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Post by marc814 on Nov 14, 2009 10:39:48 GMT -5
No to THX. George Lucas has enough money.
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Post by mnwild on Nov 14, 2009 10:53:18 GMT -5
No on the THX.
Now can I just trade in my UMC pre-order spot for a XMC pre-order spot? ;D
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Post by monkumonku on Nov 14, 2009 11:08:17 GMT -5
Even though I plan on getting the UMC-1 and not the XMC-1 (at least that's what I say for now..), I vote for a knob and vote NO on the THX. My Onkyo 706 is THX certified and I think that is a big waste of time and money. I never use any of that stuff because it makes everything sound worse with it than without it.
The only advantage to THX is to be able to sell units to people who are specifically looking for it or who somehow think that is a mark of quality. I feel people who buy Emo equipment are the kind who can confidently think for themselves and don't need a bunch of useless certifications as a reason to buy something.
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Post by Nemesis.ie on Nov 14, 2009 11:08:23 GMT -5
Yeah as long as we are making wish list #2, I think aux HDMI and calibration mic on the front would be swell. Hopefully Audyssey makes it into that 3rd super secret Emotiva processor. My vote would be for Trinnov + the extra channels (assuming it would be possible, or does trinnov computationally provide height)? Only if it actually works of course.
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Post by Nemesis.ie on Nov 14, 2009 11:08:45 GMT -5
No on the THX. Now can I just trade in my UMC pre-order spot for a XMC pre-order spot? ;D Maybe we can swap.
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Post by dmraupp on Nov 14, 2009 11:26:06 GMT -5
I would have to vote no to thx certification,I am pretty confident Emotiva can make a processor sound great without having to pay George Lucas a pile of cash to confirm it As for the knob, I would prefer one that was flush if were to get one.
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Post by owtuv on Nov 14, 2009 11:27:12 GMT -5
I'd like to hear from more of you regarding THX certification. We can easily pass it with both units, but do you care? It's expensive... but we know that some people equate "really good" with the THX mark. Don't ask me my opinion; I live to serve. Let us know if you have an opinion either way. Dan, While I have to admit that THX certification looks good in specs and marketing, I never use any of the the THX surround modes with my current Pioneer VSX-LX70 AVR. I guess the THX mark might be more valuable to Emotiva in terms of marketing and competition than a real value to most of the customers. Best regards, Ole Willy Tuv
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Post by Trey on Nov 14, 2009 11:27:54 GMT -5
No to THX. George Lucas has enough money. lol! Awesome!
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Post by Dan Laufman on Nov 14, 2009 11:32:53 GMT -5
Would PLIIz be of interest?
We'd have to revert to 5.1 + the two height channels in that mode.... we do not plan to add a full 9.1 audio path for this unit just to support PLIIz.
Personally I do not see any real need to add PLIIz, as I've never heard it improve the sound field with any consistency, and in some case I feel it's detrimental, but as I have mentioned, I live to serve. Heck, what am I saying? I could sell you all some more special "height" speakers!
I've gotta' start thinking like a businessman....
You NEED more speakers. You NEED more amplifiers. You NEED more cables. You NEED more preamplifier's, CD players, processors... You NEED more stuff!! And we've got what you NEED right here!
How convenient for you!!
Cash, check or charge happily accepted! ;D
Your humble servant, Big Dan
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Post by dmraupp on Nov 14, 2009 11:35:17 GMT -5
Would PLIIz be of interest? We'd have to revert to 5.1 + the two height channels in that mode.... we do not plan to add a full 9.1 audio path for this unit just to support PLIIz. Personally I do not see any real need to add PLIIz, as I've never heard it improve the sound field with any consistency, and in some case I feel it's detrimental, but as I have mentioned, I live to serve. Heck, what am I saying? I could sell you all some more special "height" speakers! I've gotta' start thinking like a businessman.... You NEED more speakers. You NEED more amplifiers. You NEED more cables. You NEED more preamplifier's, CD players, processors... You NEED more stuff!! And we've got what you NEED right here! How convenient for you!! Cash, check or charge happily accepted! ;D Your humble servant, Big Dan Ha,Ha that's awesome,I would never use it,I just want to keep as much of my cash as possible ;D
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Post by jetjockey on Nov 14, 2009 11:44:57 GMT -5
Thanks for all the much needed info gentlemen! Sounds like a fantastic piece, looks like I'm waiting for the XMC as I thought I would.
