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Post by LCSeminole on Apr 3, 2010 21:15:18 GMT -5
Bill, I definitely agree with the discussion in a "civil respectful" manner, a handful of our fellow forum members seem to lose that sense of control when agreeing to disagree. As for the "locked" threads that I closed, they had more than run their course and I had given plenty of opportunity for them to get back on track(to use the theme of this thread  . I can't speak for what, if any, threads that were closed by the other moderators. It is very apparent you and I are on the same page with the civil discussion.  Hopefully this will catch on with all of our forum members.  |
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Post by LCSeminole on Apr 3, 2010 21:20:26 GMT -5
Denon,Oinkyo,Pioneer,Yamaha....great companies,fine products,not quite up to UMC standards of audio but still really great products.I'd say yes the UMC is on track. O I N K Y O!!! lol, I know that was a typo, but it was funny. |
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Post by billmac on Apr 3, 2010 21:27:56 GMT -5
Wow....I guess I must be reading an entirely different forum. The only roasted weenies I've seen around here belong to Emotiva.....and I seriously doubt that's due to the competition's superlative offerings. R I think you might have missed my point . Lets say one of the companies I mentioned released a prepro that was close to competing with the UMC-1 (price range and features). Now if that prepro had issues and it stopped shipping I tend to believe that prepro and its flaws would be openly discussed here as are the issues with the UMC-1. I certainly would join the discussion as well as I would wonder what went wrong, what are they doing to correct the issues etc. So I guess my point is some here kind of miss when a competing product is discussed in a negative way but when it is an Emotiva product then that is noticed right away  . I have seen a lot of negativity here towards Onkyo AVRs and prepros from heat issues, reliabilty, lack of service etc. It is all justified as these issues exsist but you can't really say you have never seen any of these posts. Bill |
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Post by Brian on Apr 3, 2010 21:29:00 GMT -5
Now the UMC-1 is back on track with final firmware about to be release, I will soon have to decide on getting the UMC-1 or wait for the XMC-1. Emotiva, please, please give us an updated time frame for the release of the XMC-1. I am expecting an email any day now advising me my UMC-1 will be ready to ship and I want to make the most informed decision. Thanks, Dave. From Lonnie today " I just want to jump in here and give a BIG shout out to Sticksandstones for putting together the issue list for us. It has been very helpful in re-write of the code. We have been extremely busy working on this so I apologize for not giving updates. But the code has been extensively re-written to give improved performance is all aspects of the system. If all goes well we plan to release the new code later this week, but that all depends on the beta testers reports and the in house testing to see if it is ready for prime time." |
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Post by klinemj on Apr 3, 2010 21:29:45 GMT -5
Suddenly, I am liking Bill Bauman's idea of buying a UMC-1 and deciding later whether I want the XMC or not. Indeed...it could be like a small rental fee. As I am on the second pre-order list on the UMC-1 and on the fence for UMC vs. XMC, BB's suggestion may be the one I follow.
Hmmm...before I have to decide...I would love to hear some user reviews of the newest UMC-1 firmware and also know the XMC-1 price, but if push came to shove...maybe I'd risk it on a UMC-1. There's the 30 day return policy if it didn't work out, so I have very little to lose.
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Post by billmac on Apr 3, 2010 21:33:42 GMT -5
O I N K Y O!!! lol, I know that was a typo, but it was funny. No typo there . As a former potbellied pig owner my pigs would have been insulted if they were compared to a Onkyo product ;D. They never ran hot (they never ran period), they were dependable (ate like clockwork) and had great service (plenty of fertilizer) . Bill |
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Post by billmac on Apr 3, 2010 21:36:47 GMT -5
Suddenly, I am liking Bill Bauman's idea of buying a UMC-1 and deciding later whether I want the XMC or not. Indeed...it could be like a small rental fee. As I am on the second pre-order list on the UMC-1 and on the fence for UMC vs. XMC, BB's suggestion may be the one I follow. Hmmm...before I have to decide...I would love to hear some user reviews of the newest UMC-1 firmware and also know the XMC-1 price, but if push came to shove...maybe I'd risk it on a UMC-1. There's the 30 day return policy if it didn't work out, so I have very little to lose. Mark I think with the talk of the price of the UMC-1 going up I can't see how you would not break even or even make a few dollars with the UMC-1. Bill |
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Post by LCSeminole on Apr 3, 2010 21:45:03 GMT -5
O I N K Y O!!! lol, I know that was a typo, but it was funny. No typo there . As a former potbellied pig owner my pigs would have been insulted if they were compared to a Onkyo product ;D. They never ran hot (they never ran period), they were dependable (ate like clockwork) and had great service (plenty of fertilizer) . Bill ;D |
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Post by LCSeminole on Apr 3, 2010 21:47:20 GMT -5
Suddenly, I am liking Bill Bauman's idea of buying a UMC-1 and deciding later whether I want the XMC or not. Indeed...it could be like a small rental fee. As I am on the second pre-order list on the UMC-1 and on the fence for UMC vs. XMC, BB's suggestion may be the one I follow. Hmmm...before I have to decide...I would love to hear some user reviews of the newest UMC-1 firmware and also know the XMC-1 price, but if push came to shove...maybe I'd risk it on a UMC-1. There's the 30 day return policy if it didn't work out, so I have very little to lose. Mark I think with the talk of the price of the UMC-1 going up I can't see how you would not break even or even make a few dollars with the UMC-1. Bill Mark, I agree with Bill on his points, as well as I believe the upcoming software will have fixed most of the controversial problems. |
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Post by Topend on Apr 3, 2010 21:59:15 GMT -5
I might go ahead with the UMC even if I don't hear anything about the XMC. Buying both the UMC and XMC will still cost less than an Onkyo 5507 here in Oz. It just would be better to know more about the XMC first.
