2019 11:55:19 GMT -5
That's been my experience with the RMC-1, my HT system sounds better than ever. Is this true for non-Atmos movies - i.e. DTS-HD/TruHD. DD and DTS 5.1 would be a bonus, but HD would be my real focus. And can Dolby surround be used on dts content. I'm one of the few that doesn't particularly like neural x.
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Post by SticknStones on Oct 18, 2019 11:56:21 GMT -5
It will be a grand for me since I didn't get the board, but I'm hoping the newer surround processing chips make a noticeable difference, and look forward to your non-Atmos comparison of them. I still have a lot of warranty on my XMC-1, though, as well, but I'm in if there's some real sonic improvement (for movies; I imagine 2 channel will be very very close between them). I'm no Dan defender, but I think this was a business move that benefits both sides - it would have cost Emo too much $$ to keep putting money in upgrading the old platform, so both sides gain. I also think they're in a hurry to sew up marketshare that they might lose to the other processors soon to be released. If it were my company, that is certainly a factor I'd consider and act on. I'm ok agreeing to disagree with Bonz - he could be right since we're both just guessing. I know the trade benefits me which is the important part. If it benefits Emotiva (and I'm sure it does) then it's a win-win. Always a good thing. I Do not have the 4k card plus I am out of warranty. I view this as a win-win for all. I am looking forward to it.
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Post by Lsc on Oct 18, 2019 12:11:55 GMT -5
It will be a grand for me since I didn't get the board, but I'm hoping the newer surround processing chips make a noticeable difference, and look forward to your non-Atmos comparison of them. I still have a lot of warranty on my XMC-1, though, as well, but I'm in if there's some real sonic improvement (for movies; I imagine 2 channel will be very very close between them). I'm no Dan defender, but I think this was a business move that benefits both sides - it would have cost Emo too much $$ to keep putting money in upgrading the old platform, so both sides gain. I also think they're in a hurry to sew up marketshare that they might lose to the other processors soon to be released. If it were my company, that is certainly a factor I'd consider and act on. I'm ok agreeing to disagree with Bonz - he could be right since we're both just guessing. I know the trade benefits me which is the important part. If it benefits Emotiva (and I'm sure it does) then it's a win-win. Always a good thing. Unless some of us own Emotiva stocks, I’d think our main concern for the success of Emotiva lies in the going concern. We want Emotiva to be successful so they can continue to provide us with at least in my opinion high end products for less. If this makes me an emo “fanboy”, I’m also a fanboy of lots other consumer electronic goods I possess like LG, SVS, Apple etc. So, I know that it just happens that many of us know Big Dan and Lonnie personally due to the family environment they project and their participation in shows to promote their products. So we know them ok, but business is business - the fact that I know them doesn’t mean they are going to sell their products at cost to me nor do I expect it. I hope that all for profit businesses are in the business in making a profit, short term and long term otherwise the obvious happens. Sometimes to retain customers they need to take a loss especially if they caused the situation. But it’s neither here nor there - if it’s a win win, great! If not, as long as I feel like the deal is fair and I’m willing to fork out my hard earned cash it’s good enough for me. Happy listening! The XMC2 sounds great! 😊
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Post by cawgijoe on Oct 18, 2019 13:03:03 GMT -5
Emotiva would not be doing this trade if they were not making a profit. They also gain goodwill with previous customers who were told that the XMC-1 platform would continue to be upgradable for years to come. A happy customer is going to continue to purchase and promote Emotiva products. It's a win for both sides.
I can't wait to get mine.
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Post by davidl81 on Oct 18, 2019 14:08:52 GMT -5
Emotiva would not be doing this trade if they were not making a profit. They also gain goodwill with previous customers who were told that the XMC-1 platform would continue to be upgradable for years to come. A happy customer is going to continue to purchase and promote Emotiva products. It's a win for both sides. I can't wait to get mine. Yeah they are essentially selling new XMC-2's for about $1800 to $2200 if you factor in the sales price they are getting for the refurbished XMC-1's. I'm sure they are at worst close to break even, but they are also not spending the time and money needed to make the legacy XMC-1 work with Atmos.
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Post by rod1971 on Oct 19, 2019 10:14:00 GMT -5
Has anyone received their email with the mailing label yet? Thinking about boxing up the XMC-1 this weekend!
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Post by Priapulus on Oct 19, 2019 10:31:52 GMT -5
Has anyone received their email with the mailing label yet? Thinking about boxing up the XMC-1 this weekend! Given Emo's history of optimistic timelines, I'll wait until I get the label before I box it up. I am gathering all the parts and accessories, to be ready. Sincerely /b
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