Can Emotiva Stay Competitive?

[mysticwizard]

Wow.. I just listened to this interview with a guy from Pioneer on their new receiver line..

www.avrant.com/?p=1282

How can any small company (with limited R&D and purchasing power) keep up, feature for feature, and "price competitive" with these big boys?

Their new features are spectacular! Listen to the interview!

Also, as Emotiva is learning, the complexity of these devices begs for a big organization that can afford to fast track "pre test".

Perhap's Emotiva should stick to more simple, less evolving devices, like high quality amps and speakers.

(Just tossing it out for discussion.)

[DYohn]

Your trollish question is a bit like asking "wow, I wonder if Newman's Own salad dressing can keep up with all the new flavors from Kraft?" The question is moot. They won't try to keep up, nor should they. They will do what they want to do and develop products they think will serve their market niche.

[Mike Ronesia]

Remember that Emotiva makes gear for some high end companys so the R&D is being used for more gear then theirs alone. I think they are going to have some growing pains but all companys have to start somewhere.

[Mischief]

Ignorance is bliss.

[mysticwizard]

"trollish" question?

C'mon.. please abide by the forum rules.

I am waitlisted for a UMC-1, but I can't help but question the efficacy of the product's future based on reality. After all, we have already seen one "retrofit" to HDMI 1.4.

Also, there does exist a price / value relationship. Emotiva certainly has it with their dedicated power amps. So, why can't I question it regarding the "processor" field?

I don't consider this discussion "trollish". I consider it an educated query to help me decide whether I want to invest my hard earned cash in the product. In a "product line" which may be discontinued. (I have seen this happen to specialized companies in the high end automotive audio field.)

When a company like Pioneer talks about jitter reduction and phase alignment, I can't discount that as non-audiophile.

Sincerely,
Bill

[Mischief]

The quality of sound at that price point, regardless of features is unlikely to be impressive. Once you get close to the same sound quality in such a manufacturers line, you are talking about a whole lot more money.

The low end of these lines are targeted to big store shoppers, who buy almost entirely on price point. Given three receivers with the same price point and they will buy the one with the coolest sounding features.

Not many of said customers hanging around here.

[raylock]

Mar 24, 2010 19:32:33 GMT -5 DYohn said:

Your trollish question is a bit like asking "wow, I wonder if Newman's Own salad dressing can keep up with all the new flavors from Kraft?" The question is moot. They won't try to keep up, nor should they. They will do what they want to do and develop products they think will serve their market niche.

why are you demeaning a poster by calling them trolling? I found the interview to be interesting.

[mysticwizard]

Thanks for defending me, Raylock.

I'm a new poster, but this will be my last post.

I don't need rudeness when I'm trying to educate myself and seeking the opinion of others regarding the validity of other products and Emotiva's direction in a product line I am interested in.

Regards,
Bill

[threxx]

Mar 24, 2010 19:32:33 GMT -5 DYohn said:

The question is moot. They won't try to keep up, nor should they. They will do what they want to do and develop products they think will serve their market niche.

Their market niche is basically 'premium products for far less than premium prices made possible by direct to consumer sales'.

That means they have to stay competitive with everyone... products costing more, the same, and less. If another non-DTC company like Pioneer is offering a unit that can do as much or more than the UMC-1 for the same or less money, then Emo is no longer serving their niche.

[butcher]

Mar 24, 2010 19:32:33 GMT -5 DYohn said:

Your trollish question is a bit like asking "wow, I wonder if Newman's Own salad dressing can keep up with all the new flavors from Kraft?" The question is moot. They won't try to keep up, nor should they. They will do what they want to do and develop products they think will serve their market niche.

It's posts like this that will make people NOT buy Emo gear. You are not a knight in shining armor on this board YOU are a troll. A bizzaro world troll.

[littlesaint]

Mar 24, 2010 19:49:41 GMT -5 mysticwizard said:

"trollish" question?

C'mon.. please abide by the forum rules.

I am waitlisted for a UMC-1, but I can't help but question the efficacy of the product's future based on reality. After all, we have already seen one "retrofit" to HDMI 1.4.

Also, there does exist a price / value relationship. Emotiva certainly has it with their dedicated power amps. So, why can't I question it regarding the "processor" field?

I don't consider this discussion "trollish". I consider it an educated query to help me decide whether I want to invest my hard earned cash in the product. In a "product line" which may be discontinued. (I have seen this happen to specialized companies in the high end automotive audio field.)

When a company like Pioneer talks about jitter reduction and phase alignment, I can't discount that as non-audiophile.

Sincerely,
Bill

So you post a "question" trumpeting Pioneer at the same time critiquing Emotiva, on their own forum, and that's not trollish? Maybe not your intention, but c'mon, it's a little trollish.

