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Post by littlesaint on Mar 17, 2010 10:33:50 GMT -5
yeah but is it plugged in through a UMC-1 littlesaint if yes lets figure this out together. Are you willing to open yours up and take pictures of the "logic board" arghh "it's called a motherboard you macheads!" ROTFL If you both have intel GMA950 units take pictures and compare the motherboards. I'm willing to put money on it they are different revisions. If I'm wrong then it's obviously a software issue. Littlesaint did you do a fresh install of OS X and what version are you using? Compare versions guys... If they are the same version of the OS then it must be a software/driver issue. Littlesaint are you working off of a fresh OS X install using your current version? IE did you install off of a DVD of the build you are using? Otherguy... Is your current OS X version a patched install? IE did you go from say 10.3 to 10.6 via patching the OS X along the way? If so format the drive and reinstall OS X via DVD using 10.5/6 ISO. They use update and make sure everything is latest including the video driver. Then bring it over to your UMC-1 and try! It just works. The variable is the UMC-1, which clearly has issues. |
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Post by solidstate on Mar 17, 2010 10:42:10 GMT -5
the logicboard joke was not directed particularly at you littlesaint!!!
Get over yourself already! (nice move to remove the assh0le comment)
If you were a real tech/nerd you'd have laughed at that comment and understood it wasn't directed at you.
Let's be productive and try to figure out the issue. Does anyone have a mac mini running through a UMC-1 that's working properly and if so we need to know your hardware revision and software OS X build version and the video driver version you're using.
That would be of more help that calling people a*holes IMHO
I'll repeat my question of you littlesaint.
Do you have a mac mini running through UMC-1 working properly?
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Post by solidstate on Mar 17, 2010 10:48:30 GMT -5
I have a MacBook with the Intel chipset and have absolutely no issues running video using DVI->HDMI. Considering where in the thread this comment was made... Are you saying you have it working through UMC-1 ? This is a vague comment intended to poo poo my comments I figure as it's clearly not constructive... no ratmice? I personally feel asking what hardware/software versions/builds one is using that's having issue is constructive. And you two (littlesaint and ratmice) what do you two have to contribute to helping this fellow out with his problems? Please don't rain on my parade today as I just took shipment of a UMC-1 and 7 UPA-1s and my DIY speaker build is also starting this week/today. I have a coffee in hand... it's an early morning on the west coast and I'm feeling great... login try to make a joke and help people and before I know it you two jerkoffs have put me in a bad mood. THANKS! |
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Post by tkr on Mar 17, 2010 11:17:22 GMT -5
Attempting to get this back on track...
1) I'd love to hear from anyone who's got a MacMini (Intel, Snow Leopard, 2GB, oldish (2007?)) driving 1080P to properly sync through a UMC-1
2) I'll try connecting a Fall 2008 MacBook Pro's DVI out through this same chain, and report back
3) I'll set the MacMini to differing output rez's to see if there's a lower rez opportunity that works (altho not desired)
4) I'll switchRezX experiement with timings @ 1080P
I'll note (again), this MacMini (with or w/o EDID cloner) drives a Sharp display directly perfectly, every time. The introduction of the UMC-1 in the chain (and bad results) is what started this thread.
I'll also note that Lonnie (in Dan's official "The definitive UMC-1 status page from Big Dan" thread) makes reference to: "Video Enhancements for DVI support", which piqued my interest. Anyone know what issue might be addressed in this anticipated patch to the next firmware release?
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Post by solidstate on Mar 17, 2010 11:31:31 GMT -5
Well tkr considering there is nothing you can do if it is the UMC-1 and it's a known issue being address via firmware update I'd just connect directly to TV for the time being until firmware release.
In the mean time though it's worth noting what hardware version of the mac mini you have and what OS version and how you got to said version IE the patch method and how many OS X patching from versions/builds did you do? I've personally seen screwy OS X installs that were patched along the way for 4 builds. It results in a system that's not optimal I guess as reinstalled from .5 ISO resulted in a system that didn't experience the issues and ran much smoother and faster. I'm no OS X expert but it's bloody obvious to me and any nerd that patching in excess of three builds will result in an install that's not exactly the same as a fresh install and will not perform as well and could manifest various issues. I'm not saying this is the case with your system tkr but I do wonder how you managed to get your older GMA950 mac mini to snow leopard.
