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Post by sbavnut on Mar 12, 2010 12:58:25 GMT -5
Outlaw is using this whole 3D thing as "spin", to offset the catastrophe of their canceled pre-pro. 3D has nothing to do with it. The problem is solely a failed technology. They would have loved to come out with an HDMI 1.3 pre-pro now but if they're going to wait to develop a 3D capable one, it's probably going to be a year away. Hell, they would have been thrilled to have a HDMI 1.1 processor in 2008... (same with Emotiva). What is interesting is the outpouring of support at their site regarding this decision. All hell will break loose here IF Emo announces that they won't release the XMC-1 until early 2011 as they intend to add HDMI 1.4 support. What happened to ALL the "forum tigers"? ;D |
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Post by sbavnut on Mar 12, 2010 13:25:20 GMT -5
that is what i had thought, but, with panasonic releasing their new display this month, it seems to be here now. from what i have read so far(about 20 minutes of research only admitedly)it isn't necessarily the spec of the hdmi, 1.3, 1.3a, 1.4, ETC, but the actual processing power or specific 3-D and HD audio feature of the pre-pro or receiver. really, though, the new release pakg from panny comes with a blu-ray 3-D player which i'm sure has 2 HDMI's. 1 i could run to the processor and 1 to the display, but i love my PS3... Correct - there will probably be more 3D BR players released with 2 HDMI outs - one 1.3 to pre-pro/receiver and one 1.4 to display (yes, it will require an additional cable and the set up will be a bit more complicated). |
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Post by ntrain42 on Mar 12, 2010 14:51:27 GMT -5
Personally I hope the XMC does have 1.4 spec thruput. I dont see it being a big deal or hassle to have that tossed into the final production unit..............
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Post by jdskycaster on Mar 12, 2010 15:05:41 GMT -5
Received and email from Outlaw stating that they canceled the 997. However they are coming out with the 998 sometime this year that has multiple 3d 1.4 HDMI jacks and the mighty USB port for quick software updates. Personally not a big fan of 3D movies. Received the same note as well. I will not be holding my breath waiting for a 998 with 3d yet this year. I will just enjoy the UMC-1 while the 3d battle rages on for a good while. I still need to upgrade my PJ to 1080p but will not until my bulb expires in about 2 years. By then I can assess the situation. Me thinks 3D 1080p projectors with good lumens and blacks will be very pricey yet so most likely no 3D in my HT for quite some time. Maybe the 3D capable UMC-2 or 3 will be rockin' by then:) |
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Post by bd52 on Mar 12, 2010 15:43:08 GMT -5
It's my personal opinion that the XMC-1 will have the 1.4 spec thruput. It will have to have it. 3D is not three to five
years away, it is three to five months away! Samsung is selling 3D sets right now. Just go to avs forums in the tv section and you will see. In the next month or so Samsung is selling a kit which includes a 3d blu-ray player, a 3d tv, two pair of 3d glasses and a Disney 3d movie (Alice in Wonderland I think). Panasonic is also going to sell a 3d kit right away.
All mid and hi range tvs from Samsung, Vizio, and Panasonic sold this year are 3d. The reason this is happening so fast is that 3d is not a new technology, it is a continuation of the current technology. As soon as you have 480 htz, you can do 3d. 240 htz for each eye I think. Tvs started with 60 htz, then went to 120, then 240 and now 480 and presto, they are 3d capable. This is of course a gross oversimplification, but basically this is what is happening.
Also, I don't know if this 3d tech will be accepted by the consumer, but it really doesn't matter because everything will be 3d capable whether we use it or not.
But the thing is, Emotiva is going to have to have 1.4 just to keep up with home theater tech.
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Post by sbavnut on Mar 12, 2010 15:45:37 GMT -5
I have been using the proj approx. 400 hours/year, so I easily have 2 years left on the bulb (will throw the proj away when the bulb goes...). So, for me, 3D in the basement is at least 2 years away. Now, the other room could use a newer TV.... hmmm...  |
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Post by bfisher on Mar 12, 2010 16:29:13 GMT -5
bah humbug about 3D. Personally, I don't see it. I think it's marketing pushing this one... not the consumer. DVD, Blu Ray, DVRs... those the consumer wanted (at least those with a basic understanding of them).