There's more to good gear than features. Some of the best pre/pros still in use barely have HDMI implemented. Plus, if you really look at some of this stuff, Pioneer hasn't come up with anything revolutionary. It's just new names for the same crap to market new gear that really doesn't do much different than the old gear. Yes, the new Pioneers are nice for their price (I'm thinking of getting one), but there's nothing special there.

[butcher]

Mar 24, 2010 20:03:29 GMT -5 mysticwizard said:

Thanks for defending me, Raylock.

I'm a new poster, but this will be my last post.

I don't need rudeness when I'm trying to educate myself and seeking the opinion of others regarding the validity of other products and Emotiva's direction in a product line I am interested in.

Regards,
Bill

Don't read his posts. He is considered a joke on all the other boards.

[ntrain42]

Mar 24, 2010 19:49:41 GMT -5 mysticwizard said:

"trollish" question?

C'mon.. please abide by the forum rules.

I am waitlisted for a UMC-1, but I can't help but question the efficacy of the product's future based on reality. After all, we have already seen one "retrofit" to HDMI 1.4.

Also, there does exist a price / value relationship. Emotiva certainly has it with their dedicated power amps. So, why can't I question it regarding the "processor" field?

I don't consider this discussion "trollish". I consider it an educated query to help me decide whether I want to invest my hard earned cash in the product. In a "product line" which may be discontinued. (I have seen this happen to specialized companies in the high end automotive audio field.)

When a company like Pioneer talks about jitter reduction and phase alignment, I can't discount that as non-audiophile.

Sincerely,
Bill

Ask yourself this: You think Pioneer will "retrofit" any of their products to keep up with the new fluff trends that probably wont become mainstream for another 2-3 years? Are these posts really serious?

Just because a company talks about basic specs like jitter and phase alignment, that must make the product audiophile grade? Huh?

[littlesaint]

Mar 24, 2010 20:14:28 GMT -5 @butcher said:

Mar 24, 2010 20:03:29 GMT -5 mysticwizard said:

Thanks for defending me, Raylock.

I'm a new poster, but this will be my last post.

I don't need rudeness when I'm trying to educate myself and seeking the opinion of others regarding the validity of other products and Emotiva's direction in a product line I am interested in.

Regards,
Bill

Don't read his posts. He is considered a joke on all the other boards.

Actually he's one of the more intelligent people here. Don't know who you are though.

[butcher]

Mar 24, 2010 20:15:04 GMT -5 ntrain42 said:

Mar 24, 2010 19:49:41 GMT -5 mysticwizard said:

"trollish" question?

C'mon.. please abide by the forum rules.

I am waitlisted for a UMC-1, but I can't help but question the efficacy of the product's future based on reality. After all, we have already seen one "retrofit" to HDMI 1.4.

Also, there does exist a price / value relationship. Emotiva certainly has it with their dedicated power amps. So, why can't I question it regarding the "processor" field?

I don't consider this discussion "trollish". I consider it an educated query to help me decide whether I want to invest my hard earned cash in the product. In a "product line" which may be discontinued. (I have seen this happen to specialized companies in the high end automotive audio field.)

When a company like Pioneer talks about jitter reduction and phase alignment, I can't discount that as non-audiophile.

Sincerely,
Bill

Ask yourself this: You think Pioneer will "retrofit" any of their products to keep up with the new fluff trends that probably wont become mainstream for another 2-3 years? Are these posts really serious?

Just because a company talks about basic specs like jitter and phase alignment, that must make the product audiophile grade? Huh?

But the Pio's will work, the UMC doesn't. Oh and another thing, I bet their beta testers got paid to be monkeys. Did you? Huh?

[klinemj]

To the OP's post...yes, I think they can remain competitive because their quality/price is outstanding, independent of feature counts + their great customer service.

To all...let's drop the name-calling, please. The words "troll" and "fanboy" get used entirely too much here as means to slam others - for me, neither term is really called-for. Thanks...

Mark

[littlesaint]

Mar 24, 2010 20:21:07 GMT -5 @butcher said:

Mar 24, 2010 20:15:04 GMT -5 ntrain42 said:

Ask yourself this: You think Pioneer will "retrofit" any of their products to keep up with the new fluff trends that probably wont become mainstream for another 2-3 years? Are these posts really serious?

Just because a company talks about basic specs like jitter and phase alignment, that must make the product audiophile grade? Huh?

But the Pio's will work, the UMC doesn't. Oh and another thing, I bet their beta testers got paid to be monkeys. Did you? Huh?

Now who's the troll.

[Mischief]

Getting way too ugly in here guys

[klinemj]

and now, for something completely different...Happy Birthday littlesaint!

(thread hijacking in progress due to overly negative vibes...)

Mark

[littlesaint]

Mar 24, 2010 20:26:36 GMT -5 klinemj said:

and now, for something completely different...Happy Birthday littlesaint!

(thread hijacking in progress due to overly negative vibes...)

Mark

Thanks! ;D