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Post by NorthStar on Sept 13, 2011 18:58:35 GMT -5
Not the same TV amigo! The one at Bestbuy is the S Series, inferior to Theresa's ST Series. * The Panasonic S Series is NOT recommended by the experts over at AVS Forum. But the ST Series, YES!  _______________________ I have talked about this before, but was halted! Anyway, the main thing here is that Theresa got the right TV, and for a great price (best deal I've ever seen on that 3D model). That, I am 100% certain! And I already gave Theresa a link to a review done by Thomas J. Norton over at Home Theater: (September 2011 Issue) => www.hometheater.com/content/panasonic-tc-p50st30-3d-plasma-hdtvThis guy is good, very good. |
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Post by thepcguy on Sept 13, 2011 19:04:29 GMT -5
Not the same TV amigo! The one at Bestbuy is the S Series, inferior to Theresa's ST Series. * The S Series is NOT recommended by the experts over at AVS Forum. But the ST Series, YES! Yes. I didn't notice the one-letter model difference ;D Price matching is only for the same model most likely. |
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Post by NorthStar on Sept 13, 2011 19:13:30 GMT -5
Yup. ;D ...S'gotta be the TC-P50ST30 model, or no cigar!  |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2011 14:01:31 GMT -5
It's scheduled for delivery Friday morning and I'm asking an acquaintance to help assemble it (attach stand) and replace my old one on the stand.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2011 0:16:08 GMT -5
* The Panasonic S Series is NOT recommended by the experts over at AVS Forum. Yeah, well it is recommended by Chuckienut over here at the Emotiva Lounge! Theresa ordered the higher model and that is just fine for her reasons and purposes. However, there is nothing at all wrong with the basic Panasonic models. If you look at all of the reviews on the internet you will find that the S series has almost as good a rating as the ST series. Many folks don't want or need 3D and the picture quality is probably identical or almost identical on both sets. I have a entry level 50" 1080p Panny plasma and after I adjusted it myself in the cinema mode, it is simply stunning on high quality blu-rays and HD TV. Just be sure you get the 1080p and not the 720P/768P. The basic set is also quite a bit cheaper for those who want a best buy. Someone here posted some phony prices the last time we discussed this on a larger Panny plasma but he couldn't produce the proof when challenged. I hope we are not going thru this again! |
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Post by NorthStar on Sept 15, 2011 0:25:45 GMT -5
No we won't.
There are some very serious people over at AVS in the HDTV departments, and their knowledge is simply amazing and mind-boggling.
- They know more than the TV manufacturer's technicians themselves.
I should have provided links on why the S Series are not recommended by them.
For that I'm sorry.
I could get those links if I really wanted to, with few more hours of research;
but I'm simply not in the mood right now.
I am sure you like your TV Chuckie, and that's very good.
I am not here to argue on that, just to give that extra edge to the other people who like to look sharper, that's all.
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Post by thepcguy on Sept 15, 2011 0:28:12 GMT -5
* The Panasonic S Series is NOT recommended by the experts over at AVS Forum. Yeah, well it is recommended by Chuckienut over here at the Emotiva Lounge! Theresa ordered the higher model and that is just fine for her reasons and purposes. However, there is nothing at all wrong with the basic Panasonic models. If you look at all of the reviews on the internet you will find that the S series has almost as good a rating as the ST series. Many folks don't want or need 3D and the picture quality is probably identical or almost identical on both sets. I have a entry level 50" 1080p Panny plasma and after I adjusted it myself in the cinema mode, it is simply stunning on high quality blu-rays and HD TV. Just be sure you get the 1080p and not the 720P/768P. The basic set is also quite a bit cheaper for those who want a best buy. Someone here posted some phony prices the last time we discussed this on a larger Panny plasma but he couldn't produce the proof when challenged. I hope we are not going thru this again! +1 I am planning to buy a 60 - 65 in TV before the year end, maybe around Thanksgiving time when good deals come out. I am not too worried about "Moving Picture Resolution". I mainly watch BD movies, sometimes DVD/downloads too, so fast moving scenes will be seconds/a few minutes and it doesn't bother me even with my pretty 'old' plasma. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2011 1:54:13 GMT -5
No we won't. There are some very serious people over at AVS in the HDTV departments, and their knowledge is simply amazing and mind-boggling. - They know more than the TV manufacturer's technicians themselves. I should have provided links on why the S Series are not recommended by them. For that I'm sorry. I could get those links if I really wanted to, with few more hours of research; but I'm simply not in the mood right now. I am sure you like your TV Chuckie, and that's very good. I am not here to argue on that, just to give that extra edge to the other people who like to look sharper, that's all. Bob so you think the folks over at the AVS forum are the world's experts on Panny plasmas? Your comments above about those that are sharper are very insulting to those of us who have spent countless hours researching these plasmas. I'm serious too Bob and I could post two links for every one you do. Theresa made a great choice for her. But