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Post by jtsherri on Aug 8, 2011 21:54:09 GMT -5
I can't speak on the exact setup you're asking about, but have a similar configuration. Currently I'm running the last gen Monitor Audio Silver/RS series speakers (see signature) along with the Onkyo PR-SC5508 + PA-MC5500. And while I honestly can't tell you on how they'd sound with the XPA amps, I have run them with a UMC-1 + (2) UPA-5s (bi-amping the front stage) and must say the Onkyo setup sounds a fair bit better. Don't get me wrong, one can't go wrong with Emotiva components, but my SQ definitely improved with the change.
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Post by hamp568 on Aug 9, 2011 15:44:40 GMT -5
I can't speak on the exact setup you're asking about, but have a similar configuration. Currently I'm running the last gen Monitor Audio Silver/RS series speakers (see signature) along with the Onkyo PR-SC5508 + PA-MC5500. And while I honestly can't tell you on how they'd sound with the XPA amps, I have run them with a UMC-1 + (2) UPA-5s (bi-amping the front stage) and must say the Onkyo setup sounds a fair bit better. Don't get me wrong, one can't go wrong with Emotiva components, but my SQ definitely improved with the change. You have what I am looking to add, which is the Onkyo PR-SC5508 + PA-MC5500. I have been convinced on the Onkyo 5008 or the 5508 for SQ and you just added to it. I just havne't been sure about which to get. I really want to know how the SQ is from that Onkyo Combo you have. P.M. sent |
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Post by NorthStar on Aug 9, 2011 16:04:43 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2011 0:40:42 GMT -5
And you know as well as I (Onkyo 805), that Onkyo top gun receivers from 2007 and on are above other receivers in their true wattage..... I was very interested in the Onkyo 805 a few years ago as it weighed over 50lbs and had a power house of an amp for a receiver in that it was rated at 130 watts x 7 channels with all 7 channels operating (it did tend to operate on the hot side). The 806 the next year mysteriously changed to 130 watts x 7 channels with 2 channels operating. I was tipped off to this when I first compared the weights. Mysteriously the 806 was 37.5 lbs versus the 50.9 lbs on the 805!. Secrets of Home Theater and Hi-Fi had the weight of the 806 at 45.2 lbs. So the 806 was either 13.4 lbs or 5.7lbs less than the 805. This is obviously due to the general trend that all comparable receiver brands such as Denon and Pioneer Elite, etc. as well as Onkyo have followed in order to include every new bell and whistle under the sun in their new model while keeping the price down. Many uninformed folks simply look at the 130 watt figure and ignore the very important fine print. This trend has continued. I like Onkyo's pre-pro sections but their amps are just as wimpy as those of the competition's. Quotes from Secrets review of the Onkyo TX-SR806:The Design of the Onkyo 806Small things don't go unnoticed. When FedEx dropped the unit off at my office, I immediately noticed that I could lift the thing without too much strain whereas last year I distinctly remember asking for help getting the previous model (Onkyo 805) into the car. What's more amusing is that the very next day I was contacted by a reader asking if I would be reviewing the 806, and what did I make of the weight reduction. Consumers notice things like that. We then loaded it with 4 ohms on each channel and measured again. Switching the 806 to its 4 ohm setting we again measured with 8 and 4 ohm loads. The results are tabulated as follows. >6 ohm setting (default) > 4 ohm setting8 ohm load 144 Watts 36 Watts4 ohm load 217 Watts* 56 Watts* Time limited test under controlled laboratory conditions. The results in the >6ohm setting are more than commendable for a receiver at this price point, with a special nod to the power delivered into 4ohms, demonstrating that the unit can swing some serious current, at least transiently. The results when the unit was set of >4ohm load are disturbing to say the least, so much so that we must take a bit of a tangent to talk about exactly what that setting does and why it is there. Indeed one wonders how THX configured the unit during their tests as many THX speakers are 4ohm designs, yet in it's 4ohm setting the 806 is basically useless as an amplifier.ConclusionsOn the whole the 806 is a mixed bag when looked at as simply the next offering in a line of AVRs with a rich heritage. There is no question that there is some value in the new video processor, value which unfortunately is undermined by its less-than correct video repeating, and while THX Loudness Plus (or Audyssey Dynamic EQ) are very compelling new features, clearly something has been given up in terms of amplifier power.When looked at without prior prejudice, though, the 806 is a stellar value as an audio processor and is an excellent candidate on its own for smaller rooms, or strictly as a pre-amp if coupled with an outboard power amplifier. |
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Post by NorthStar on Aug 10, 2011 1:01:27 GMT -5
Chuckie, HAMP our OP is very well awared of all this, and he also owns the Onkyo 805. I ain't fooling no one! The 806, 807, etc. are not top guns! Relax, and take a deep breath of fresh air.  |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2011 1:33:15 GMT -5
I simply come in and make a correction when you make statements with no facts to back it up. Your comment that the Onkyo receiver amps are superior is not true IMO and I gave some facts to back it up.