My vote is no for THX unless it represents very little increase in cost and no delays in certification. Emo certification is good enough for me ;D
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Post by owtuv on Nov 14, 2009 11:54:40 GMT -5
Would PLIIz be of interest? Dan, Not to me personally, I have a 3.0 HT setup. ;D However, with the very reasonable price point being discussed ($1000-1500) for a HD processor of this quality, I don´t see a problem with paying a few bucks for the THX and PLIIz features even if I probably won´t ever use them. Many of your competitors will have those features by the time the XMC comes out, so THX and PLIIz are probably strong selling points. Best regards, Ole Willy Tuv
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Post by DYohn on Nov 14, 2009 11:56:09 GMT -5
I don't have a dog in this fight since the UMC-1 is the pre/pro I'm looking for (no need for balanced signal path, seldom use the HT for music, no real need for analog inputs, no need for Internet connectivity or RS232 (RS232!?!) and we use only one HDMI display and two HDMI sources and are unlikely to increase that need.) So please develop the XMC-1 however you see fit to meet the market demands you perceive. And I'm sure you don't have to be told this, but realize this forum represents only a small fraction of your market base, albeit a vocal one.
As to THX, to me this is a corporate decision not an equipment-specific one. It is not inexpensive to sign a THX contract, and there are significant licensing fees every time the logo is used. I don't know how high the Singaporeans have pushed these fees, but I know they used to be set based on sales price point percentages. So, if at a corporate level a decision gets made that THX certification is a tactical marketing position you need to take for the entire company and you are willing to eat the start-up costs and can accept the product margin reduction for the fees, then go for it. If those costs are unacceptable, pass.
Me, I'd probably pass and pour that money back into R&D.
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Post by jimbailey on Nov 14, 2009 11:56:34 GMT -5
Uhhh, don't do PLIIz for me. I'm high enough on the proposed features...
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Post by bigred7078 on Nov 14, 2009 12:07:22 GMT -5
i personally feel PLIIz would draw more customers than a THX logo would...
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Post by Animo on Nov 14, 2009 12:08:41 GMT -5
Dan, this is totally awesome the amount of feedback you (Emotiva) act(s) on. However, I think some people are starting to get carried away. While many may feel it's nice to have a unit that is soup to nuts, I don't feel the XMC should be that platform. Especially since it's been mentioned that a true "FLAGSHIP" processor is still in the think tank. Therefore, just a few of my thoughts.... KNOB = YES...unequivocally!! THX = TAKE IT or LEAVE IT....depending on $$$$. Had it on my Onkyo, rarely used it. I can see how some people think this is important, and it probably would be a good sales and marketing point for Emotiva.....and I am gung ho for anything that makes you guys successful. Heck I might even need a job some day...LOL ;D PLIIz = NOT NOW...... especially if it's at the expense of my rear surrounds....save it for the future "FLAGSHIP" processor that would have 9.1 or 9.2 architecture. I agree also, that I have not really heard any viable sound enhancements from front or "side axis" channels. However, last night I watched "UP" and there was a lot of rear information coming from my back wall. To me, that creates a more enveloping presence, and sucked me right into the movie. Will I buy a full blown XMC-2? Possibly down the road, but I don't need it now, and I suspect others feel the same way. One side note....I have not had the pleasure of listening to the UMC for it's SQ. I am hoping that the SQ is stellar, and will be likewise on the XMC. Presently, I am hooked into an Outlaw 970 and I have been hard pressed to find another processor that sounds as clean, smooth, and uncolored, considering it's price, and including several that are way more expensive . I pre-ordered an XMC because it offered more than the UMC and the proposed Outlaw 997, and gave me everything I want and need right now, but I'm willing to wait till June ....................or August
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Post by LCSeminole on Nov 14, 2009 12:09:00 GMT -5
1) YES, to the KNOB!!!
2) NO, to THX!!!
3) NO, to PLIIz!!!
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Post by Animo on Nov 14, 2009 12:10:39 GMT -5
Yeah as long as we are making wish list #2, I think aux HDMI and calibration mic on the front would be swell. Hopefully Audyssey makes it into that 3rd super secret Emotiva processor. My vote would be for Trinnov + the extra channels (assuming it would be possible, or does trinnov computationally provide height)? Only if it actually works of course. One of the main reasons Outlaw's new 997 is not even in production is because of glitches with the Trinnov in the Sherwood 972
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Post by DYohn on Nov 14, 2009 12:19:54 GMT -5
Speaking of the power of marketing... why the calls for Audessey or Trinov... if the Emo-Q can be shown that it can work just as well?
This is why I say pursuing THX certification is a marketing decision.
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Post by Animo on Nov 14, 2009 12:22:52 GMT -5
Speaking of the power of marketing... why the calls for Audessey or Trinov... if the Emo-Q can be shown that it can work just as well? This is why I say pursuing THX certification is a marketing decision. Agreed!! Besides, Audessy and Trinnov are also offered as stand alone units. Hmmmmm??? I wonder if I just gave Dan & Lonnie an idea?
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