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Post by alhull on Apr 1, 2010 13:03:28 GMT -5
Lonnie - how about a progress report on F/W release #2  ? How close to wide release?? |
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Post by carlp336 on Apr 1, 2010 13:07:01 GMT -5
have the money. but worried, pull a perfectly fine mmc and install a new UMC that may or may not be ripe.
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Post by monkumonku on Apr 1, 2010 13:13:10 GMT -5
You have the money? Buy it. Well, I passed on my turn about a month ago because I couldn't spend the money then. Now I'm at the back of the line again where I belong. I'm one of the people who returned the UMC-1. I have to say, Emo issued the refund with no delay and absolutely no hassle or questions. Now that I returned it I am thinking since they extended the trial period until the FW update is released, maybe I should have kept it. Because if the update fixes the bugs, I'm gonna buy it again even if they bump up the price. I still think that is an "if" and not a "when" but there really is no risk in holding on to it to see what happens, except for being out $719 during that time. If the FW does get fixed, it would be well worth the expenditure. |
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Post by roadrunner on Apr 1, 2010 13:18:06 GMT -5
You folks should also realize the UMC-1 is not yet really released for mass market delivery. Once it is available on the web site to add to a shopping cart and the general public beyond us early adopters can buy it, it will succeed. It's too inovative in its price category to fail. The early release software issues will be worked out - indeed they are being worked out. Is it frustrating for some of us early adopters to have to wait for these fixes? Sure. But when the full-on product release with fully corrected software happens it will be a market changer and I bet Emotiva will have a hard time keeping up with demand. dyohn +1 Have you been reading my PMs to new customers? That is almost exactly what I have been telling potential customers. LOL I guess great minds run in the same gutter. ;D ;D ;D |
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Post by DYohn on Apr 1, 2010 13:24:40 GMT -5
You folks should also realize the UMC-1 is not yet really released for mass market delivery. Once it is available on the web site to add to a shopping cart and the general public beyond us early adopters can buy it, it will succeed. It's too inovative in its price category to fail. The early release software issues will be worked out - indeed they are being worked out. Is it frustrating for some of us early adopters to have to wait for these fixes? Sure. But when the full-on product release with fully corrected software happens it will be a market changer and I bet Emotiva will have a hard time keeping up with demand. dyohn +1 Have you been reading my PMs to new customers? That is almost exactly what I have been telling potential customers. LOL I guess great minds run in the same gutter. ;D ;D ;D You and I must simply be rabid fan boys.  ;D  |
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Post by DYohn on Apr 1, 2010 13:26:58 GMT -5
have the money. but worried, pull a perfectly fine mmc and install a new UMC that may or may not be ripe. I pulled a perfectly good Sunfire TGPIV and replaced it with a not-quite-ripe UMC-1 and I will not go back. The image and sound quality improvements are not only noticeable they are quite astounding. |
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Post by artiek on Apr 1, 2010 13:39:23 GMT -5
Well duh, it's only obvious...