The video enhancements Dan spoke of might just be related to colour space and not your issues.
Like I said earlier the GMA950 is a nightmare in a HDMI repeater chain. Sorry man but it's a fact.
PS and if you think apple will ever work on a driver/software hack/fix to make it work properly your DREAMING... (this is done via video BIOS/EMI/SMC firmware updating)
They want you to buy the newer unit with HDMI out on it! It's not in their best interests to fix it and they never will. That unit is EOL as far as apple is concerned working on a BIOS/openfirmware to fix it is not cost affective even though many Taiwanese vendors of PC mothers board did just that.
Wait to intel mac minis use openfirmware?
hmm... any updates to the firmware on GMA950 mac minis?
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Post by solidstate on Mar 17, 2010 11:40:37 GMT -5
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Post by solidstate on Mar 17, 2010 12:22:45 GMT -5
I wan't to say "bingo!" but not 100% certain this will help you mac mini users out there. I know the problem with GMA950 was fixed via video BIOS software hack on PCs I dunno what apple did to address issues but this info is worth noting for macheads. support.apple.com/kb/HT3706support.apple.com/kb/HT1237support.apple.com/kb/HT3706Do you apple users ever update your motherboard bios? correction... do you macheads ever update your logic board EFI firmware and SMC firmware or ever reset your PRAM/NVRAM ? LOL support.apple.com/kb/HT1379Apple has a very bad history of documenting their bugs/issues and for the most part do not make it public like ever other OS out there so a lot of it is speculation. I'd make sure you have the latest EMI and SMC Firmware for your older mac minis as it might fix your DVI to HDMI issues. Also I'd do a fresh install of OS X using the latest build ISO and not using a boxed disk or recovery partitions then updating/patching it to to latest build. Fresh latest/last EMI/SMC with a fresh 10.5 ISO install might do the trick! Just my two cents... hope it helps!  more stuff about it discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?threadID=2006411&start=0&tstart=0theappleblog.com/2009/05/15/how-to-fix-os-x-10-5-7-dvi-hdmi-screen-resolution-issues/MONSTER thread on it! but they are talking leopard not snow... discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?threadID=2004318&tstart=0PS I thought "It just works." was life on an apple. Man you read around and it's obvious they have many many issues they are just not made public and the userbase is full of Luddites so a lot of it is simply unknown by the public at large. PSS I wondn't fart around and buy that HDMI EDID fix dongle etc. Just liquidate that old mac mini on ebay and buy the newer model with HDMI out on it with 9400m. You'll save time and hassles and perhaps even money going that route. |
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Post by ratmice on Mar 17, 2010 13:01:54 GMT -5
I have a MacBook with the Intel chipset and have absolutely no issues running video using DVI->HDMI. Considering where in the thread this comment was made... Are you saying you have it working through UMC-1 ? This is a vague comment intended to poo poo my comments I figure as it's clearly not constructive... no ratmice? I personally feel asking what hardware/software versions/builds one is using that's having issue is constructive. And you two (littlesaint and ratmice) what do you two have to contribute to helping this fellow out with his problems? Please don't rain on my parade today as I just took shipment of a UMC-1 and 7 UPA-1s and my DIY speaker build is also starting this week/today. I have a coffee in hand... it's an early morning on the west coast and I'm feeling great... login try to make a joke and help people and before I know it you two jerkoffs have put me in a bad mood. THANKS! I have been properly chastised, I will now flog myself into submission.  Really, you didn't attempt to offer anything helpful up to the point I made my initial comment. However, once on track you do have some interesting info, but you make it hard to see that sometimes. |
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Post by solidstate on Mar 17, 2010 13:16:23 GMT -5
NOWAY ratmice!!! Dude you couldn't rain on my parade! and this is why!!!   It's amazing!!! The UPA-1 has an aura!!! |
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Post by ratmice on Mar 17, 2010 13:23:20 GMT -5
NOWAY ratmice!!! Dude you couldn't rain on my parade!  Not trying to rain on anything. Thanks for playing. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2010 13:25:55 GMT -5
