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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2010 14:23:02 GMT -5
3D is not only here NOW, but to stay too PERMANENTLY. Oh sure! That's what they said about snowboarding and Rap Music. (I told them neither would be around more than a couple years or so ... dial phones too). |
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Post by NorthStar on Mar 13, 2010 20:37:09 GMT -5
Dial phones are still very useful (when a power surge happens). * This feature should be included in the UMC-1, along with 3D.  |
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Post by julien on Mar 14, 2010 8:25:34 GMT -5
bah humbug about 3D. Personally, I don't see it.... How many people really want to deal with replacing their systems and forcing everyone to wear special glasses to watch a handful of movies?... ...No way to force an upgrade on very HDMI gear just to watch the less than a dozen movies on bluray by xmas. Not in this economy. You guys seem to be missing 2 important factors. 1) Not everyone bought their system at the same time you did and is on the same replacement schedule. There are always some people "in the market" for the next best product that their neighbor doesn't have to replace their older than your system. Also some are about to buy their first system and it will be 3D. 2) In all likely hood as 3D becomes a must have (even in mid to lower end systems) you will have a change of mind and upgrade sooner than had there been no change to 3D. In 3 or 4 years are you going to continue to watch you so called higher end 2D system when even J6P's new $600 Vizio TV is 3D? 3D is coming like a juggernaut and the public is so far eating it up (Avatar is proof) faster than just about any technology change before. People that still don't know what a BD is are 3D excited. Just watch TV and see all the different references to 3D, from commercials to parodies. People loved the "other" experience Avatar brought them and will be lining up this X-mas to bring that experience home. |
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Post by ratmice on Mar 14, 2010 9:19:22 GMT -5
You guys seem to be missing 2 important factors. 1) Not everyone bought their system at the same time you did and is on the same replacement schedule. There are always some people "in the market" for the next best product that their neighbor doesn't have to replace their older than your system. Also some are about to buy their first system and it will be 3D. 2) In all likely hood as 3D becomes a must have (even in mid to lower end systems) you will have a change of mind and upgrade sooner than had there been no change to 3D. In 3 or 4 years are you going to continue to watch you so called higher end 2D system when even J6P's new $600 Vizio TV is 3D? 3D is coming like a juggernaut and the public is so far eating it up (Avatar is proof) faster than just about any technology change before. People that still don't know what a BD is are 3D excited. Just watch TV and see all the different references to 3D, from commercials to parodies. People loved the "other" experience Avatar brought them and will be lining up this X-mas to bring that experience home. 1. What percentage of electronics purchasers do those two segments comprise? I think it's fairly small. 2. Who cares if the new Bulshitron 55LX has 3D, are you going to play keep up, or buy quality equipment. Also, having a 3D capable display and using it for 3D are 2 very different things. The only juggernaut is the studio/media/marketing frenzy that is being perpetrated on the public so that they can suck every last cent out of you before you realize that the emperor has no clothes. Your comments above hilight that nicely "people who don't know what BR is are excited about 3D". They loved the Avatar experience because it was a temporary, confined experience - out to the theater, cool glasses, bunch of friends, huge screen. But when your in the living room, wondering where the F*%$ you put the 3D glasses, how wonderful is that going to be. Not to mention the ensuing headaches. And what about the people that already wear glasses? Oh, right I'm sure someone will be willing to sell Rx 3D glasses. |
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Post by bfisher on Mar 14, 2010 18:32:33 GMT -5
agreed ratmice
until joe average can watch 3d material (more than a handful of movies) without another pair of glasses... I don't believe it's going to catch on. Yeah, there will be a lot of 3d tv's available... but what will people watch on them?
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Post by oscartheclimber on Mar 14, 2010 21:38:11 GMT -5
It's not that simple. It isn't enough to pass the 3D video, but there is a type of metadata [VSIF] that must also be passed through so that the display knows which of the various flavors of 3D it is being sent. This is apart and separate from anything in the EDID. You can't have 3D without this and you can't have them without HDMI 1.4. Thus, from the full perspective, you can't do 3D with HDMI 1.3. Wish it were otherwise. Sony believes otherwise- news.cnet.com/8301-17938_105-10450842-1.htmlDirecTV have also stated that through a firmware update that the HD DVRs will be able to handle 3D at 1080P. I found this interesting (http://www.bigpicturebigsound.com/CES-Do-I-Really-Need-HDMI-1-4-to-Watch-3D-HDTV.shtml) - according to Andy Parsons, Chairperson of the U.S. Promotions Committee for the Blu-ray Disc Association (BDA) "It's not required to use 1.4 as long as everything in the signal path is capable of handling the 3D payload. This means, for example, that HDMI 1.3a can be used if all components, including cables and HDMI switching devices (such as A/V receivers) are "High Speed HDMI." It's important to check with the manufacturer of any switching device to see if it complies with High Speed data rates. If not, then the 3D player's video output should be connected to the 3D display directly using High Speed HDMI cables, with audio connected to the A/V receiver via analog or other digital outputs." |
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Post by ratmice on Mar 19, 2010 7:23:35 GMT -5
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Post by aircav on Mar 19, 2010 7:35:23 GMT -5
All, I think 3D has arrived. While the content is a ways out yet the technology is here. Even Consumer Reports is raving about the quality of it in current displays and more and more sets will come out with the capability. The difference in price is less than many anticipated (me being one of the many) and the 2D quality is as good as a current high end set.
