|
|
Post by djoel on Aug 12, 2011 14:45:23 GMT -5
What would be the best solution for a green surge protector system, that you guys are using?..budget around 400 bucks?
Thanks
Djoel
|
|
jamrock
Emo VIPs 
Courtesy Costs Nothing. Give Generously!
Posts: 4,750
|
Post by jamrock on Aug 12, 2011 18:11:01 GMT -5
This component will not improve the performance of your components. It will not protect against a direct lightening strike. Get something like the HPC that will stabilize voltage drops/spikes to guarantee glitch free operation of your components and forget it. Some of you guys read as if you are presenting an informercial. Honestly, I always like to see a thread run it course and die naturally. This one died long ago. We are now in the cryogenic phase!
|
|
|
|
Post by RichGuy on Aug 12, 2011 20:34:52 GMT -5
This component will not improve the performance of your components. It will not protect against a direct lightening strike. Get something like the HPC that will stabilize voltage drops/spikes to guarantee glitch free operation of your components and forget it. Some of you guys read as if you are presenting an informercial. Honestly, I always like to see a thread run it course and die naturally. This one died long ago. We are now in the cryogenic phase! A good power conditioner will keep your components always performing at their best, undisturbed by problems that might be generated by the electrical system. It very much has the potential to improve the performance by correcting problems or just keep the performance at its best. As far as a direct lightning strike, this is sort of like saying a bullet proof vest is of no value since it won't protect against a direct shot in the head. Pretty much nothing is going to hold up to a direct lightning strike which is hotter than the surface of the sun and extremely powerful. However the protection from spikes in power can help your components to live longer as well as continue to be more trouble free. It's nice you are happy with your APC many people are and it's a very popular power conditioner, I think the H15 is nice but I also feel there are better, I did a lot of comparisons and made my choice accordingly. A thread continues as long as people have something to add, many die off soon and some seem to live on or even pop up again after being gone awhile. If your opinion is that a thread has run its course you probably should just stop reading and posting in it (hint: that is how they usually die off). Power conditioners is usually a topic that seems to come up pretty often. |
|
jamrock
Emo VIPs
Courtesy Costs Nothing. Give Generously!
Posts: 4,750
|
Post by jamrock on Aug 12, 2011 20:53:43 GMT -5
I did say something like the APC "That will stabilize voltage" Although I own the APC H15, I'm not pushing it in this instance although it does it's job second to none. If any other surge suppressor / power conditioner does the same job acceptably, get it for heaven's sake. Although these devices do a very important job, the concern of audiopphiles is improving the sound which this component does not. It's like going to make love and spending your time talking about the great protection you get from your favorite condom. Damn it. Get busy!!!!
|
|
|
|
Post by RichGuy on Aug 12, 2011 21:47:14 GMT -5
I did say something like the APC "That will stabilize voltage" Although I own the APC H15, I'm not pushing it in this instance although it does it's job second to none. If any other surge suppressor / power conditioner does the same job acceptably, get it for heaven's sake. Although these devices do a very important job, the concern of audiopphiles is improving the sound which this component does not. It's like going to make love and spending your time talking about the great protection you get from your favorite condom. Damn it. Get busy!!!! How you connect your equipment definitely can affect their performance as well as the sound quality. There is more to power conditioners than protection. Some people also argue that all amplifiers sound alike, they don't. I appreciate that you are happy with the APC you choose, you rank it 2nd to none so enjoy it. I compared many power conditioners when I made my purchase and I am very happy with my choice as well, however in my comparisons I rated the APC H15 closer to 2nd to last and I noticed that there are considerable differences between different power conditioners. |
|
jamrock
Emo VIPs
Courtesy Costs Nothing. Give Generously!
