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Post by matt on Apr 4, 2012 1:28:54 GMT -5
And I wonder what the benefit of 4k at normal viewing distances would be. 1080 looks pretty good on a 59" display from 9' away. Agreed. Chances are that the folks who are going to spend more than this on a theater display aren't going to be particularly budget-constrained for their processor/amps/speakers. 1080p on my 120" screen from 7' away requires that I wear glasses to get the full detail (I do not otherwise need them). So unless I get eye surgery that I do not not need, then I will be sticking to 1080p. For me, 3D is worth the shutter glasses; getting full detail out of 1080p is not.
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Post by Nemesis.ie on Apr 4, 2012 3:12:07 GMT -5
From 7' on my 115" I easily feel the need for higher resolution. My normal viewing distance is ~12' and that's partly so I don't see the pixelation. So for me, and my eyesight (lasered in 1999) is not perfect, one eye in particular us a bit "sub par". As soon as 4k is more affordable I'll likely jump in. I use a 2560 x 1600 30" monitor on my desk at 1.5ft and would love to have the same kind of improved detail (more or less) for the big screen. Gaming is another place where higher res makes a big difference as there tends to be small things that you concentrated on at times that it helps to be able to see better and for gaming/computer use we do tend to sit closer. To get back on topic, I was very glad to see the XMC-1 will have 4k support. I really hope an RMC-1 with dual HDMI out and more channels comes out around the same time at a reasonable price. I'd certainly go up to $2000 for 11.2 (or 11.4 even better (i.e. TACT processing for 4 subs) and 2 x HDMI out and a few other "goodies".
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Post by ausman on Apr 4, 2012 5:20:36 GMT -5
I thought emo killed the idea of 11.4..
I would of thought they would have a reserve if rmc-1 before it came out..
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Post by Nemesis.ie on Apr 4, 2012 9:54:53 GMT -5
Who knows, there was "almost" confirmation of an RMC-1 and I don't know what else they could really add to it to set it apart from the XMC-1 or the competition (i.e. more channels, dual output and maybe more media streaming).
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Post by jerrin on Apr 4, 2012 15:30:17 GMT -5
I thought emo killed the idea of 11.4.. I would of thought they would have a reserve if rmc-1 before it came out.. I'd bet we will be able to get on the list for the RMC at Emofest this year. I'm pretty sure it's at least a good year or so out from now.
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Post by happy2b on Apr 4, 2012 15:39:59 GMT -5
The RMC-1 could add Trinnov, especially if it is the same Sherwood that Emotiva bought that has the R-972 with Trinnov. From the reviews I've seen TACT is very good but nothing compares to Trinnov.
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Post by billmac on Apr 4, 2012 15:43:21 GMT -5
The RMC-1 could add Trinnov, especially if it is the same Sherwood that Emotiva bought that has the R-972 with Trinnov. From the reviews I've seen TACT is very good but nothing compares to Trinnov. Emotiva bought Sherbourn not Sherwood . Bill
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Post by jamrock on Apr 4, 2012 16:10:30 GMT -5
If there is a sufficient market out there for 11.4, I say that Emo should go for it. This is a business first, hobby, after. However, I don't see Emo using Trinnov & TacT concurrently. If anything, I foresee the expansion and refinement of TacT assuming that it will be successfully launched in the XMC-1. Now the question is; Would there be a matching, high powered XPR-11? Hmm!
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Post by hpc on Apr 4, 2012 17:14:24 GMT -5
The RMC-1 could add Trinnov, especially if it is the same Sherwood that Emotiva bought that has the R-972 with Trinnov. From the reviews I've seen TACT is very good but nothing compares to Trinnov. Try: www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1366849Dirac is mucho better; a little more cost depending on which processor, but.... Still, I'm picking up a XMC-1 also...you can never have enough toys.
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Post by stiehl11 on Apr 4, 2012 19:09:18 GMT -5
If there is a sufficient market out there for 11.4, I say that Emo should go for it. This is a business first, hobby, after. However, I don't see Emo using Trinnov & TacT concurrently. If anything, I foresee the expansion and refinement of TacT assuming that it will be successfully launched in the XMC-1. Now the question is; Would there be a matching, high powered XPR-11? Hmm! I would like to think that I'm not in the minority on this one... There are two types of audiophile: the one that wants the latest doo-dad irregardless how it sounds or if he/she can hear it, and the one that wants the best sound that he/she can hear (and those that don't have gear, but just want to talk about specs like teenagers and cars). For someone with a mid-level system like mine to add 4 more channels would cost $3,300 (4x$600 for PC-1.5 speakers, $899 for XPA-5) plus the additional cost of a processor with 11 outputs. Yes, there are cheaper speakers out there but why use speakers that are below the rest of the speakers in your sound stage? It would be like using a brush to paint your Ferrari. So, for someone like me will I see (with an estimated premium of $500 for a processor that would do 11.x) $4,000 worth of improvement in my theater? Or, would it simply satisfy my need to have the latest doo-dad regardless of performance or cost? I know that there are a lot of people out there like me that spent $2,000 to go from 5.1 to 7.1 and had some buyers remorse wondering if the improvement was really better than a week at Disney World (food and lodging included). Now we see the clamering for an additional 4 more channels (at a cost of 2 weeks at Disney World with food and lodging) and wonder if it's really all that. Maybe if we had cheap speakers where we could afford to buy them by the gross or made $10,000 a month (gross) then $4k wouldn't sound that bad. But, I think that the market for 11.x is finite because some of us have better things to spend $4k on that would give us greater pleasure. Your mileage will, of course, vary.