Would I buy a 3D display tomorrow? Likely not, in six months, 50/50 one year - nothing but. I believe within a year the price difference will be all but gone.
I don't care too much about the glasses. ideally no glasses but if the effect is good enough it is not a problem.
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Post by ratmice on Mar 19, 2010 8:12:48 GMT -5
I don't care too much about the glasses. ideally no glasses but if the effect is good enough it is not a problem. Have you seen a 3D movie? Do you think the effect is good enough? I'm not convinced by the faux 3D, it isn't real enough. Just one man's opinion, though. |
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Post by aircav on Mar 19, 2010 8:44:32 GMT -5
I have seen the obligatory 3D in the theater and now a demo of a 3D system and it is quite compelling. I guess all of it is "faux" 3D?
My point isn't just about the visual experience it is also about an investment in technology. Too many key suppliers are making a commitment to 3D or bringing out 3D equipment to ignore it as a trend. It is happening faster then many of us anticipated.
For example buying a computer when the shift in hard drive bus architectures was taking place, if I had really needed one, I would have purchased one with an old ATA hard disk interface, if I could have waited I would only have bought a SATA drive. More on topic, I would not buy a standard DVD player today, only a Blu-Ray unless it was for a very specific purpose like a kids room or for an old nonHD set.
I don't need a new system so I am happy to wait, hence my time table, Buy today? Iffy? Six months 50/50. One year nothing but. I don't need a new display so I can wait comfortably. However, if my display died today I would very likely buy a 3D capable set as I know it will also do a fine job of HD displays.
As far as a UMC-1 goes, I could see buying one knowing if necessary I could do a direct connect or settle for 1080i or 720P. A yet to be released XMC? Nope.
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Post by moodyman on Mar 19, 2010 9:18:23 GMT -5
I can't wait until there is mixed 3-D programming on TV...glasses on..glasses off..glasses on...glasses off...  Think of all the exercise you'll get.. during commercials, glasses off.. then on! Perhaps Dolby Labs will come out with some new thing.. Dolby OptiLeveler... neutralizes non-3D sources during commercials... while at the same time leveling volume via Dolby Volume! ;D |
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Post by hemster on Mar 19, 2010 10:58:42 GMT -5
Oh and there's a hidden market for pet 3D glasses... wouldn't want to deprive Fido of his favorite programming! I can see (pun intended) a whole new line of designer glasses.. with mucho bling!
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Post by vincedog3 on Mar 19, 2010 11:32:09 GMT -5
Though I thought AVATAR was awesome, I am not sure I buy into the 3D presentation for everything. The advances in 4K and 8K technologies to produce Tele-presence. It is I think the better way to go. 3D I have my doubts. It looks like another HD-DVD kind of technology to me at least.
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Post by hemster on Mar 19, 2010 11:41:12 GMT -5
Can't wait for the holographic technologies where the movies appear to play out in one's living room. The viewer can even partake in the roles.. villain or hero.. depending on one's mood..
Another upshot... one can undertake a virtual visit to the in-laws! ;D
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Post by DYohn on Mar 19, 2010 11:54:26 GMT -5
Can't wait for the holographic technologies where the movies appear to play out in one's living room. The viewer can even partake in the roles.. villain or hero.. depending on one's mood.. I'm sure the porn industry is drooling over this prospect...  |
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Post by jmilton on Mar 19, 2010 11:59:24 GMT -5
Can't wait for the holographic technologies where the movies appear to play out in one's living room. The viewer can even partake in the roles.. villain or hero.. depending on one's mood.. I'm sure the porn industry is drooling over this prospect... ...and if the wife catches you, is it still cheating? Virtually not, I would guess. |
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Post by jmilton on Mar 19, 2010 12:03:32 GMT -5
Can't wait for the holographic technologies where the movies appear to play out in one's living room. The viewer can even partake in the roles.. villain or hero.. depending on one's mood.. Another upshot... one can undertake a virtual visit to the in-laws! ;D Put the wife and kids on "pause". |
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Post by 2muchht on Mar 19, 2010 12:29:48 GMT -5
I hope we're not going too far into thread creep, but while the conversation here on 3D has talked about movies, it may well be sports that drives it more than anything. In addition to the Cup in late spring/early summer, there will be some demo stuff (Masters, for example) that will also be on cable. MSG announced today that they will be doing a 3D broadcast of a Rangers game next week. Pay $20 to see it on a big screen (silly -- just go next door to the Garden and watch it LIVE) or if you have a TV, Cablevision and the right service pacakge PLUS an SA box (no Moto at this time) you can watch it at home. That indicates that they are already re-flashing the set tops to accomodate the 3D data that tells the set which type of 3D is in use. Will be interesting to see if they use top/bottom or side-by-side. Will likely go out in 720p.
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