How many people really want to deal with replacing their systems and forcing everyone to wear special glasses to watch a handful of movies?
Unfortunately I think the manufacturers are setting themselves up for a fall with this one. Hopefully they didn't spend millions in R&D because I think it will take a long long time for them to recoup those dollars.
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Post by wonderment on Mar 12, 2010 16:46:30 GMT -5
I agree with BFisher.
If someone gave me a brand new 3D set, I wouldn't be interested. I already wear one set of glasses and have absolutely no desire to wear two. Just not at all interested in this new push. I see where they are trying to hook up glasses makers to make "fashionable" new 3D frames, too.
Give me a break and more HD channels.
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Post by regulator on Mar 12, 2010 16:54:13 GMT -5
bah humbug about 3D. Personally, I don't see it. I think it's marketing pushing this one... not the consumer. DVD, Blu Ray, DVRs... those the consumer wanted (at least those with a basic understanding of them). How many people really want to deal with replacing their systems and forcing everyone to wear special glasses to watch a handful of movies? Unfortunately I think the manufacturers are setting themselves up for a fall with this one. Hopefully they didn't spend millions in R&D because I think it will take a long long time for them to recoup those dollars. I don't know about that. Avatar, Alice, and all these new movies with 3-D are extremely popular. They make huge amounts of money. I think that is the driving force behind its growth. Studios and electronic makers are trying to find that thing which will make them very profitable. It seems like 3-D may be it. I think it will be much more popular with the younger crowd or with people who have kids. It makes me wonder how people responded to HD when it first came out. How many wrote it off as a gimmick, or not necessary? I think the masses will eventually embrace this. Personally I cannot wait for the Hologram technology to take off. ;D |
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Post by flamingeye on Mar 12, 2010 16:59:11 GMT -5
Personally I hope the XMC does have 1.4 spec thruput. I dont see it being a big deal or hassle to have that tossed into the final production unit.............. +1 |
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Post by tornado on Mar 12, 2010 18:57:06 GMT -5
Well, I basically have no system to speak of, but planned to start buying this year. With a kid that loves to watch cartoons, and with the necessity to start with a good jump start on the technology, then it is really hard to simply ignore 3D. I can't simply upgrade like most of you guys, so I'm going to buy a TV that can display 3D. Then I'm going to buy a PS3 before buying an AVR or pre/pro/amp that can handle it. If any of these is not capable of handling the technology of the others, then I'm wasting my money with it. I can understand why most of you will not want to upgrade, but for the average joe that has kids and is simply getting ready to get another TV or AVR to replace their worn out Sanyo then simply buying the newest technology only makes sense. Plain and simple, I'm not going to buy anything that I know will not display or process the newest technology/ ie 3D. I don't upgrade, I replace, so it only makes sense to go for it if I'm buying. I really want to buy Emotiva, but this is a deal breaker for me. Sorry guys. Put it in the XMC or a revision of the UMC and you may have a deal. Of course, Emotiva seems to be geared more towards the people that want the simple basics. If you want people like myself that is new to the game or that doesn't hear or see the minor differences that all of you claim, then bells, whistles, and advanced functionality are where it's at, and I haven't seen any of that here. I'm really big on customer service, so that is why I am so drawn towards Emotiva, but I really wish that they'd make me feel like I would get more functionality than an extremely stripped down AVR with simply more power than I need. Just my opinion. I've been snooping around for a long time but never posted. This is the first time that I've really felt the importance to comment. Sorry for getting off topic. Yes I read the email. |
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Post by julien on Mar 12, 2010 19:30:24 GMT -5
UMC-1 has a HDMI 1.3. HDMI 1.3 can do 3D, but it will only be represented in 1080i and not 1080p. While this may work for satellite it won't for BD. BD will use 2 full 1920x1080 sequential images separated by 45 pixels of blanking. So you must be able to pass and receive a 1920x2205 frame and this requires HDMI 1.4. So there is no way to view a BD in full HD 3D without HDMI 1.4. |
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Post by bd52 on Mar 12, 2010 19:37:51 GMT -5
I think tornado made my point. The XMC-1 will be 3d capable. It will have to be. Almost every tv purchased from now on will be 3d capable and without 1.4 the XMC-1 will be an instant dinosaur. There is not a chance in the world I would buy an XMC-1 without 1.4 if I owned a 3d capable tv. Even if I never used the 3d!
