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Post by billmac on Mar 12, 2010 22:30:37 GMT -5
Heck... I did not even think to try the master volume. When I was messing with mine, I just kept going back in forth out of the menu until I got it correct.  Actually it was Monkumonku in post #11 in this thread that suggests using the master volume  . I think the reason the setup menu gets kicked out when using the remotes volume control is the volume level shows on the OSD. So my guess is the UMC-1 can not display two items on the OSD so the volume level display displaces the setup menu on the OSD. Seeing that the master volume knob does not move when the remote volume is used I'm guessing the volume OSD does not come up on the display when using the master volume. I will have to try this tomorrow when I recalibrate at high noon ;D. Bill |
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Post by ratmice on Mar 12, 2010 23:45:46 GMT -5
I can confirm that using the master volume will not knock you out of the menu, but, and this is a big but, when you are in the speaker level calibration screen it does NOT change the master volume, it changes the TRIM LEVEL for the currently chosen speaker. So currently there is no way to alter the test tone volume while in the calibration menu.  I find using 37.5 to be a good level with the new power plant. I guess the easiest strategy at this time is to just play the test tone, set the front left speaker to zero trim, read the SPL level you get (whatever it is for your given volume) and trim all the other speakers to that value (not necessarily 75 dB as usual). I'll try it again tomorrow at noon. |
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Post by roadrunner on Mar 13, 2010 3:40:50 GMT -5
I can easily see why some people feel this method of setting the speakers up needs clarification, but I can also see why others feel that spending so much time pointing out that it is different from what they were expecting is akin to "splitting frog hairs". The methodology that Emotiva chose to employ just happens to dove tail with the way I have always performed manual calibrations.
I was surprised that no one has pointed out that Lonnie briefly indirectly addressed this issue when he pointed out that the way he calibrated he own system was to use the SPL meter to set the speakers at 12 dB above the room's ambient sound level. In his discussion, Lonnie pointed out that you use the master volume knob to set the UMC-1's test tone volume level when preparing to perform the calibration.
Until I saw so many people posting about being confused I would never have considered this as anything beyond offering the user the flexibility to use whatever "reference point" that suited them. I guess offering too many options can lead to confusion. ;D At this point, it has become apparent that the manual needs to spend time explaining the usage of its many options. It will be interesting to see how the "official User's Manual" addresses this topic.
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Post by Stevens on Mar 13, 2010 3:55:32 GMT -5
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Post by moe on Mar 13, 2010 8:44:19 GMT -5
OK,now I get it....you guys.....you really had me thinkin' you were serious about this whole calibration volume thing.Good one.
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Post by billmac on Mar 13, 2010 9:40:54 GMT -5
. Yes it does need clarification as from what I read many UMC-1 owners previously owned AVR/prepros that had fixed volume level test tones for speaker calibration. If you think there has been too much time in this thread discussing it don't bother reading the thread, quite simple  . Just because the way Emotiva implemented the calibration process dovetails into the way you are accustomed to doing this does not mean it is the same for other UMC-1 owners. Here again is a post basically saying that discussing a topic such as this is a waste of time. Which is also a way of saying what members should and should not discuss on this forum. I do recall Lonnie commenting on this but not everyone choses to calibrate their room in this way. But not all UMC-1 owners visit the forum or if they do they might of missed that post. For some here that are not tweakers (myself included) prefer to have a rather less time consuming method of doing speaker level calibrations. Maybe in your opinion it is offering user flexability which it very well may but at least mention this in the UMC-1s manual. It does lead to confusion as many have posted here. Maybe your intelligence is at a much higher level then some here but when the basics are not covered in the manual then it leads to confusion (not for you of course ). Many of us can not spend as much time on the phone with Emotiva as do you do discussing this and that as you seem to do. The bottom line here is quite obvious that you are one of Emotiva's biggest supporters (notice I did not use the FB term ;D) and you quite frequently make posts like the one I am quoting. I see people here called Trolls because they bring up the negative sides of an Emotiva product. Well I see the same from you just in reverse . I would appreciate it in the future if you do not have anything