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Post by miesepies on Nov 14, 2009 8:33:33 GMT -5
I vote for a big round (blue led ring motorized) knob.
Only thing missing in the sketch is the 4th stereo analog input... or is the 7.1 input counted twice, once for 7.1, once for stereo ??
I'm really wondering if the XMC-1 will be available june next year... I might go for the UMC-1 first (I really need a prepro now), and then think real hard if i need to upgrade when the XMC-1 is available.
Personally I would like to see only a few buttons on the front; less = better. The MMC-1 is in my view an example of too many buttons. I really like the way the Primare products look, because of the less = better designs...
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Post by houston1 on Nov 14, 2009 8:39:57 GMT -5
I also vote for a knob. Haha...my daughter always seems to misplace the remotes, and I still like the manual feel of "turning up the volume." ;D
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Post by jimbailey on Nov 14, 2009 8:48:28 GMT -5
Wow! Thanks again for your responsiveness! I really like the knob on the USP-1, but then, I'm an olde tymer...
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2009 8:49:51 GMT -5
Seriously how many companies would change a products specs in just a matter of days because of the customers wants/needs! You guys rock! The updated specs looks great! i really have no complaints left absofreakinglutely . . . practically unheard of and damned if it doesn't make me a loyal customer
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2009 8:51:40 GMT -5
Black, with silver trim. Ok, seriously...Lonnie has a draft. Similar to the UMC-1, but obviously, with more going on...including a more complicated 'quadrant' set of control buttons. Here's the big question: You guys still want a volume knob, or volume buttons, like the MMC had? Knob? No Knob? put a poll up . . . I vote yes on the knob
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2009 8:54:37 GMT -5
I vote knob. But will it go to 11? Man, that's a great clip . . thanks for posting!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2009 8:58:42 GMT -5
While my LMC-1 is currently displaying its innards to the world, (I have it open to attempt to re-seat the ribbon cables. Lost my center.) I have contemplated the UMC-1 with my discount. Is that baby shipping yet? I need to do something. I've outgrown the external HDMI switcher. And, frankly, grew tired of its quirkiness. Now the XMC-1 appears to set the bar even higher. I'm just wondering if it might be overkill for me and my LPA-1. Just rambling here. Since you already own a lmc-1 you can get 40% of a umc-1, since it's the next generation, but not on a xmc-1. That's why I'm going to go ahead and get the umc-1 now with the discount and then maybe sell it down the road and use the proceeds towards a xmc-1. It is quite possible I misunderstood something but I initially thought that if I had an LMC, I could get the 40% off on either the UMC or the XMC (or any future generation processor)? Did I get that wrong?
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Post by jimbailey on Nov 14, 2009 9:08:14 GMT -5
I believe the UMC-1 and XMC-1 are considered the same generation. You should be able to use your discount on either, but not both.
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Post by Dan Laufman on Nov 14, 2009 9:24:35 GMT -5
Gunner did do a nice job of typing for me yesterday... if he'd only shave his legs, he could be my secretary! OK kids, here we go: Both the UMC-1 and XMC-1 have 24Hz frame rate support in pass through mode. If the source is 24Hz, is comes out 24Hz. however, we do not reconvert 60Hz sources to 24Hz. Remember, this is only of value when the end device (your projector or display) has 24Hz capability. Many, many, do not. They'll just bump back up to 60Hz. The two channel performance of the XMC-1 will be very comparable to the XSP-1. I see the benefit of reversing the outputs on the back so the wires don't cross, good idea... Lonnie! Ok, big knob. Done. The HDMI video section of the XMC-1 along with having two outputs will have a "hardware bypass" mode. This allows the video to be completely routed around the Torino for those who want to use external scaling or just want absolutely NO signal processing from in to out, or even the chance of it. Also, when 12bit or 14bit , or whatever bit displays and sources become available in the future, this will be nice. The UMC-1 has a bypass mode that is essentially a bit for bit bypass and turns off all processing, but it does go through the Torino core. This is a precision 10 bit path with support for up to 12 bits data depth in pass through mode. Very nice IMHO. Remember, Bluray is a 8 to 10 bit source and that's all that's really available for now, so don't jump out of a window! The reason the HDMI outputs on the XMC-1 are selectable is to allow maximum performance if you have displays with different resolutions. If you have a 720p display and a 1080p display attached to the same set of outputs, the HDMI will detect the lower of the two resolutions and set the video output resolution accordingly. With the assignment capability we make sure you are getting the highest possible output resolution for the connected display. However, when you force both to be active (which we will allow) you will have to accept the lowest attached displays resolution on BOTH outputs. It's no big deal if both attached displays are of the same resolution, like 1080p. Nice. I'd like to hear from more of you regarding THX certification. We can easily pass it with both units, but do you care? It's expensive... but we know that some people equate "really good" with the THX mark. Don't ask me my opinion; I live to serve. Let us know if you have an opinion either way. We're listening. More in the near future. Thanks, Big Dan
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Post by doug917 on Nov 14, 2009 9:38:46 GMT -5
Awesome! Glad it went back to 8 HDMI inputs. I have 6 HDMI sources currently in use and currently have to use an external switcher which = PITA.