 We are trying to get back to the friendly and civil forum that the Emotiva Lounge was in the past and a big reason many of us decided to make this a our home. I hope will not be necessary in future threads to pick out specific members for less than respectful and constructive posts. This thread was going along just fine until the insertion of some rather negative and sarcastic posts. Please don't cover over less than positive posts by later saying it was just a joke. Humor is great, as long it is not meant as a subtle attack on other posters or the content of their posts, even if they are not as knowledgeable as you. Thanks for taking a short break here to remember to keep it positive and polite. ;D ;D ;D |
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Post by littlesaint on Mar 17, 2010 13:33:13 GMT -5
I do not own a UMC-1. I run my Mac though my Yamaha AVR. The point is it works fine there. It worked fine through the Onkyo I had prior. If there were a problem inherent to the Mac implementation, I would find it hard to believe it would work fine on those 2 mid-range AVRs. So, from what I can see, the issue is with the UMC-1 which given it's other HDMI difficulties, isn't much of an assumption. If you read Lonnie's latest post about the next firmware update, he states there are fixes for HDCP difficulties and DVI support, so clearly there are issues.
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Post by solidstate on Mar 17, 2010 13:44:44 GMT -5
I do not own a UMC-1. I run my Mac though my Yamaha AVR. The point is it works fine there. It worked fine through the Onkyo I had prior. If there were a problem inherent to the Mac implementation, I would find it hard to believe it would work fine on those 2 mid-range AVRs. So, from what I can see, the issue is with the UMC-1 which given it's other HDMI difficulties, isn't much of an assumption. If you read Lonnie's latest post about the next firmware update, he states there are fixes for HDCP difficulties and DVI support, so clearly there are issues. That's great!!! Mind if I ask what EMI/SMC firmware you're using, what os versions and video driver etc. This could help many many people with issues. And also the model of TV and it's firmware version. |
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Post by vincedog3 on Mar 17, 2010 13:59:17 GMT -5
PSS I wondn't fart around and buy that HDMI EDID fix dongle etc. Just liquidate that old mac mini on ebay and buy the newer model with HDMI out on it with 9400m. You'll save time and hassles and perhaps even money going that route. Kind of curious. Saw on the Website that it still has the Mini DVI support, but does have the 9400m as indicated. Hmm.
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Post by solidstate on Mar 17, 2010 14:09:57 GMT -5
PSS I wondn't fart around and buy that HDMI EDID fix dongle etc. Just liquidate that old mac mini on ebay and buy the newer model with HDMI out on it with 9400m. You'll save time and hassles and perhaps even money going that route. Kind of curious. Saw on the Website that it still has the Mini DVI support, but does have the 9400m as indicated. Hmm. I stand corrected it's displayport to HDMI people are using for single video/audio interconnect solution as I believe the official apple adapter doesn't offer audio but third party solutions do via TOSlink from headphone jack looped into the DP to HDMI adapter. Not certain but I believe this is the case. Sorry for my confusion/memory with the AppleTV and it's HDMI out. I wonder if Apple will even be able to use the newer MCP89 as I believe the Intel nVidia legal battles are preventing this from happening. I really feel for mac users if this forces apple to use Intel chipsets for video using the new i based cores. This will only affect machines with embedded chipset graphics. The future sure isn't bright for the mac mini in terms of it's graphics solution  though it does look like they will offer a revision to the current motherboard to offer HDMI out. Many PC motherboard have used the HDMI ability of the MCP79. So basically apple will just simply change the motherboard to support HDMI using the exact same chipset, processor and everything. All the apple users will start ranting about how great the new mini is with it's HDMI when in reality it's the same exact hardware with simply an option apple had to choice HDMI or displayport. They went displayport because it allows the use of TDMS/HDMI/DVI technology ROYALTY FREE!!! The reason you guys don't have HDMI on the 09 mini is because apple was two cheap to pay what amounts to prob under TEN BUCKS for the header and the royalty payment Only after much complaint and issues have they moved in this direction to offer this output bus on a motherboard chipset that has had it from the beginning. Pathetic IMHO as an apple hater LOL |