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Post by emokid on Apr 1, 2010 13:43:49 GMT -5
i ran my emoQ today , i just couldnt wait for the update  And it seems perfectly fine to me , set the crosovers reasonably and keeps my settings when i power off ;D ;D wery plesantly supprised , i thought all devices had these problems ? |
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Post by moodyman on Apr 1, 2010 14:06:33 GMT -5
You folks should also realize the UMC-1 is not yet really released for mass market delivery. Once it is available on the web site to add to a shopping cart and the general public beyond us early adopters can buy it, it will succeed. I agree....its still being beta tested by people on the pre-order list. |
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Post by 2muchht on Apr 1, 2010 14:39:37 GMT -5
You folks should also realize the UMC-1 is not yet really released for mass market delivery... I hope you're kidding here. It's either "released" or it is a stated beta test. In the absence of it being sold as a test, it is simply being sold now to people who signed up early and thus get it before there are sufficient quantities to satisfy demand. No where in any of the promotion around the days when the pre-order lsit was open do I recall seeing anything along the lines of "This product might not be ready for sale but we're releasing it to you to test for us." What we did see was "We're not going to release it until it is fully tested and ready." OK, stuff happens and there appear to be some issues that need to be corrected. Understandable, but to say that just because you are an early adopter you shouldn't expect a product that is ready is after-the-fact over rationalization for the afact that there are some issues to resolve. No shame in saying there are bugs as they have been acknowledged and are being addressed. The need to take an "emperor's new cloths" approach escapes me as much as trying to imagine why there is so little tolerence in some corners for saying that it just didn't meet the mark for some people. Or, help me here, are you therefore saying that this is a beta test after all, despite all the statements about earlier dealys so that "we could get it right". No one's prefect, why not just admit that and see how close the efforts will go towards solving as much as can be solved. What's left over is what makes it a "buy if you're happy, don't or return it if you're not" affair. Biggest flaw is NOT the product, it is the lack of communication. We're big boys and girls and can take the bad news as well as the good. If something is delayed, or if the schedule slips, just let us know with an offical update once every two weeks OR at the expiration of the last deadline stated for "we expect to have it ready by (date) or in "a few weeks". No shame there either -- just good business sense. |
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Post by billmac on Apr 1, 2010 14:44:44 GMT -5
I know its April Fools Day so I hope that is why you are posting the above . If not and you are serious where has Emotiva said that the UMC-1 is not a finished product? When I ordered my UMC-1 I was not informed that it was still a work in progress. From the posts here from Dan L. and Lonnie at the time of the UMC-1s release they did not indicate anything of what you are saying. Just because the first UMC-1s are all going to people who signed up for the preorder does not mean IMO that we are all Beta testers. If we are and that is what it looks to be then it would have been nice if we were all informed of this. Maybe some on the inside as yourself might have known this going in but I sure did not . If I knew this from the beginning I would have passed on ordering my UMC-1. Hopefully Emotiva will comment on this to see if this is in fact true. So basically what you are saying is all of us that signed up for the preorder are not getting fully functional units? While those who wait will get the properly functioning units? Again I did not see this indicated in any form from Emotiva when I bought my UMC-1. What is so innovative about the UMC-1 other than the price? I appreciate your positive attitude about the upcoming FW but do you have any information that would make everyone else feel the same . You think "some of us early adopters" are frustrated is a understatement especially if the initial release of the UMC-1 was not a "full-on product release". Again your positive attitude is to be commended but the same thing was said long before the UMC-1 was released. Now several months in to production the UMC-1 does not appear to be a market changer in its present form IMO. Bill |
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Post by testerdennis on Apr 1, 2010 14:49:27 GMT -5
i ran my emoQ today , i just couldnt wait for the update And it seems perfectly fine to me , set the crosovers reasonably and keeps my settings when i power off ;D ;D wery plesantly supprised , i thought all devices had these problems ? Mine saves the settings too on the screen but a big but really does not. The reason I know this is because I have my main speakers at different volume and distances. When I turn the umc on it is still saved in the settings properly but the volumes seem to revert back to zero. I touch the volume in the parameter settings just a half db and the volume is back up to what I saved it as. I have to do this every time I turn the umc back on. |
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Post by RayoVac on Apr 1, 2010 15:23:37 GMT -5
You think "some of us early adopters" are frustrated is a understatement especially if the initial release of the UMC-1 was not a "full-on product release". Again your positive attitude is to be commended but the same thing was said long before the UMC-1 was released. Now several months in to production the UMC-1 does not appear to be a market changer in its present form IMO. Bill I did not quote the whole thing... but I think Bill makes very good points here and nice rebuttal. |
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Post by DYohn on Apr 1, 2010 15:50:09 GMT -5
Yes, I predicted those responses and I stand by my statements.
By the way, I am not "on the inside" of Emotiva, I am just a customer.