constuctive to add to a specific thread or if you do not like the content then please just scroll on by . I think many members here myself included see posts from some members that might not seem relevant on a specific topic. But most here are respectful and do not feel the need to voice their opinion that the topic is a waste of the forums time or of no value. If the member posted it then it is important to them IMO. So I think you also need to show that same respect to the members in this thread as you are saying it is not a topic worth discussing. I hope the Mods do not lock this thread because of my response to your post. I feel if you can post your thoughts in the manner you did others should be able to reply to them . Other than your post and one other members posts here it has been a civil and informative discussion IMO . Bill |
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Post by billmac on Mar 13, 2010 9:45:22 GMT -5
OK,now I get it....you guys.....you really had me thinkin' you were serious about this whole calibration volume thing.Good one. Yet another informative and enlightening post ;D. As mentioned earlier if you do not like the discussion of this thread just scroll on by . Wouldn't your post be a form of ******* (a fishing term) . Moe, Larry the cheese ;D. Bill |
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Post by ratmice on Mar 13, 2010 9:55:10 GMT -5
[quote author=ratmice board=preamps thread=10149 post=155439 time=1268455546 ]I can confirm that using the master volume will not knock you out of the menu, but, and this is a big but, when you are in the speaker level calibration screen it does NOT change the master volume, it changes the TRIM LEVEL for the currently chosen speaker. So currently there is no way to alter the test tone volume while in the calibration menu. [/quote] Hmmm...nothing to say about this? In a system that uses volume dependent test tones, shouldn't there be a way of changing the volume when in the calibration screen? Now, don't take this as an attack against Emotiva, just pointing out a quirk in the system and a place where the units' operation can be improved to be more user friendly. Oh, and the posts in this thread are NOT about "being confused" they are about discussing the way this unit works. The posters here perfectly well understand the calibration process, and how thid unit works, and we are just pointing out that there is room for confusion. If you can't see that, maybe this quote from a confused user will demonstrate it: I tried to set the individual levels to 75db's with my Iphone spl meter app but the +10 didn't get it high enough. When I have the umc1 in this setup page does it have a reference level to start at? or am I doing this wrong? Does that clear up your confusion about why we're discussing this? Peoples expectations can be different. |
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Post by moe on Mar 13, 2010 12:06:51 GMT -5
I had a friend compare his iphone to my ratshack meter,he got a different reading every time,I got the same everytime.I see no problem explaining it in the manual,good idea,they'll likely include it.You guys really should not take/make everything so personal.
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Post by RayoVac on Mar 13, 2010 12:33:45 GMT -5
Well.... I guess just ignoring all the BS posts that don't add any value for those of us discussing a legitimate issue on a processor that does NOT have properly working Auto Room EQ, that absolutely requires a Manual Process if you are going to get it sounding anywhere close to what it should.
Maybe many take for granted the supposed "Ease" of volume dependent settings... and how "flexible" they are to the custom installer, audio pro etc. What we are saying... OUR collective experience has shown Emo's way of implementing this process to be ambiguous and tiresome to employ. Thus we are trying to figure out the BEST and easiest way to achieve the manual calibration, being able to obtain repeatable results.
All that being said, hopefully this is something they will address in the coming FW update, so all those that are irritated by are ramblings can move on to something else.
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Post by roadrunner on Mar 13, 2010 13:33:16 GMT -5
Bill
Why would you so misunderstand the point of my post? I was NOT chastising anyone for posting about their concerns with the way Emotiva chose to implement this feature. Was it because I said I could see why both sides of the discussion would feel the way that they do? Are you against reading that other Lounge members may have just as valid reasons for their opinions as you have for yours? I did not take sides with either group... I simply said I understood why the issue could be viewed differently depending on one's experiences.
Unlike you, I did no name calling (veiled or not) nor did I tell anyone how they should think; and I did not tell anyone that if their opinions differed from my own that they should not post on this forum. It seems you practice the tactics that you tell others not to. You said that people should not tell you what you should post or how you should post it. Isn't that exactly what you just did in responding to me?