to be condescending to me and those who might choose to save some hundreds of dollars on the entry level model is sad, IMO. I can also link reviews from actually owner's that barely give the ST model a higher rating then the S model. The ST model has 3D, you must understand that many folks don't want it at least yet. The 900 versus 1080 might be ever so slightly better. I have a 50" entry level 1080p Panny plasma myself here right now that I'm watching. It is superb and I am very, very picky with my displays. I recommend the 1080p over the cheaper 768P in the Panny line. That is because I had both of them in my living room side by side for about 5 days. There was a very clear distinction between them. Neither I or you have had the S and ST in our rooms. I bet very few if any of the folks at AVS have A/B'd those sets. That doesn't mean they aren't free to form opinions. But, I think telling members here that the experts don't recommend the S series is uncalled for. How about giving us a break from the AVS forum experts. Making this statement below is not helpful. It implies that there is some inherent issue with the S series. If you made a reasonable statement like I think the ST series is slightly better in video quality than the S series, I and others would have no objection. ".....The Panasonic S Series is NOT recommended....." (la baloney) I'm surprised you didn't blast Theresa for not buying a Samsung! ;D |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2011 2:03:49 GMT -5
+1 I am planning to buy a 60 - 65 in TV before the year end, maybe around Thanksgiving time when good deals come out. I am not too worried about "Moving Picture Resolution". I mainly watch BD movies, sometimes DVD/downloads too, so fast moving scenes will be seconds/a few minutes and it doesn't bother me even with my pretty 'old' plasma. My local Costco is out of these 60" Panny plasmas at $999, but you might check around to see if there are any where you live. This is the best buy I have ever seen on a flat panel TV of any size. Plasmas are excellent for sports, games and fast moving video. The previous problems were with LCD's. emotivalounge.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=off&action=display&thread=18850&page=1(the $999 price, I posted on 9-1-2011, My store was out about a 5 days ago). |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2011 3:29:09 GMT -5
* The Panasonic S Series is NOT recommended by the experts over at AVS Forum. Yeah, well it is recommended by Chuckienut over here at the Emotiva Lounge! Theresa ordered the higher model and that is just fine for her reasons and purposes. However, there is nothing at all wrong with the basic Panasonic models. If you look at all of the reviews on the internet you will find that the S series has almost as good a rating as the ST series. Many folks don't want or need 3D and the picture quality is probably identical or almost identical on both sets. I have a entry level 50" 1080p Panny plasma and after I adjusted it myself in the cinema mode, it is simply stunning on high quality blu-rays and HD TV. Just be sure you get the 1080p and not the 720P/768P. The basic set is also quite a bit cheaper for those who want a best buy. Someone here posted some phony prices the last time we discussed this on a larger Panny plasma but he couldn't produce the proof when challenged. I hope we are not going thru this again! I certainly didn't mean to dis you with my purchase Chuckie. The one you have is $200 less expensive and I probably couldn't tell the difference. If I had the room I might have bought the 60" model for the same price. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2011 4:12:47 GMT -5
Yeah, well it is recommended by Chuckienut over here at the Emotiva Lounge! Theresa ordered the higher model and that is just fine for her reasons and purposes. However, there is nothing at all wrong with the basic Panasonic models. If you look at all of the reviews on the internet you will find that the S series has almost as good a rating as the ST series. Many folks don't want or need 3D and the picture quality is probably identical or almost identical on both sets. I have a entry level 50" 1080p Panny plasma and after I adjusted it myself in the cinema mode, it is simply stunning on high quality blu-rays and HD TV. Just be sure you get the 1080p and not the 720P/768P. The basic set is also quite a bit cheaper for those who want a best buy. Someone here posted some phony prices the last time we discussed this on a larger Panny plasma but he couldn't produce the proof when challenged. I hope we are not going thru this again! I certainly didn't mean to dis you with my purchase Chuckie. The one you have is $200 less expensive and I probably couldn't tell the difference. If I had the room I might have bought the 60" model for the same price. Oh no Theresa, not all all. Bob and I just disagree on his supposedly infallible statement that the S series is not recommended. That just implies to me that he thinks the S series has some major problem. To be honest, I don't trust many of the so-called experts over there. I am a member and have caught a number of them spreading false facts many times and just stay away from there. There are too many over there under their leader (I won't mention his name) who think they know it all, period. You have every right to have bought the ST series and I have no problem with that whatever. I'm just saying that I believe the S series is just fine for anyone who might choose it. As I said above you made a Great Choice Theresa! ;D |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2011 4:42:12 GMT -5
My new one will be much better than what I've currently got, a 40" 1080P LCD from three years ago. Its pretty poor on all fronts.