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Post by Trey on Nov 14, 2009 9:58:33 GMT -5
Thanks for the info Dan. I too dig the HDMI 8 inputs and volume knob so they get my vote. Can it go to 11? In my opinion, not having THX is not a deal breaker for me. I've had it on one receiver before and woopdefreakindo. I'd rather you guys pass the savings on to us...again, this is just my opinion. I also vote for these features on the front of the unit: - an aux HDMI (or mini HDMI) port
- a USB port (assuming we can play files from it)
- sound calibration port
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2009 10:03:04 GMT -5
I'd like to hear from more of you regarding THX certification. We can easily pass it with both units, but do you care? It's expensive... but we know that some people equate "really good" with the THX mark. Don't ask me my opinion; I live to serve. Let us know if you have an opinion either way. We're listening. More in the near future. Thanks, Big Dan RE: the THX certification, if this means the street price goes up, then my vote is 'no'. I don't need the certification to feel better about this wonderful unit. However, I am curious what would be the approximate increase in price. Are we talking $50 or less or greater than $100 per unit? I ge the sense its on the higher side . . Regardless, my default answer would be nay on the THX certification. Just my two cents.
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Post by RSavage on Nov 14, 2009 10:04:54 GMT -5
I'd like to hear from more of you regarding THX certification. Totally meaningless to me.....have you SEEN some of the garbage wearing the THX tag these days? Thanks Dan....the XMC mkII looks GREAT ! R
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Post by aarheadc on Nov 14, 2009 10:19:27 GMT -5
The HDMI video section of the XMC-1 along with having two outputs will have a "hardware bypass" mode. This allows the video to be completely routed around the Torino for those who want to use external scaling or just want absolutely NO signal processing from in to out, or even the chance of it. Just curious, will this mean bypass of the signal whenever the XMC-1 is off as well, or will you have to have the XMC-1 on in order for the signal to pass through? Thanks! AarheadC
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2009 10:22:53 GMT -5
the 'Nays' have it . . . . [racous cheering] So, what will happen to our heroes next? - Will Lonnie defeat the evil Dr. Doofenshmirtz at the poker table?
- Will DannG slip on a banana peel and wake up a Mormon?
- Will Bigred hug his bucket and pass out tonight?
- Will Dyohn end the tyranny of the trolling opinionated?
Stay tuned, dear reader . . .stay tuned
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Post by jason1976 on Nov 14, 2009 10:23:11 GMT -5
Dan,
I gotta say this is way cool and beyond what most manufacturers would be willing to do. You guys might want to setup a poll to keep some order to the madness.
As far as THX, my vote would be no at a cost increase. I just don't see enough value in it and feel its relevancy to performance has diminished over the years. Especially with all the new eq systems and capabilities. The only item you couldn't perform with an eq is the surround decorrelation, which I have never noticed much difference with in past products I've owned.
As long as it is "Emo" approved, I don't see the need for any other "performance" certifications.
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Post by gmeyer on Nov 14, 2009 10:23:13 GMT -5
I vote for the knob -which it sounds like it is going to have and no THX certification if it will raise the price.
Thanks, Greg
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Post by jimbailey on Nov 14, 2009 10:25:10 GMT -5
THX certification is no big deal to me, but it may help sell the unit to those who look for it. How expensive (per unit) is it, and how long does it take?
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Post by a2058 on Nov 14, 2009 10:33:00 GMT -5
I don't think THX is that big a deal, especially if it adds to the cost. But DSD support, I'd willing to pay more for...
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Post by db029936 on Nov 14, 2009 10:33:15 GMT -5
Knob, no to Tom Holman
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