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Post by cwt on Jan 21, 2013 22:44:59 GMT -5
Just discovered another prob with UMC-200. Setting PCM playback mode to "Stereo" leaves the rear speakers on. Surrounds and center channels go off. (Setting "All Stereo" turns them all on). Only apparent way to shut off the rears is to shut off their amp. Since your cc and surrounds are off gary it follows that the fronts are reproducing the backs so I would check your bi amp mode is Off . May easily be a correlation with your manual eq  |
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Post by garym on Jan 21, 2013 23:18:39 GMT -5
Since your cc and surrounds are off gary it follows that the fronts are reproducing the backs so I would check your bi amp mode is Off . May easily be a correlation with your manual eq Aaaargh! Yep, that was it. Must have turned that on inadvertently when messing with the manual EQ. Thanx, cwt |
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Post by garym on Jan 21, 2013 23:33:33 GMT -5
How did you set your system up (EmoQ or manually)? What is your source? If your source has its own volume control, is it disabled (fixed) or, at least, set to "max"? Source is a Sony BDP S580 Blu-ray player, mostly playing files from PC over DLNA (but CDs play at the same level). Fixed output from player. UMC-200 using manual EQ (tried EmoQ, results were bizarre). So copied down Audyssey settings from the Denon and tweaked from there. Didn't bother with EQ on surrounds, since I listen to music in 2-channel only. Not too concerned whether screeching tires on a movie surround track are properly EQ'd. :-) System sounds fine. Just seems like the amp is working too hard. Downloaded REW and have ordered a calibrated Galaxy SPL meter. Will see what actual SPL is at volume level 50. |
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Post by bootman on Jan 23, 2013 8:43:01 GMT -5
How about a write up on how to properly use the built in PEQs?
Specs, etc.
The current manual pretty much ignores this important feature.
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Post by mathwizard on Jan 23, 2013 21:40:34 GMT -5
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Post by richb on Jan 24, 2013 11:30:47 GMT -5
You only need 2 options: 1) Return to previous volume. 2) Go to preset power-on volume. This could be 0 or any other # you choose. I would always choose a preset volume... -RW- This is a very good feature. But even more important is Max Volume, why: - Runaway remote - keeps sending volume up
- User Selects a blank input keeps turning up the volume, then selects the proper input
- Children... Need I say more.
The results are destroyed speakers and other components. Last time I checked, Emotiva sold very powerful amps... Try as I might to get Emotiva to aknowledge the usefullness of these features, I got no where. Solution: Marantz AV8801 arrives tomorrow - Rich |
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Post by bootman on Jan 24, 2013 12:52:22 GMT -5
Solution: Marantz AV8801 arrives tomorrow - Rich $3K to fix a max volume issue? Not very cost effective. |
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Post by The Mad Norseman on Jan 24, 2013 13:50:32 GMT -5
You only need 2 options: -RW- This is a very good feature. But even more important is Max Volume, why: - Runaway remote - keeps sending volume up
- User Selects a blank input keeps turning up the volume, then selects the proper input
- Children... Need I say more.
The results are destroyed speakers and other components. Last time I checked, Emotiva sold very powerful amps... Solution: Marantz AV8801 arrives tomorrow - Rich You typed: - Runaway remote - keeps sending volume up. - User Selects a blank input keeps turning up the volume, then selects the proper input. - Children...need I say more. I'll add another: - The babysitter's boyfriend,...(I'm sure many of you can visualize this one!).  Great on getting the AV8801! - where are you buying it from? And can you let us in on the cost? Thanks! |
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Post by smfins on Feb 3, 2013 14:03:15 GMT -5
This may have already been answered on here but I'm too lazy to read all the post! It was stated earlier that when The UMC-200 is in HD Master Audio mode it will automatically use PL 11X mode in order to utilize all 7 speakers. What I'm wondering is does this apply for regular Dolby Digital as well? If the signal is DD and it shows PL11X is it basically doing the same thing? Thanks!
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Post by Gary Cook on Feb 3, 2013 19:33:24 GMT -5
I've been holding out on responding, but sometimes you just need to vent...... Buy a decent remote, much cheaper than $3K  Or simply use the preamp remote to kill the input signal  Learn to read the display, it's not all that hard  How about taking responsibility to train yor children, instead of wrapping them up in cotton wool. Not just for hifi but all the other things in their life that they need to be aware of. If you can't trust the babysitter to control the boyfriend then what hope has she got with your untrained kids With great power comes great reponsibility. Cheers Gary |
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Post by garym on Feb 5, 2013 2:10:34 GMT -5
Any word yet on new firmware for the UMC-200?
Previous comments have mentioned that playback and trim settings set in the menu system for each type of input are not retained on power down. Here's another suggestion: with a multi-PCM input the default playback mode is "All Stereo." You cannot select PLIIx. Since most streaming movies are 5.1, that means no rear channels.
On my Denon you can select "Multi-PCM+PLIIx cinema." The receiver will then feed the multi-PCM tracks to the 5.1 channels, and generate the rear channels from the other tracks.
