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Post by Chuck Elliot on Dec 9, 2010 14:18:32 GMT -5
Replies are scattered among many threads with other titles. I thought it best to consolidate here with a poll.
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Post by sharkman on Dec 9, 2010 16:55:56 GMT -5
Good idea, I am interested to see how our fellow Emotiva consumers are implementing the XDA. I'm going straight to amp and experimented for a few days as it's my first DAC. On some CDs, a volume set at 12 out of 80 achieves 90db peaks for me.
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Post by jlafrenz on Dec 9, 2010 17:57:39 GMT -5
I have ran mine into a passive pre and an integrated amp with no volume issues. Perhaps this weekend I will turn the passive all the way up so it does not attenuate the signal and try using the volume control of the XDA-1.
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Post by wizardofoz on Dec 9, 2010 21:09:03 GMT -5
I have had mixed experiences with different setups but the poll doesn't accommodate any option in this regard
While many I am sure will be using this with other emo gear those that are not may face more issues as the emo gear I find likes a bit of signal to drive it. When driving my emo amps with emo sources like usp xdoa there is no big issue, but when driving more sensitive amps it seems to rather aggressive in the output
While it may well be a linear signal ramp the initial output level at 0.5 is still a lot for some non emo amps and this is probably where things get nasty for most people. The poll should consider emo and non emo amps
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Post by Chuck Elliot on Dec 9, 2010 22:01:35 GMT -5
Actually, I think the post is as complex as it should be.
It's a basic question: Is the volume control an issue for you?
The Yes, using pre/pro is a N/A and not listed because it can't be a issue.
If you are going to add what type of amp, you must add what type of speaker low/high efficiency.
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Post by mrla on Dec 9, 2010 23:48:20 GMT -5
volume control is definitely an issue; the included volume control on this unit that had many people bought this dac in the first place. hopefully, the issue being looked at by emo and solution is forthcoming very soon. u think?
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Post by jlafrenz on Dec 10, 2010 13:33:22 GMT -5
volume control is definitely an issue; the included volume control on this unit that had many people bought this dac in the first place. hopefully, the issue being looked at by emo and solution is forthcoming very soon. u think? There are a lot of variables with the chain of components that may be involved. Even if there is some effort by Emotiva, it does not guarantee that it will solve the problem for everyone's situation. |
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Post by Chuck Elliot on Dec 10, 2010 14:30:36 GMT -5
There are a lot of variables with the chain of components that may be involved. Even if there is some effort by Emotiva, it does not guarantee that it will solve the problem for everyone's situation. If the volume control is fixed to be true 0.5 dB steps it should solve 99.9% of the problems. With true 0.5 dB steps, user A might be at 10 on the volume control with their equipment and user B might be at 20 with theirs. Each will get a 3dB increase regardless of equipment by going to 13 and 23 respectively. |
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Post by mrla on Dec 10, 2010 14:49:36 GMT -5
volume control is definitely an issue; the included volume control on this unit that had many people bought this dac in the first place. hopefully, the issue being looked at by emo and solution is forthcoming very soon. u think? There are a lot of variables with the chain of components that may be involved. Even if there is some effort by Emotiva, it does not guarantee that it will solve the problem for everyone's situation. there isn't much in the chain of my stereo equipments: sources->xda-1->amp->speakers. NHT speakers, which i use this xda-1 dac with, aren't known for oversensitivity, they're like 85 db rated efficiency. i can only use 3.0-5.0 out of 80.0 max. for normal listening. even at 0.5 level it was a louder than i would want to start with... |
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Post by mrla on Dec 10, 2010 14:51:26 GMT -5
There are a lot of variables with the chain of components that may be involved. Even if there is some effort by Emotiva, it does not guarantee that it will solve the problem for everyone's situation. If the volume control is fixed to be true 0.5 dB steps it should solve 99.9% of the problems. With true 0.5 dB steps, user A might be at 10 on the volume control with their equipment and user B might be at 20 with theirs. Each will get a 3dB increase regardless of equipment by going to 13 and 23 respectively. well put. why emo hasn't said anything about this issue yet? |
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Post by duffda on Dec 10, 2010 14:55:43 GMT -5
There's an easy fix for this. Buy really low efficiency speakers...
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Post by mrla on Dec 10, 2010 15:03:03 GMT -5
very few speakers have efficiency rating less than 85 db...get real.
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Post by ryan08 on Dec 10, 2010 15:17:13 GMT -5
I am running mine with some high efficiency (92db) speakers and Hafler 120 WPC amp and have no problem with the volume control.
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Post by sharkman on Dec 10, 2010 15:50:01 GMT -5
By no problem, do you mean that you can set the volume up to 50 or 60 with the XDA connected to the amp without a pre-amp?
The issue is that Emotiva said the XDA volume would adjust in .5 decibel increments and it doesn't do this. Whether it works okay in some set ups does not change the fact that it doesn't do what it was supposed to do.
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Post by Chuck Elliot on Dec 10, 2010 15:56:20 GMT -5
I am running mine with some high efficiency (92db) speakers and Hafler 120 WPC amp and have no problem with the volume control. Which Hafler amp? If it is a DH-120, it's only 60WPC. |
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Post by ajani on Dec 10, 2010 17:03:45 GMT -5
There's an easy fix for this. Buy really low efficiency speakers... And if you already own an expensive pair of average to high efficiency speakers that you really like, is it easy to just sell them for a massive loss and buy low efficiency ones? |
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Post by duffda on Dec 10, 2010 21:05:04 GMT -5
Gee, whiz. I guess I should have included a smiley face, but I didn't expect it to be taken seriously. Sorry.
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Post by Topend on Dec 10, 2010 21:20:08 GMT -5
Connected directly to an XPA-5 via XLR I'm seeing peaks around 80dB @ 10 on the volume.
My speakers are about 89 or 90 dB efficient, I can't remember exactly.
My XPA-2 is packed as we are moving next week. When I'm setting up in the new house I will report back.
For me the volume is not a major issue.
Dave.
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Post by Chuck Elliot on Dec 11, 2010 10:35:47 GMT -5
With 50% of the participants to this poll considering this an issue for them; the time has come for Emotiva to speak on this.
I respectfully understand that they may be waiting for a robust and complete solution, but a mere acknowledgement of the issue would be appreciated.
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Post by velo on Dec 11, 2010 16:39:11 GMT -5
CF - I feel like I should qualify my vote in the poll. Yes, by running the XDA directly from my ERC to my amp, I have issues with the volume control (running at 0.5 to 3.0). But it's usable and I must say the SQ is wonderful. I am nervous about what will happen if somehow the volume is up high when I turn on the stereo. Am so far trying to be careful about turning on the amp last, after turning down volume if needed. :-)
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