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Post by RPA-1 man on Sept 5, 2010 18:29:41 GMT -5
I will check out the twit link as I've already read the Carver Challenge paper more than once.
Thanks CB.
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Post by johndavidson on Sept 5, 2010 18:52:13 GMT -5
I think it would be very useful for those interested in the topics raised in this thread to listen/watch the Home Theater Geeks podcast that featured an interview with the former "enfant terrible" of amplifier design - Bob Carver. twit.tv/htg29I encourage one to watch if possible because Carver shows off some interesting items in his lab. The interview also covers the infamous amp challenge where Carver successfully emulated the sound of an existing high-end amplifier with his own amp using null difference testing. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bob_CarverBob Carver is truly one who thinks outside the box and I can't recommend this podcast enough. As I reflect on this topic more, I think that many high-end amplifiers are a result of "tuning" and voicing by their designers and reflects their personal biases and proclivities. At this level, using terms like best, better, worse, state of the art, etc. are fairly meaningless adjectives that again reflect these biases. Just my personal bias! ;-) -CB great video thanks Mr. Barker
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Post by bootman on Sept 5, 2010 19:34:44 GMT -5
It's been discussed many times... Emotiva is the "house brand" for Jade Designs, who also manufacture for Alesis, Samson, Parasound, Sherbourne, Hartke...also some Krell and Jamo stuff, among others. The Ultra subs appear to be from an earlier Martin Logan design. You can´t be serious. I thought it was common knowledge now that Emotiva sells rebadged products designed and manufactured by Tonewinner, a Chinese OEM. Ole Willy Tuv Who sells them at 2-3x the price Emotiva charges? Just like the other brands BTW. That is one funny OEM. Isn't it usually the other way around?
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Post by bootman on Sept 5, 2010 19:47:04 GMT -5
Are you serious?? Emotiva is an OEM for more expensive brands? I had no idea that was the case.........please name one of those brands. It's been discussed many times... Emotiva is the "house brand" for Jade Designs, who also manufacture for Alesis, Samson, Parasound, Sherbourne, Hartke...also some Krell and Jamo stuff, among others. The Ultra subs appear to be from an earlier Martin Logan design. Halcro also. www.halcro.com/logic/pdf/MC70_diagram.pdf
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Post by iceman66 on Sept 5, 2010 20:33:12 GMT -5
I think it would be very useful for those interested in the topics raised in this thread to listen/watch the Home Theater Geeks podcast that featured an interview with the former "enfant terrible" of amplifier design - Bob Carver. twit.tv/htg29I encourage one to watch if possible because Carver shows off some interesting items in his lab. The interview also covers the infamous amp challenge where Carver successfully emulated the sound of an existing high-end amplifier with his own amp using null difference testing. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bob_CarverBob Carver is truly one who thinks outside the box and I can't recommend this podcast enough. As I reflect on this topic more, I think that many high-end amplifiers are a result of "tuning" and voicing by their designers and reflects their personal biases and proclivities. At this level, using terms like best, better, worse, state of the art, etc. are fairly meaningless adjectives that again reflect these biases. Just my personal bias! ;-) -CB Thanks for this, Bob is a fascinating guy.
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Post by paintedklown on Sept 6, 2010 1:01:34 GMT -5
I think it would be very useful for those interested in the topics raised in this thread to listen/watch the Home Theater Geeks podcast that featured an interview with the former "enfant terrible" of amplifier design - Bob Carver. twit.tv/htg29I encourage one to watch if possible because Carver shows off some interesting items in his lab. The interview also covers the infamous amp challenge where Carver successfully emulated the sound of an existing high-end amplifier with his own amp using null difference testing. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bob_CarverBob Carver is truly one who thinks outside the box and I can't recommend this podcast enough. As I reflect on this topic more, I think that many high-end amplifiers are a result of "tuning" and voicing by their designers and reflects their personal biases and proclivities. At this level, using terms like best, better, worse, state of the art, etc. are fairly meaningless adjectives that again reflect these biases. Just my personal bias! ;-) -CB Thanks for the links. Excellent information and a great interview. Bob Carver is a smart dude!
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Post by indyscammer on Sept 6, 2010 12:31:35 GMT -5
All I know is if I could afford other amps/processors/gear...I would NEVER have even found Emotiva. And it would have been ok. My neighbor had a B&K set up (Amp/Processor) that to this day is the best system I have heard. Have I heard a lot of systems? Nope. Do I like my Emotiva? Beats the crap out of the Yammy I replaced.
Are there better products out there? Gotta believe yes. Can I afford them? NO.
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Post by crazyhorse on Sept 7, 2010 14:20:21 GMT -5
It's been discussed many times... Emotiva is the "house brand" for Jade Designs, who also manufacture for Alesis, Samson, Parasound, Sherbourne, Hartke...also some Krell and Jamo stuff, among others. The Ultra subs appear to be from an earlier Martin Logan design. Halcro also. www.halcro.com/logic/pdf/MC70_diagram.pdfUhhhh no. Please go read the stats and product info on the amp you posted. For one THD is completely different in the Halcro. So is the company and does not have any dealings. Halcro is its own company based out of Australia, not aff. with Jade design. Also I don't see a XPA-7 as the Halcro is a 7 channel amp you pointed out. Could the back look similar, yes, but big deal, you didn't acutally pop the top off of it to show whats inside now did you? Also the emo doesn't have "Full control via RS 232 or ETHERNET connection".