If you had bothered to read my post and taken its message in its entirety you would have seen that I agreed with those saying that this feature needed to be better documented. For some reason, it seems to bother you whenever I see something with a balanced eye. There are always going to be alternate views. What is so bad about acknowledging all views? As you frequently point out, this board is for discussing all sides of an issue. That is exactly what I did. I did not choose sides nor did I put anyone down for posting their views.
The closest I came to "taking sides" was when I corrected the member who said that no one from Emotiva had ever mentioned using the Master Volume control in doing the manual calibration. This is the main reason why I pointed out that Lonnie had touched upon this issue. I know that a lot of people likely missed seeing his post and that was the other reason I brought up Lonnie's discussion of setting up his personal system by setting the reference point 12 dB above room ambience..
Even after posting I had not thought of this as being an issue before reading all the posts I noted that I saw where it could cause problems for many people and thought that Emotiva needed to make sure they adequately documented it when the "Official Manual" is released. What, you don't like hearing I agreed with all of you? You need to stop taking posts out of context, chopping them up and adding narration to change the intended meaning. The people on this board are intelligent enough to read my posts and make their own conclusions. Your habit of "policing" my posts is not needed... we have monitors for that.
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Post by Woodpecker on Mar 13, 2010 17:40:44 GMT -5
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Post by ratmice on Mar 13, 2010 20:24:21 GMT -5
I had a friend compare his iphone to my ratshack meter,he got a different reading every time,I got the same everytime.I see no problem explaining it in the manual,good idea,they'll likely include it.You guys really should not take/make everything so personal. There is also a version of software for the iPhone, called iAudiointerface I think, that has a microphone preamp, calibrated microphone, and a very comprehensive software suite. It's also quite a bit more than 0.99. They definitely will have to explain it in the manual, as well as have a way to change the master volume while in the level calibration screen. That's the only way it'l make sense to the masses. |
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Post by billmac on Mar 13, 2010 20:52:57 GMT -5
I tried earlier today to adjust the UMC-1s volume with volume control knob with the level calibration menu up and it changed the speakers level value not the main volume. This was mentioned earlier as well so it seems like this could be with all UMC-1s. I find it odd that the main volume control knob would adjust the speaker levels value and not the master volume.
Not a big deal as now I know that with the main volume set at 34 I get 75 dB on my LCR with very little adjustment. I think tomorrow I will bring up some of the other menu items and see what happens when the volume knob is moved.
Bill
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Post by Woodpecker on Mar 14, 2010 9:15:20 GMT -5
I had a friend compare his iphone to my ratshack meter,he got a different reading every time,I got the same everytime.I see no problem explaining it in the manual,good idea,they'll likely include it.You guys really should not take/make everything so personal. There is also a version of software for the iPhone, called iAudiointerface I think, that has a microphone preamp, calibrated microphone, and a very comprehensive software suite. It's also quite a bit more than 0.99. They definitely will have to explain it in the manual, as well as have a way to change the master volume while in the level calibration screen. That's the only way it'l make sense to the masses. I've found that the iphone db meter app is only accurate within certain frequencies. Anything at a really low or high hz, it cannot read due to the built in mic limitations. Bass frequencies in particular. It does work really well with the frequency range of the UMC test tones. I get the same reading everytime. I cannot remember the software company name, but as Ratmice stated above, they have a really nice suite of software with an external mic. Supposedly the RTA function works very well too. |
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Post by ratmice on Mar 14, 2010 9:26:06 GMT -5
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Post by ratmice on Mar 16, 2010 9:55:15 GMT -5
A little more reading on the site leaves us with this bad news:
"iAudioInterface is not compatible with iPad. We cannot say more now, but we are certain that it will not work on iPad, now or in the future. "
Oh, well.
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. I think the reason the setup menu gets kicked out when using the remotes volume control is the volume level shows on the OSD. So my guess is the UMC-1 can not display two items on the OSD so the volume level display displaces the setup menu on the OSD. 
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