Another useful change would be to allow channel level settings to be set using an external source, such as a PC sound card and REW, rather than the built-in pink noise generator, and permit different settings for each input.
Just a thought.
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Post by davidas6350 on Feb 5, 2013 5:32:43 GMT -5
^ I don't know when the new firmware will be released but with regards to Multi-Ch PCM source, the ALL STEREO mode will play discrete channel to each speakers from 5.1/7.1 source (different from 2CH source).
There's a brief discussion about this in "UMC-200 First Impressions" under page 17, including the built-in test tone.
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Post by garym on Feb 5, 2013 11:43:39 GMT -5
davidas6350 ----
Yes, I know. But it won't allow you to use PLIIx to synthesize the rear channels from a 5.1 source.
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Post by davidas6350 on Feb 5, 2013 13:47:52 GMT -5
Since most streaming movies are 5.1, that means no rear channels. Oh ok... I thought (base on your statement above) you're concern that no surround sound will come out of the rear speakers from 5.1 source. I'm using ALL STEREO mode on 7.1 setup and I do have surround sound coming from the rear speakers. Now, I don't know if those are "synthesize" from the side surround channels (PLIIx) or just copies (like what DTS do on 5.1 source). |
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Post by cwt on Feb 6, 2013 10:25:51 GMT -5
I'm using ALL STEREO mode on 7.1 setup and I do have surround sound coming from the rear speakers. Now, I don't know if those are "synthesize" from the side surround channels (PLIIx) or just copies (like what DTS do on 5.1 source). Hit the display button david and you;le know if its matrixed pl2x . Dolby doesnt have speaker bitmapping in the sense of duplicating l/r surrounds like dts hdma does so if it doesnt say pl2x somethings awry |
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Post by davidas6350 on Feb 6, 2013 15:33:05 GMT -5
^ I don't see how that's gonna show me how the ALL STEREO mode generate the rear channels (or what DSP it's using) on 5.1 source especially since we were talking about Multi-Ch PCM input using the default mode which is "All Stereo."
I made that statement trying to explain the behavior of "All Stereo" mode on Multi-Ch PCM input for my setup. I'll give that a try when I get home but my guess is, it will say "All Stereo" and/or "Multi-Ch PCM" if I press the Display button.
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Post by mathwizard on Feb 8, 2013 7:51:23 GMT -5
I've had my UMC-200 for about a week. With the exception of some of the noted quirks, this is a fantastic unit.
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Post by doc1963 on Feb 8, 2013 10:40:42 GMT -5
I've had my UMC-200 for about a week. With the exception of some of the noted quirks, this is a fantastic unit. I've had my UMC-200 for a little over a month and I would whole heartedly agree with your comment. The only issues that "I" have found (some of which are confirmed as being fixed) are: - Inconsistent levels (L/R louder than C/SL/SR) when using auto setup. Verified by using external setup software (WOW and AIX) and an SPL meter. - No way to permanently adjust level trims outside of "Speaker Level" (which uses, and automatically engages, the internal tones only). - Adjustments to trims in the "TRIMS" menu tab do not remain permanent (nor do they show what the current trim settings are). - Default "modes" do not always make sense. For example, Dolby Digital = "Direct" (which bypasses EQs) - Enhanced Bass is set to "On", by default, regardless of speaker size. - User selected "mode mapping" preferences do not remain permanent. For me, that's it! And having come up through the very early days with my UMC-1, that's nothing major..... ;D |
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Post by cwt on Feb 8, 2013 11:02:48 GMT -5
^ I don't see how that's gonna show me how the ALL STEREO mode generate the rear channels (or what DSP it's using) on 5.1 source especially since we were talking about Multi-Ch PCM input using the default mode which is "All Stereo." Theres only 2 ways you can get 7.1 from a 5.1 source with the 200 david[ leaving aside neo 6s single back surround] ; either dts duplicating the back surround channels or pl2x . To narrow this down ide just go into the playback submenu and change multi pcm to pl2x then flick back to all channel stereo and see if the back surrounds disappear or stay . It happens on the fly iirc All the pre pro's Ive ever sent 5.1 lpcm to have identified any extra dsp mode on top of the raw pcm ; maybe in a future firmware this will happen . I bitstream and hitting display the pl mode comes up at least albeit with a z instead so was a bit surprised this behaviour isnt emulated with multi pcm. |
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Post by avaddikt on Feb 8, 2013 13:43:46 GMT -5
I agree on the center channel level being low.
I find myself often trimming CTR up to 30 or so. Seems I did not have this issue when using Audyssey previously. Distance measured is correct as I find it is for all channels except my sub.
It says my SUB is about 2ft further than the actual physical location. But the sub is against a sidewall, and has a down-firing driver that might explain a difference in response. Bass balance seems just fine, so I don't plan to change that.
Yes & No.
If your speakers are set for SMALL and you notice ENHANCED is ON, click SMALL twice. It will change to LARGE on the first click, and with the 2nd click, back to SMALL and ENHANCED will be OFF.
At least that is my experience. A toggling issue that likely needs to fixed with firmware.
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