Posts: 4,750
|
Post by jamrock on Aug 12, 2011 22:16:06 GMT -5
I did say something like the APC "That will stabilize voltage" Although I own the APC H15, I'm not pushing it in this instance although it does it's job second to none. If any other surge suppressor / power conditioner does the same job acceptably, get it for heaven's sake. Although these devices do a very important job, the concern of audiopphiles is improving the sound which this component does not. It's like going to make love and spending your time talking about the great protection you get from your favorite condom. Damn it. Get busy!!!! How you connect your equipment definitely can affect their performance as well as the sound quality. There is more to power conditioners than protection. Some people also argue that all amplifiers sound alike, they don't. I appreciate that you are happy with the APC you choose, you rank it 2nd to none so enjoy it. I compared many power conditioners when I made my purchase and I am very happy with my choice as well, however in my comparisons I rated the APC H15 closer to 2nd to last and I noticed that there are considerable differences between different power conditioners. I respectfully and totally disagree with everything in your post: 1) If you connect your equipment as designated, there will be no difference in performance 2) Power conditioners have no effect on sound quality 3). Amps only sound different if you are comparing solid state amps to tube amps. See the thread on amps and take Bill's challenge. 4) When you say considerable differences between conditioners, you need to clarify exactly what those differences are. The only differences I can see are surge arrest and prices. ;D |
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2011 23:10:29 GMT -5
Good post jamrock!! A+
|
|
|
|
Post by RichGuy on Aug 13, 2011 1:13:38 GMT -5
How you connect your equipment definitely can affect their performance as well as the sound quality. There is more to power conditioners than protection. Some people also argue that all amplifiers sound alike, they don't. I appreciate that you are happy with the APC you choose, you rank it 2nd to none so enjoy it. I compared many power conditioners when I made my purchase and I am very happy with my choice as well, however in my comparisons I rated the APC H15 closer to 2nd to last and I noticed that there are considerable differences between different power conditioners. I respectfully and totally disagree with everything in your post: 1) If you connect your equipment as designated, there will be no difference in performance 2) Power conditioners have no effect on sound quality 3). Amps only sound different if you are comparing solid state amps to tube amps. See the thread on amps and take Bill's challenge. 4) When you say considerable differences between conditioners, you need to clarify exactly what those differences are. The only differences I can see are surge arrest and prices. ;D You're right, we disagree on every point. If you read this thread entirely I think I have addressed all of the points on power conditioners and have pretty much clarified many of the differences I found. But there is more than just surge arrest and price. For instance filtering this affects sound quality the most, isolation of components, overall quality, additional features such as trigger control, delay control, amperage usage measurements of total and separate outlet banks and wall wart elimination. Also appearance and overall affect on sound quality and yes this varied between different conditioners as well as other different ways of connecting components, usually only slight differences in brightness or warmth but also sometimes very noticeable differences in bass output. Anyway I did do quite an extensive comparison between the products available and particularly the ones that most interested me. I compared conditioners priced from as low as $100 (used) to over $3,000 (msrp). |
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2011 4:11:53 GMT -5
Good post Jamrock +1
|
|
bootman
Emo VIPs
Typing useless posts on internet forums....
Posts: 9,358
|
Post by bootman on Aug 13, 2011 7:09:56 GMT -5
What would be the best solution for a green surge protector system, that you guys are using?..budget around 400 bucks? Thanks Djoel You can get a whole house surge protector placed at the panel combined with a UPS unit with voltage regulation for your gear. Here are examples: www.cyberpowersystems.com/products/ups-systems/avr-series-ups.htmlAmps are clamped and voltage is stabilized. |
|
|
|
Post by baniels on Oct 28, 2011 10:22:17 GMT -5
I have had the PF60 for several years. I bought it for $300 I think, and at that time it was a steal. Still seems like a good deal considering. How do you guys configure your triggers for shutting on and off your amps? I know that amps should be powered on last and powered off first. The only way I can initiate a trigger is from my receiver. I can easily set it to trigger the amp to come on last, using the delay available in the PF60. I don't see how I can trigger it to power off first, if the only way to send a trigger is by first powering off my receiver. Thoughts? I just received my XPA-2 yesterday. Haven't got it hooked up yet. It was a birthday present (from me, mainly), and I've got until Thursday before I can officially "give" it to myself. We'll see how that lasts through the weekend.  Secondly, last night I came across this thread in which Emo's Lonnie was quoted as saying the following with regards to the XPA-2: Do the high current banks on the PF60 allow it to be an exception to this warning? |
|
selkec
Emo VIPs
SCREW YOU GUYS, IM GOING HOME!!!
Posts: 3,779
|
Post by selkec on Oct 28, 2011 15:33:48 GMT -5
There are many of us that run our amps thru the high output plugs on conditioners. I do. Its more of peice of mind for me. I would hate to come home to find it fried during a storm being plugged into the wall. I would rather it fry my conditioner. I just tested to see aho many amps my xpa5 pulls. I had my room up to 111dbs listening to music 2 channel and only pulled3.1 amps from the xpa5. This is pretty low for the high current outlets on the pf60
|
|
|
|
Post by House on Oct 28, 2011 15:45:29 GMT -5
i have the rotel power conditioner..........
i use it becuase it just makes pluggin in all that crap easy and in one central location....
|
|
|
|
Post by baniels on Oct 28, 2011 21:03:20 GMT -5
I knew I shouldn't have posted the two questions together. I'm more concerned with the proper sequence of powering on and off the devices. How are you folks triggering the power off of your amp before anything else?
|
|
selkec
Emo VIPs
SCREW YOU GUYS, IM GOING HOME!!!
Posts: 3,779
|
Post by selkec on Oct 29, 2011 16:09:50 GMT -5
Well I use a Elite as my pro and it shuts off the amp before anything else. I have not tried to get my pf60 to do anything by the trigger. I didnt even know it could to be honest. I never read the manual...