".....And you know as well as I (Onkyo 805), that Onkyo top gun receivers from 2007 and on are above other receivers in their true wattage....." Sure sounds to me like you are calling the 805 and following models as above other receivers? Sorry if I misunderstood you.
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Post by ausman on Aug 10, 2011 7:19:54 GMT -5
new feature goes in amp feature decreases sadly the 708/808 didn't fair much better in that department when compare with their older siblings..
I would say the 805 would be hard to match the xpa series....
If I had the cash now I would say the 5508 would be a shoe in, though you could wait until the 5509 becomes available, otherwise you're looking at the marantz offering of the 7005, though to be honest if you can get the 8003 you'd have a better unit or you're looking at the long ion the denon avp a1 or wait to see what emo brings to the table with the xmc-1...
as great as avr's are with new features I would say you will be staying within the hi-end if town if you want pre-outs, given most co's are shopping photos between models it's hard to know what to look at and even to put cash down to buy..
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Post by NorthStar on Aug 10, 2011 11:57:03 GMT -5
I simply come in and make a correction when you make statements with no facts to back it up. Your comment that the Onkyo receiver amps are superior is not true IMO and I gave some facts to back it up. ".....And you know as well as I (Onkyo 805), that Onkyo top gun receivers from 2007 and on are above other receivers in their true wattage....." Sure sounds to me like you are calling the 805 and following models as above other receivers? Sorry if I misunderstood you. Sorry if I was not clear to you, but HAMP our OP I'm sure knew what I meant! {We know each other from some' back at Blu-ray Forum.} - The Onky 805, 875, 905, 876, 906, 3007, 5007, 3008, 5008 are the true Onkyo top guns. The 805 is an exeptional exception! ...To be part of that Elite! And HAMP can tell you a word or two about it! I am done talking about the superiority of some Onkyo products. I am now into other stuff for a change of life! But I will always speak the truth of my heart, and see life for what it truly is! At least to my own eyes. Again, sorry if my words were not clear to YOU. |
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Post by hamp568 on Aug 10, 2011 12:59:15 GMT -5
I simply come in and make a correction when you make statements with no facts to back it up. Your comment that the Onkyo receiver amps are superior is not true IMO and I gave some facts to back it up. ".....And you know as well as I (Onkyo 805), that Onkyo top gun receivers from 2007 and on are above other receivers in their true wattage....." Sure sounds to me like you are calling the 805 and following models as above other receivers? Sorry if I misunderstood you. Sorry if I was not clear to you, but HAMP our OP I'm sure knew what I meant! {We know each other from some' back at Blu-ray Forum.} - The Onky 805, 875, 905, 876, 906, 3007, 5007, 3008, 5008 are the true Onkyo top guns. The 805 is an exeptional exception! ...To be part of that Elite! And HAMP can tell you a word or two about it! I am done talking about the superiority of some Onkyo products. I am now into other stuff for a change of life! But I will always speak the truth of my heart, and see life for what it truly is! At least to my own eyes. Again, sorry if my words were not clear to YOU. I knew what you meant and it's hard to give up the Onkyo 805. To be in that same level and to upgrade to current AVR's, a person has to drop down alot more cash then they did when the 805 first came out. That's why I started this thread, I know I'm going to have to go up in big steps to see a nice improvement over that model. I love it, and it has spoiled me at the same time. I doubt I will ever sell it, it’s going to have to die on me, once I upgrade my main theater, it will either be doing bedroom duty or maybe a 2-channel spot. |
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Post by NorthStar on Aug 10, 2011 13:39:37 GMT -5
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Post by ultramic on Oct 28, 2011 16:31:45 GMT -5
Slightly OT, does anyone know if the 5509 and 5508 have a true balanced/differential design ?