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Post by regulator on Apr 1, 2010 15:56:52 GMT -5
You think "some of us early adopters" are frustrated is a understatement especially if the initial release of the UMC-1 was not a "full-on product release". Again your positive attitude is to be commended but the same thing was said long before the UMC-1 was released. Now several months in to production the UMC-1 does not appear to be a market changer in its present form IMO. Bill I did not quote the whole thing... but I think Bill makes very good points here and nice rebuttal. Bill always makes good points and rebuttals. To me he is usually very reasonable in his statements and his thoughts are similar to mine. It's nice to have a clear perspective among some of the delusion. Jeez, i sound like a fan boy. I guess i am a Billmac fan boy now. So be it |
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Post by billmac on Apr 1, 2010 17:10:15 GMT -5
Yes, I predicted those responses and I stand by my statements. By the way, I am not "on the inside" of Emotiva, I am just a customer. Well if you do not have information direct from Emotiva then your statement would an opinion, right? I am really curious as to why you would post this: You folks should also realize the UMC-1 is not yet really released for mass market delivery. Do you see that as a possible excuse for Emotiva as to why there are so many issues with the UMC-1? To me by posting the above you are taking the risk of making UMC-1 owners even more frustrated with Emotiva than they already are. In other words I think you are hurting Emotiva more than you are helping them . Bill |
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Post by DYohn on Apr 1, 2010 17:16:20 GMT -5
You gentlemen are entitled to your opinions. I believe I am also entitled to express mine. I do not think my comments were negative, but as you few always seem to take anything that is posted that is even remotely positive as an excuse to be negative, have at it and enjoy yourselves.
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Post by mysticwizard on Apr 1, 2010 17:36:50 GMT -5
That's the response I got back a little while ago when I wondered if PLIIz may be included in the firmware update.
Will someone please explain to me why this function is not important? It seems to me that for Home Theater applications it is important. And from what I read will continue to increase in importance as many new receivers are including it.. even in the lower end.
I'm using my UMC-1 for Home 2 channel music, AND Home Theater and gaming. So, this feature is one which Emotiva, at least for me, seems to have fallen behind on.
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Post by BillBauman on Apr 1, 2010 17:42:27 GMT -5
Bill, it's sort of similar to the not-so-warm reception the Yamaha effects channels got from the critical reviewers. I think most of these people just regurgitate what they read from some reviewer with a bias, having never heard PL IIz or a height effect channel in their lives. If you have, and don't like it, that's great, I don't mean you.
I loved the effects channels from my Yamaha RX-V1 receiver. There's 'purity', only listen to the mastered tracks, nothing more, and then there's 'enjoyment', if you can enhance what's there, add effects, sound, etc., then why not? Some people listen to 2-channel audio in surround!!!! I can't believe it's even legal. Some people event want to add height effects to their 5.1 soundtrack. While altogether blasphemous, it can create quite an enveloping effect.
I see PL IIz much like I see 3D and HDMI 1.4. I probably wouldn't buy something in the next few months on that didn't have them. Why? Because I might want to experience/use them at some point. I'm willing to bet that PL IIz sounds pretty awesome and puts rain drops over your head and helicopters in the middle of the room like 'pure' 5.1 never did. That's just my assumption, but, at some point, some day, I'll get to listen and make my own call.
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Post by regulator on Apr 1, 2010 17:52:50 GMT -5
I was waiting on the ERC-1 to come back in stock and because of you I am going to buy elsewhere. Honest. Now if this poster is telling the truth, it shows exactly what I alluded to in another thread. The emo apologists/loyalists turn off lots of regular potential buyers. I don't think you guys realize how potentially damaging your constant cheerleading and excuses can be to Emotiva. Opinions are one thing, but when a customer has a legitimate concern, it doesnt help to belittle or disregard their comments. Face it, the UMC had a disasterous launch. Not the end of the world, but still, not good for everyone involved. Stop comparing them to Sony, Onkyo, etc. Emotiva doesn't compare to them, they are a totally different league. Nobody cares if the Sony CEO comes on a forum or not, that isn't the issue. The issue is simple. You got to remember, most of the complaints and criticisms are not to cause trouble, its because people really want to help Emotiva come out with a killer product. Constructive criticism is a good thing, and unless you work at Emotiva stop with these comments of "send it back already", "its not really released for the mass market etc". It annoys people with legitimate issues, and in the end you are probably hurting the company you try to defend. Just my rant. |
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? How close to wide release??
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