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Post by solidstate on Mar 17, 2010 14:46:23 GMT -5
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DisplayPortI stand corrected again! HDMI is 4 cents per unit royalty payment and an annual fee of 10000 dollars. Mac mini users simply don't have HDMI out on their 07/09 mini because apple wouldn't pay 4 cents and the ten grand annual and perhaps another buck or two for the physical header and motherboard traces to link audio. Yup they really care about their users! But hey the apple fanboys will proclaim from the rooftops how great apple is when they ship the same product with an HDMI header this summer... What a friggin joke! Intel and Apple are really antitrust evil companies if you are aware of their history and the recent the MCP89/99 lawsuit and the ones apple are preparing using their vague patents on touch screen handheld devices. It's PURE EVIL! (I wonder what patent officer apple greased to get those ridiculous patents on the iPhone etc) This might actually shut down HTC and others... it's a horrible suit brewing there and I expect Apple's behavior regarding it to be abhorrent as par usual. Intel and Apple are the worst of the worst when it comes to antitrust lawsuits et al. One of the many reasons I hate both companies and purchase zero product from them directly or indirectly. blogs.zdnet.com/BTL/?p=31565I personally could never support and company that behaves in that manor.
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Post by littlesaint on Mar 17, 2010 15:06:28 GMT -5
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DisplayPortI stand corrected again! HDMI is 4 cents per unit royalty payment and an annual fee of 10000 dollars. Mac mini users simply don't have HDMI out on their 07/09 mini because apple wouldn't pay 4 cents and the ten grand annual and perhaps another buck or two for the physical header and motherboard traces to link audio. Yup they really care about their users! But hey the apple fanboys will proclaim from the rooftops how great apple is when they ship the same product with an HDMI header this summer... What a friggin joke! PS Intel and Apple are really antitrust evil companies if you are aware of their history and the recent the MCP89/99 lawsuit and the ones apple are preparing using their vague patents on touch screen handheld devices. It's PURE EVIL! (I wonder what patent officer apple greased to get those ridiculous patents on the iPhone etc) This might actually shut down HTC and others... it's a horrible suit brewing there and I expect Apple's behavior regarding it to be abhorrent as par usual. Intel and Apple are the worst of the worst when it comes to antitrust lawsuits et al. One of the many reasons I hate both companies and purchase zero product from them directly or indirectly. Are you done?  |
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Post by solidstate on Mar 17, 2010 15:10:10 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2010 15:34:19 GMT -5
Please, no more name calling. Jerk*ffs, a**holes, etc., there is no place for these personal attacks. These type of posts will simply be deleted in the future. Fair warning.
If you got up on the wrong side of the bed please wait until you feel in a more friendly mood before you decide to come here and take it out on others.
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Post by littlesaint on Mar 17, 2010 15:51:10 GMT -5
Please, no more name calling. Jerk*ffs, a**holes, etc., there is no place for these personal attacks. These type of posts will simply be deleted in the future. Fair warning. If you got up on the wrong side of the bed please wait until you feel in a more friendly mood before you decide to come here and take it out on others. Thanks Is it too much to ask that moderators keep this thread on topic instead of a stupid rant against Apple. |
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though it does look like they will offer a revision to the current motherboard to offer HDMI out. Many PC motherboard have used the HDMI ability of the MCP79. So basically apple will just simply change the motherboard to support HDMI using the exact same chipset, processor and everything. All the apple users will start ranting about how great the new mini is with it's HDMI when in reality it's the same exact hardware with simply an option apple had to choice HDMI or displayport. They went displayport because it allows the use of TDMS/HDMI/DVI technology ROYALTY FREE!!!