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Post by NorthStar on Oct 28, 2011 16:59:57 GMT -5
Nope!
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Post by ultramic on Oct 28, 2011 18:18:51 GMT -5
thanks, i suppose you can't have everything. whats the major difference between the 5509 and 5508 ?
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Post by NorthStar on Oct 28, 2011 18:22:58 GMT -5
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Post by NezFF on Nov 26, 2011 18:08:07 GMT -5
I heard that the 5509 wont be realeased in the US.
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Post by NorthStar on Nov 26, 2011 18:42:16 GMT -5
I've heard of that too! ...Not in the USA, not in Canada; not in North America!  Well, ...not in this continent! |
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Post by philmike21 on Oct 30, 2012 21:28:12 GMT -5
I'm new on the forum,glad to be in the club. This place is good for information and opinions. Anyway I am going to buy a upa-700 at around Xmas for my 7.2 setup. 2 Polk towers,2 Polk in walls in back and 2 polks in ceiling above seating area and 2 Yamaha subs in the front. I have an Epson 8350 and a 163 inch screen that was obviously built. I thought about buying the umc-1 but was really turned off by all the negative stuff I've heard about it. I got my eyes on the xmc-1 but I know it won't have the tact-t in place for a while. I decided I'm just going to use a receiver as a pre for a little while until xmc-1 with tact-t is out and stable. So I was looking around for a cheap receiver with preouts and decided to stop by the Sony outlet,yeah I know I'm not down really with Sony receivers either lol. I have had a Sony receiver a few years ago with no problems. Anyway I was in there and got a killer deal on a Sony 3600es for 250 bux to hold me over. I'm not going to hook it up til I get the amp. I got an onkyo 609 right now so I'm cool til after Xmas. Anyway just wanted to let you guys no if anybody else is thinking the same as I am right now there's a real good deal on a receiver to hold you over til xmc. So let me know your guys opinions or ideas. Thanks
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Post by emovac on Nov 11, 2012 16:10:34 GMT -5
What would be useful on an Surround AVR is if the amp section could be turned off by software control. or even a switch. You would have either a pre-pro, or could switch in the amps for an AVR.
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Post by AudioHTIT on Nov 11, 2012 17:11:30 GMT -5
What would be useful on an Surround AVR is if the amp section could be turned off by software control. or even a switch. You would have either a pre-pro, or could switch in the amps for an AVR. Yes, seems like such a simple feature to add. |
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Post by RightinLA on Nov 11, 2012 20:23:11 GMT -5
I'm new on the forum,glad to be in the club. This place is good for information and opinions. Anyway I am going to buy a upa-700 at around Xmas for my 7.2 setup. 2 Polk towers,2 Polk in walls in back and 2 polks in ceiling above seating area and 2 Yamaha subs in the front. I have an Epson 8350 and a 163 inch screen that was obviously built. I thought about buying the umc-1 but was really turned off by all the negative stuff I've heard about it. I got my eyes on the xmc-1 but I know it won't have the tact-t in place for a while. I decided I'm just going to use a receiver as a pre for a little while until xmc-1 with tact-t is out and stable. So I was looking around for a cheap receiver with preouts and decided to stop by the Sony outlet,yeah I know I'm not down really with Sony receivers either lol. I have had a Sony receiver a few years ago with no problems. Anyway I was in there and got a killer deal on a Sony 3600es for 250 bux to hold me over. I'm not going to hook it up til I get the amp. I got an onkyo 609 right now so I'm cool til after Xmas. Anyway just wanted to let you guys no if anybody else is thinking the same as I am right now there's a real good deal on a receiver to hold you over til xmc. So let me know your guys opinions or ideas. Thanks Welcome to the Emotiva Lounge. Get yourself the UMC-1. I have it and the final addition is a fine product. I haven't had a problem with watching movies and listening to music. It is still available and it is still on sale. It is one of the best bargains out there and with the upgrade card it is a no brainer. |
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