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Post by kellys on Mar 12, 2010 19:53:48 GMT -5
Seems like this thread is getting quite a ways off topic... I can add to that too...
I saw the Panasonic 3D display at the Olympics. They had some pretty cool toys there. There was a professional 3D video camera with a live feed to a 50" 3D display. The experience was pretty amazing. It was more like looking in a mirror than anything I have experienced before. They also had a theater room set up with a 103" 3D Plasma Display where they showed a 15 minute film clip of Olympic highlights. That was really cool too.
The only issue with the new technology is the glasses. I saw that some of them started to flicker, i.e. you can see the shutter action of the glasses. Plus since I already wear glasses, they are not the most comfortable to wear.
Anyways, the home technology is pretty cool. That and the fact that Avatar has rocketed to being the highest grossing movie of all time are going to drive 3D products into the market and consumer acceptance. 3D may actually help Blu-ray in general.
Regardless though, I want the XMC-1 released without HDMI 1.4 and 3D support. I just want the product on the market.
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Post by klinemj on Mar 12, 2010 22:33:57 GMT -5
Count me in for the holodeck...but not 3D TV if it means wearing glasses on top of my glasses.
As one blind as a bat human, I hate glasses on top of glasses...in 3D movies of today or in labs or production environments where I have to wear safety glasses on top of my regular glasses.
It's uncomfortable and makes my corrected lens vision become blurry again.
I'd rather have 2D in focus (thanks to corrected vision glasses) than 3D out of focus...
It's hell being 20/600 without correction and also not being able to read up close...
Maybe HDMI version 20.9 might be the fix I need...with direct connection to the back of my eyeballs (it just better not lock up as I don't even want to know the reboot procedure!).
So for now...I'm fine w/HDMI 1.3 in my UMC or XMC...whichever I get.
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Post by oscartheclimber on Mar 13, 2010 0:08:06 GMT -5
I have to agree with the Outlaw decision. If a product were ready to go into production - fine, release it. But if your are still working on issues or doing R&D then add the new technology.
I've said this before - scrap the XMC-1 and bring in the XMC-2.
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Post by 2muchht on Mar 13, 2010 0:18:16 GMT -5
UMC-1 has a HDMI 1.3. HDMI 1.3 can do 3D, but it will only be represented in 1080i and not 1080p. It's not that simple. It isn't enough to pass the 3D video, but there is a type of metadata [VSIF] that must also be passed through so that the display knows which of the various flavors of 3D it is being sent. This is apart and separate from anything in the EDID. You can't have 3D without this and you can't have them without HDMI 1.4. Thus, from the full perspective, you can't do 3D with HDMI 1.3. Wish it were otherwise. |
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Post by NorthStar on Mar 13, 2010 1:01:47 GMT -5
3D is not only here NOW, but to stay too PERMANENTLY.
Saying no to it is to deprive yourself of the big technological advancement in the right direction.
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Post by markd on Mar 13, 2010 7:05:31 GMT -5
It's not that simple. It isn't enough to pass the 3D video, but there is a type of metadata [VSIF] that must also be passed through so that the display knows which of the various flavors of 3D it is being sent. This is apart and separate from anything in the EDID. You can't have 3D without this and you can't have them without HDMI 1.4. Thus, from the full perspective, you can't do 3D with HDMI 1.3. Wish it were otherwise. Sony believes otherwise- news.cnet.com/8301-17938_105-10450842-1.html |
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Post by bootman on Mar 13, 2010 7:49:47 GMT -5
UMC-1 has a HDMI 1.3. HDMI 1.3 can do 3D, but it will only be represented in 1080i and not 1080p. It's not that simple. It isn't enough to pass the 3D video, but there is a type of metadata [VSIF] that must also be passed through so that the display knows which of the various flavors of 3D it is being sent. This is apart and separate from anything in the EDID. You can't have 3D without this and you can't have them without HDMI 1.4. Thus, from the full perspective, you can't do 3D with HDMI 1.3. Wish it were otherwise. If this were true, then 3D will die a quick death. No way to force an upgrade on very HDMI gear just to watch the less than a dozen movies on bluray by xmas. Not in this economy. |
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