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Post by bootman on Sept 8, 2010 10:29:23 GMT -5
Uhhhh no. Please go read the stats and product info on the amp you posted. For one THD is completely different in the Halcro. So is the company and does not have any dealings. Halcro is its own company based out of Australia, not aff. with Jade design. Also I don't see a XPA-7 as the Halcro is a 7 channel amp you pointed out. Could the back look similar, yes, but big deal, you didn't acutally pop the top off of it to show whats inside now did you? Also the emo doesn't have "Full control via RS 232 or ETHERNET connection". I didn't say anything about the XPA series. Now the MPS.....
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Post by crazyhorse on Sept 8, 2010 12:24:46 GMT -5
Uhhhh no. Please go read the stats and product info on the amp you posted. For one THD is completely different in the Halcro. So is the company and does not have any dealings. Halcro is its own company based out of Australia, not aff. with Jade design. Also I don't see a XPA-7 as the Halcro is a 7 channel amp you pointed out. Could the back look similar, yes, but big deal, you didn't acutally pop the top off of it to show whats inside now did you? Also the emo doesn't have "Full control via RS 232 or ETHERNET connection". I didn't say anything about the XPA series. Now the MPS..... once again. Spec are totally different, easy one to see is the listed THD higher in the MPS then in the Halcro. Once again pop the top, show me the insides of the halcro vs the MPS and then also prove to me that Halcro buys OEM products, because I can asure you that they don't. But no, keep going on spilling your BS everyone so people will lap it up thinking that Halcro is a brand based of Emo and that just makes your Emo brand sooo much better. It is getting old and annoying. Read the Specs, buy both amps, do a side by side comparison of them, and then come back and say its an OEM amp that they bought from Emo. Oh wait, no one here would ever do that because why? they would rather talk a big talk then do the research and just keep talking about something they think they know a lot about but really don't. But the moment anyone says that Emo is an OEM product, you guys jump on them like no other and have to dismiss everything said....works both ways.
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Post by broncsrule21 on Sept 8, 2010 12:47:55 GMT -5
simmer down....no need to go ballistic
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Post by crazyhorse on Sept 8, 2010 12:51:49 GMT -5
simmer down....no need to go ballistic I'm not. I'm getting sick of the people that are talking like they know it all about every other amp brand and them buying OEM products, but then defend the crap out of any one that dare speaks that Emo is an OEM product itself.... works both way...
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Post by stiehl11 on Sept 8, 2010 12:56:25 GMT -5
Welcome to the Internet: home of posers, pretenders and self-proclaimed know-it-alls. I'll stick to what I hear with my ears (for sound quality, that is) rather than who makes what and where. ;D
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Post by DYohn on Sept 8, 2010 12:57:39 GMT -5
I've owned several pieces made by Halcro - their DM38 and MC70 amplifiers and the DM8 preamp. Halcro's amplifier technology is very different from anything made by Emotiva, and although I am certain some of the components they use come from China Halcro products are assembled in Australia. The MC70 is a modular chassis similar to the layout of the Emotiva MPS-1, but that's where the similarity ends.
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Post by Mr. Ben on Sept 8, 2010 13:29:51 GMT -5
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Post by monkumonku on Sept 8, 2010 13:30:25 GMT -5
Welcome to the Internet: home of posers, pretenders and self-proclaimed know-it-alls. I'll stick to what I hear with my ears (for sound quality, that is) rather than who makes what and where. ;D Well now that kind of takes all the fun out of the hobby, don't it? ;D
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Post by DYohn on Sept 8, 2010 13:31:44 GMT -5
The MC70 is a class D amplifier.
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Post by Mr. Ben on Sept 8, 2010 13:34:53 GMT -5
The MC70 is a class D amplifier. Yes, I'm aware of the differences. I'm just pointing out that this conversation has happened before, and the earlier version got a response from Lonnie.
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Post by DYohn on Sept 8, 2010 13:41:51 GMT -5
The MC70 is a class D amplifier. Yes, I'm aware of the differences. I'm just pointing out that this conversation has happened before, and the earlier version got a response from Lonnie. Ah, sorry, I misunderstood you.
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Post by cgull on Sept 8, 2010 22:04:15 GMT -5
First off I love my UMC-1 I've had very little audio drops in the 3 months that i have had it . I think the XPA-5 is the best product for the price in home theater. The combo replaced my Onkyo 807 and i could not be happier. Now with that said I use a Krell Evolution pre and amp for two channel listening. Is there a difference? Yes. Is there as much of a difference through less expensive speakers that are more likely to be used with budget equipment. Yes but not much. Is the difference noticeable and much greater with my reference speakers that are much higher end? YES .I've played around tons with different set ups. With good speakers and a good DVD player there not a person on earth will ever be disapponted with Emotiva. It's only when you get into the truly high end speakers, cd players, turntables can the differences from amps costing 20 times the price be heard to my ear. It's also a music thing for me. There are studies that show your hearing is less sensitve depending what you are doing. Example: In some police related shootings the focus by officers has been so on the bad guys officers will never hear gun shots from an officer shooting right next to them. Yes, this is to the extreme but hearing is one of those things effected by what is around you. Long story to get to my opinion. Emotiva will be my brand of chioce for home theater even when I up grade processors but my amp will stay for many years. Higher end has a place in my home but only in two channel am I seeing the improvement worth the price.
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