As for people plugging amps into the surge. Its not going to hurt anything Or make it sound better.
I copied this from the sticky from jlafreze in the FAQ amplifier knowledgebase... it says this
"Can I plug my amp into a surge protector?
It is recommended by Emotiva to plug your amplifier directly into a wall outlet. That being said, several Emotiva users have used their amps in conjunction with surge protectors without issue. If you decide to plug your amp into a surge protector, make sure to use the proper bank of outlets labeled high current on your surge protector. Common, everyday household surge protectors may limit the current to the amp while HT designed units such as APC, Panamax, Monster, etc... will have outlet banks specifically designed for such applications. These banks of outlets do not limit the current to the amp which the need to perform to specified capabilities. "
|
|
LCSeminole
Global Moderator 
Res firma mitescere nescit.
Posts: 20,861
|
Post by LCSeminole on Oct 29, 2011 17:39:57 GMT -5
I knew I shouldn't have posted the two questions together. I'm more concerned with the proper sequence of powering on and off the devices. How are you folks triggering the power off of your amp before anything else? For those of us that use a UMC-1, it has 4 triggers. These go straight to my XPA-2 & XPA-5, so just as soon as hit the power key on the UMC-1, the power amplifiers shut down. Same goes for my ERC-1 as it to is triggered by my UMC-1 as well. I do use the 4th trigger on the UMC-1 going to my Monster power conditioner in remote mode to turn on one of the dual outlet banks to turn on cooling fans for my power amplifiers. This is possible with the PF60 as well. |
|
LCSeminole
Global Moderator
Res firma mitescere nescit.
Posts: 20,861
|
Post by LCSeminole on Oct 29, 2011 17:44:20 GMT -5
|
|
selkec
Emo VIPs
SCREW YOU GUYS, IM GOING HOME!!!
Posts: 3,779
|
Post by selkec on Oct 29, 2011 17:56:46 GMT -5
I knew I shouldn't have posted the two questions together. I'm more concerned with the proper sequence of powering on and off the devices. How are you folks triggering the power off of your amp before anything else? For those of us that use a UMC-1, it has 4 triggers. These go straight to my XPA-2 & XPA-5, so just as soon as hit the power key on the UMC-1, the power amplifiers shut down. Same goes for my ERC-1 as it to is triggered by my UMC-1 as well. I do use the 4th trigger on the UMC-1 going to my Monster power conditioner in remote mode to turn on one of the dual outlet banks to turn on cooling fans for my power amplifiers. This is possible with the PF60 as well. Awesome to know. I was thinking about cooling fans and how to get them to turn on and off. Thanks LC |
|
sorbe
Sensei
"Don't cross the streams..."
Posts: 673
|
Post by sorbe on Nov 3, 2011 6:24:43 GMT -5
I'm using this one in my av rack. I keep the power amps on the surge only side, but all the other components (including the 4311) on the battery backed up side. It's never overloaded (50% peak load) even with 100+db listening levels. It has never induced any noise or other artifacts that I can detect. www.monoprice.com/products/product.asp?c_id=108&cp_id=10839&cs_id=1083901&p_id=4153&seq=1&format=2- Battery Backup: provide backup power
- Full Time Surge Protection: Protect your computer / home theater system connections away from power surge.
- Automatic Voltage Regulation (AVR): Keeping equipment continuously working through high/low power conditions without draining battery power and stabilizes incoming utility power.
- EMI/RFI Noise Filter: To enhance Audio/Video performance (fuller audio / sharper video)
- LCD Panel: Displaying real-time output voltage with illumination digital display.
- TEL & Internet Surge protection: Providing surge protection to your telephone line & internet connection.
- Coaxial surge suppression ports: coaxial outlets to protect surge striking your TV / home theater system through antenna.
- ABM Technology (Advanced Battery Management): Smart battery management control to provide longer battery backup time.
- Cold Start Function: Start up your home theater system directly without connecting to utility power.
- USB Connection: Smart USB communication port with computer.
A true bargain for a rackable AV UPS imo -- and I looked at nearly everything available. Customer Feedback link: www.monoprice.com/products/product.asp?c_id=108&cp_id=10839&cs_id=1083901&p_id=4153&seq=1&format=4#feedback |
|
|
|
Post by audiogeek on Nov 3, 2011 13:27:22 GMT -5
I am surprised no one has mentioned that if you do not have all of your equipment plugged into a common surge protector, the warranty that the protection carries is voided. I know this is true with Panamax products, not sure of all the others. If anything is plugged into a wall outlet and it is connected to all your other equipment that is connected to protection device, that equipment can receive a surge through that unprotected piece of equipment.
|
|