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Post by DYohn on Apr 3, 2010 23:24:12 GMT -5
A simple OFFICIAL statement . I believe there is an entire thread that is made up of "official statements." These are not enough? |
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Post by DYohn on Apr 3, 2010 23:26:38 GMT -5
I think with the talk of the price of the UMC-1 going up I can't see how you would not break even or even make a few dollars with the UMC-1. Bill I have not seen any talk about the price of the UMC-1 going up from any official source, just a load of speculation from some forum members. In fact, I believe Big Dan has at least once stated they have no plans for raising the price. Has there been something else posted or stated in a web cast? |
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Post by BillBauman on Apr 3, 2010 23:31:25 GMT -5
The primary issue with communication of information is that everyone has a different definition of what constitutes an acceptable response level. For some it may be fine to receive monthly or even quarterly updates. For others weekly or even daily is not enough. Meeting these varying degrees of expectation are almost impossible and will always set you up for failure in someone's eyes. Best Regards, JD Ding. Which would be my point back to ratmice. There really is some middle ground between your two approaches. Nowhere did I, or anyone for that matter, demand full accountability about all that is going on, which is what your approach one is. It was a very nice straw man to set-up however. A few comments, now and then would be nice. That's all. No demands, no perfection. Just a bone now and then. In my opinion, we are getting the bone every now and then. That's exactly what has landed Emotiva where they are now. To JD's point, what's enough for me isn't enough for you. Which leaves us back at, either scheduled, official, constant updates (so as to meet everyone's expectations) or none at all. |
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Post by monkumonku on Apr 3, 2010 23:31:57 GMT -5
I'm having returner's regrets right now.. I am one of the folks who returned the UMC-1 but am thinking the logical thing to do, since Big Dan said the evaluation period was extended to take into account the new firmware update, was to just put it back in the box and hold onto it until the update was released. If the update works as intended, I'll be back in line to repurchase it! But unfortunately at the back of the line..  Or else I will wait for the XMC.. that's it - I will rationalize my return by saying I was really intending to get the XMC! Actually I think after going through all of this UMC-1 mess, I bet Emo is going to make sure the XMC-1 is flawless before release. Makes me think I should maybe wait for that one.. or maybe not. Just get the UMC-1 again. If it is fixed, there's not going to be anything near its price that can touch it.. even if they raise it. Dopey me.. |
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Post by BillBauman on Apr 3, 2010 23:35:20 GMT -5
I think with the talk of the price of the UMC-1 going up I can't see how you would not break even or even make a few dollars with the UMC-1. Bill I have not seen any talk about the price of the UMC-1 going up from any official source, just a load of speculation from some forum members. In fact, I believe Big Dan has at least once stated they have no plans for raising the price. Has there been something else posted or stated in a web cast? Nope. Total speculation. I continue to speculate. |
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Post by DYohn on Apr 3, 2010 23:43:23 GMT -5
I have not seen any talk about the price of the UMC-1 going up from any official source, just a load of speculation from some forum members. In fact, I believe Big Dan has at least once stated they have no plans for raising the price. Has there been something else posted or stated in a web cast? Nope. Total speculation. I continue to speculate. Well, as Mr. Laufman posted in an earlier thread: |
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Post by Cathy Laufman on Apr 4, 2010 0:04:03 GMT -5
Hello, Changing subjects... we have a new webcast up, has anyone listened? We talked about our new offices, new staff, new products, SW release for UMC-1, etc, etc........ Up late on Easter Bunny duty and thought I would check in. Good night all and Happy Easter. Cathy |
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Post by BillBauman on Apr 4, 2010 1:00:45 GMT -5
Nope. Total speculation. I continue to speculate. Well, as Mr. Lauffman posted in an earlier thread: Careful, taking things out of context can become dangerous quickly. |
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Post by BillBauman on Apr 4, 2010 1:02:23 GMT -5
Hello, Changing subjects... we have a new webcast up, has anyone listened? We talked about our new offices, new staff, new products, SW release for UMC-1, etc, etc........ Up late on Easter Bunny duty and thought I would check in. Good night all and Happy Easter. Cathy Cathy, I did, in fact, as soon as it was announced. It was fun to get a few tidbits here and there of what's to come. |
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Post by Topend on Apr 4, 2010 1:13:13 GMT -5
I listened to the webcast, it is the first for me. Nice to hear about what is going on.
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. I can't speak for what, if any, threads that were closed by the other moderators. It is very apparent you and I are on the same page with the civil discussion. 
Hopefully this will catch on with all of our forum members. 
. I have seen a lot of negativity here towards Onkyo AVRs and prepros from heat issues, reliabilty, lack of service etc. It is all justified as these issues exsist but you can't really say you have never seen any of these posts.