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Post by RadTech on Sept 15, 2011 7:12:56 GMT -5
I have a Panasonic 54 G10 and love it. I also have a 3-4 year old Sony 40 XBR4 which is still a very nice TV. Congrats again Theresa! If I lived closer I'd come help you set it up.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2011 7:20:48 GMT -5
My Sony isn't an XBR model. It was the cheapest 1080P that Sony made three years ago, about the same price as the Panasonic 50" I ordered and at least its not the bottom of the line like the Sony is.
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Post by RadTech on Sept 15, 2011 7:47:44 GMT -5
My Sony isn't an XBR model. It was the cheapest 1080P that Sony made three years ago, about the same price as the Panasonic 50" I ordered and at least its not the bottom of the line like the Sony is. I can understand why you're replacing it and congrats again.  |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2011 8:35:37 GMT -5
Just one more day.
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Post by NorthStar on Sept 15, 2011 10:23:00 GMT -5
The Panny S Series are fine, go ahead and get them to save money. Besides they don't have any crappy 3D technology. ______________________________ Nope, I ain't going there Chuckie, I simply won't argue with you. * AVS Forum has a load of charlatans of all sorts, but among those you can also find the true experts with solid knowledge. And yes, they do compare all those Panny TVs, and they know all the Ins & Outs from each model. *** Best is to visit those sections (Panasonic plasmas), and LEARN to decipher the Good among the Bad! But I can guaranty you that those professional video calibrators (several of them), have a solid reputation! You ain't need links from me, anyone can visit over there and find out for themselves. Yes, there are things that I don't agree with AVS Forum; but that don't mean ALL is bad! Certainly not! I've met some of the very best people over there, period! Best in the sense that they are very nice human beings first, very respectable people, very helpful, and very knowledgeable. And like I said before, here in this particular situation, in this thread from Theresa, she made the right choice with the ST Series! Not because it's a 3D HDTV plasma, but because it does 2D better than most that cost more! And the sale price was totally awesome! Fo sur she could have gone with the S Series instead, and never notice the differences, and save more money in the process (about $200 from the info we've been provided with); but she just happened to have made a better choice, and that is all there is to it! |
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Post by thepcguy on Sept 15, 2011 13:38:10 GMT -5
From one of the sites I regularly go to: Review of the ST30.... Panasonic includes many picture adjustments. A new one is “Motion Smooth” which ads frame insertion to make filmed images have fluid motion. Like the motion estimation/motion compensation (ME/MC) circuits found in all 120 Hz and higher refresh LCDs and LED LCDs, it makes film based material appear as a video source. While we prefer the circuit set to the “off” position (default is “weak” mode), there is a benefit in the form of a reduction of phosphor lag, seen as a green trailing edge using our FPD motion test disc. We were unable to find any normal TV content during our evaluations that produced lag in the “off” position.hdguru.com/panasonic-tc-p50st30-3d-hdtv-first-review/4426/ |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2011 14:14:03 GMT -5
Nice little review. I didn't even know about it's internet connectivity.
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Post by Matt193 on Sept 15, 2011 17:18:30 GMT -5
Congratulations on the purchase Theresa! I have a last year's 42" G15 model and I really like it. I have noticed the black levels have risen on mine but it still looks better than 99% of the LCDs in the comparable price range. I wasn't crazy with the picture right out of the box as mine had a major green cast to it (called push?) but after about 50 hours things settled in and have been great ever since.
Enjoy your new TV!
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