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Post by jamrock on Apr 4, 2012 19:26:53 GMT -5
Remember that it is always a choice. We cannot always see things according to our needs. Many who own the 7.1 UMC-1 use it for 5.1 and even 2.1 listening. I hear no one complaining about having to pay for 2 unsued channels. And, 11.xx would be backward compatible. I don't think that the UMC-1, XMC-1 or RMC-1 are for everybody. But I always like to buy more than I need in order to cater for possible future expansion. Then again, to each their own.
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Post by Nemesis.ie on Apr 5, 2012 4:27:44 GMT -5
If there is a sufficient market out there for 11.4, I say that Emo should go for it. This is a business first, hobby, after. However, I don't see Emo using Trinnov & TacT concurrently. If anything, I foresee the expansion and refinement of TacT assuming that it will be successfully launched in the XMC-1. Now the question is; Would there be a matching, high powered XPR-11? Hmm! I would like to think that I'm not in the minority on this one... There are two types of audiophile: the one that wants the latest doo-dad irregardless of how it sounds or if he/she can hear it, and the one that wants the best sound that he/she can hear (and those that don't have gear, but just want to talk about specs like teenagers and cars). I think 2 types as you describe is not at all accurate. There are also those that want quality sound and additional technology. We already have some folks on here with e.g. 9 or 11 channels systems and they state that there is an improvement to sound for them. In my case, I did notice an improved front sound stage adding the presence channels on my old Yamaha. Technology for technology's sake is, I would agree not the best use of time and resources, but many of the new features are actually useful/audible. Depending on what you use and the room you have available and your desired outcome the cost or benefit may be perfectly justifiable and audible IMO.
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Post by moovtune on Apr 5, 2012 10:17:59 GMT -5
Perhaps in a room the size of a small movie theater, adding speakers beyond 7.1 would be beneficial. But for me, until they start actually mixing in 11.1, 7.1 is all I need in my room.
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Post by Nemesis.ie on Apr 5, 2012 10:22:29 GMT -5
This doesn't mean others would not like or benefit from having the OPTION on the processor.
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Post by ausman on Apr 5, 2012 17:04:28 GMT -5
if ya want to keep in with jones of the audio world in a pre/pro I would say 9.3 or 9.2 is going to be your standard option
though if you want to stand out in a crowd 11.3 would be a real coup in the processor arena, as 97% of most 11.x equipment layout is avr territory not many pre/pro's out there in support 11.x...
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Post by jamrock on Apr 5, 2012 17:08:32 GMT -5
IMO, you can benefit from any surround technology in any reasonably sized room as long as it is used with discretion. Just use the volume knob. Output (dB) is what is more likely to over power a room than the amount of speakers. Plus, the smaller the room, the less it affects the signal. I decided on a 7.1 system because 7 is the maximum available discrete channels and I would like to experience that whenever I can. I don't think that the effects of the additional matrixed output are worth the cost of the extra speakers, amplification, wires, etc. But that is me. I would not like to just think of my satisfaction only, and deprive others who think that the extra surround effect it worth it. Let every man have the opportunity for happiness.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2012 17:27:42 GMT -5
Emotiva bought Sherbourn not Sherwood . Bill That's correct. You can't fool a wise old fart like me. I remember just like it was yesterday. Robin Hood used to hang out in Sherbourn Forest.
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Post by ausman on Apr 5, 2012 18:06:57 GMT -5
chucky that was shearwood pronounced (sherwood)
as for the processor sherwood build the ilfated outlaw pocessor that outlaw scraped that had trinnov sherwood ended using the processor and marketing it as their own..
it would be interesting to see how tact compares to trinnov and multi eq 32xt actually i wonder what would happen if you used multieq 32xt in combination with tact using tact as the front end solution for a controller modifier...
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Post by stiehl11 on Apr 5, 2012 18:08:19 GMT -5
if ya want to keep in with jones of the audio world in a pre/pro I would say 9.3 or 9.2 is going to be your standard option though if you want to stand out in a crowd 11.3 would be a real coup in the processor arena, as 97% of most 11.x equipment layout is avr territory not many pre/pro's out there in support 11.x... If Emotiva wanted to "keep up with the Jones'" of the audio world they'd price their gear like them as well. ;D
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Post by ausman on Apr 5, 2012 18:37:03 GMT -5
to be honest stiehl i was actuall looking at the denon avpa1 as far end indecator with marantz/onkyo being the near end solutions within sub 1,500-2,500 price range and up to $7,500 (avpa1) with the keeping up with the joneses comment..
as it stands at the moment the avpa1 (9.3), av 8003/7005 (9.2) and 5507/5508/5509 (9.2) none which support 11.x.. so you either have to to take a leaf out from the AVR side of things and go 11.x to stay standard with the pre/pro market with 9.x..
to be honest 4k support would be great though my opinion 8k or better should be deployed as standard for video processing, 2-4k processing has been the bog standard option for years, my opinion 8k should start to become a standard option though I think 16-24k could be a standard load out for use even if we only use a quarter of its power today, I think as a future proof for the the next 10-15 years atleast 8-24k is going to become standard options especially in video pass-thru or video processing to pj's and lcd/led/displays as 4k is just the tip of the icebergs
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