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Post by mikoyv on Jan 8, 2013 0:02:47 GMT -5
On a different topic, CES 2013 is out and 4K display seems to be the next big thing. Will UMC-200 support it? is this something that can be added later on through software? This is the only thing that I want to make sure before I purchase. Many moons before 4k material turns up mikoyv but the certified umc200 should pass both 4k varieties according to hdmi.org  www.hdmi.org/manufacturer/hdmi_1_4/hdmi_1_4_faq.aspxhey thanks I learned something new. HDMI 1.4 does support 4k I also sent an email to emotiva and will let you all know. yeah many moons before native 4k. I plan to use Oppo DBP-103 for 4k up-scaling. Below $5,000 4k projector and I'm buying. Just want to make sure my audio gear will support it in the future. |
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Post by AudioHTIT on Jan 8, 2013 0:21:41 GMT -5
hey thanks I learned something new. HDMI 1.4 does support 4k I also sent an email to emotiva and will let you all know. yeah many moons before native 4k. I plan to use Oppo DBP-103 for 4k up-scaling. Below $5,000 4k projector and I'm buying. Just want to make sure my audio gear will support it in the future. I know running through the processor is convenient for switching, but Oppo would tell you to run the 103's HDMI 1 output directly to the HDTV and send HDMI 2 to the UMC-200 - gives you the best calibration with movies too. With a projector that's a little more trouble, but might consider that possibility when choosing one. |
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Post by Brainsick on Jan 8, 2013 1:06:20 GMT -5
The UMC-200 passes through the cideo signal, it doesnt convert it. So i think connecting the Oppo to the UMC-200 should be the same as connecting it straight to the TV.
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Post by AudioHTIT on Jan 8, 2013 1:17:32 GMT -5
The UMC-200 passes through the cideo signal, it doesnt convert it. So i think connecting the Oppo to the UMC-200 should be the same as connecting it straight to the TV. Yes, but Oppo will still recommend you connect directly. It also allows you to calibrate one of the HDTVs inputs specifically for the Oppo. |
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Post by richb on Jan 8, 2013 14:31:18 GMT -5
The UMC-200 passes through the cideo signal, it doesnt convert it. So i think connecting the Oppo to the UMC-200 should be the same as connecting it straight to the TV. Yes, but Oppo will still recommend you connect directly. It also allows you to calibrate one of the HDTVs inputs specifically for the Oppo. I beta test for Oppo and that is not pushed as far as I know. For support reasons, I would recommend that configuration to eliminate the variables. But, no one at Oppo has ever recommended that to me. Many will use the HDMI-1 to the display when it supports 3D and the AVR does not. If you do this, you MUST set the HDMI to SPLIT mode to make sure the HDMI 2 receives all the sound formats supported by your AVR. - Rich |
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Post by AudioHTIT on Jan 9, 2013 0:15:07 GMT -5
Well I first heard it recommended by the Oppo beta testers on AVS, my 93 manual calls it a "recommended method", the 103 manual says " The BDP-103 provides a "Dual HDMI" connection to make sure you can enjoy the highest possible video quality and resolution, in addition to high bit rate audio content." But as you note it goes on to say this method is recommended when the AVR doesn't support 3D.
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Post by mdanderson on Jan 9, 2013 1:37:22 GMT -5
Yes, but Oppo will still recommend you connect directly. It also allows you to calibrate one of the HDTVs inputs specifically for the Oppo. I beta test for Oppo and that is not pushed as far as I know. For support reasons, I would recommend that configuration to eliminate the variables. But, no one at Oppo has ever recommended that to me. Many will use the HDMI-1 to the display when it supports 3D and the AVR does not. If you do this, you MUST set the HDMI to SPLIT mode to make sure the HDMI 2 receives all the sound formats supported by your AVR.- Rich Rich, I have my oppo 93 with this configuration but what do you mean by "split mode?" Thanks. |
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Post by Nemesis.ie on Jan 9, 2013 12:08:52 GMT -5
Yes  Under the Speaker Setup menu you configure those speakers to be height speakers and, once you do, the UMC-200 will know to switch to PLIIz instead of PLIIx. That is very cool. It certainly beats the UMC-1's manual setting. |
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Post by mikoyv on Jan 9, 2013 18:50:56 GMT -5
folks, here is the reply I got from Emotiva....
Thank you for your interest in Emotiva. The UMC-200 is HDMI 1.4 compliant so it does allow for both 3D as well as 4K video pass through. If you have any further questions please let us know. Thank you for your kind consideration.
Nick Kaumeyer
Customer Service
Emotiva Audio Corporation
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Post by vabeachboy on Jan 10, 2013 15:37:58 GMT -5
;D
Got my UMC-200 yesterday evening and spent today, Thursday, setting up the Home Theater. Marvelous gear and it works flawlessly including the EMQ2. The only problem was getting the pass through for 3D DVD. The UMC-200 was not the problem. It was a CEC conflict between my Mitsubishi TV, UMC-200 and my Panasonic Blu-ray. One would tell the others to swap inputs to the other two then vice versa and it was a mobius loop. Solved it by returning to the set-up I had for the UMC-1 which utilized the Blu-ray's dual outputs, one for video direct to TV and the other for input to UMC-200 for audio. Video and audio are great.
Now I can control the volume with the Dish remote!
Kudos to the Emotive engineers doing an excellent job!!!
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Post by richb on Jan 12, 2013 15:03:53 GMT -5
Rich, I have my oppo 93 with this configuration but what do you mean by "split mode?" Thanks.[/quote]
HDMI mode can be either Dual Display or Split.
Dual Display with use only the sound formats in common to both HDMI displays.
Select Split, to send HDMI to your display and HDMI2 to your AVR.
All sound formats available to your AVR will be send via HDMI 2 not matter what your display can use.
- Rich
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Post by sacdukeman on Jan 13, 2013 14:52:55 GMT -5
This is one of those "features" that you don't turn on or off - it's just inherent in how the UMC-200 works. You already know that, when you start playing something, many pre / pros (including the UMC-200) will pick "the best valid mode" to play it in. (So, for example, if you start playing a disc in TrueHD mode, the pre / pro will, by default, play it in TrueHD.) The UMC-200, however, is a bit smarter than everyone else when it does this. The UMC-200 will actually pick the best mode based not only on the source type, but BASED ON YOUR SPEAKER SETUP. So, for example, if you only have two speakers, and play a TrueHD source, the UMC-200 will default to playing it in stereo, which is the best mode to use with the speakers you have connected. If you play a TrueHD source, and you have 7 speakers and a sub, the UMC-200 will come up as PLIIx (which may seem slightly confusing). What's actually happening in that case is that the UMC-200 "knows" that you have seven speakers (and TrueHD is only providing five channels), so the UMC-200 is playing that source in TrueHD + PLIIx, which plays the main five channels in full TrueHD, but uses PLIIx to derive surround audio for your rear surrounds, so you get surround from all your speakers. Of course, you can still change the mode to a different one if you prefer and, if the UMC-200 is set to Last Used, it will use the mode you selected last for that type input the next time it sees it. Also, of course, this will only work if you (or EmoQ) has told the UMC-200 which speakers you have actually connected. EmoQ will do this automatically. If you don't run EmoQ, then you need to go into the Speaker Setup menu and set the speakers that aren't really there to "None". If you change the mode to a specific playback option on one occasion, how do you return it to the default/auto mode for the future? |
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Post by hitecredneck on Jan 17, 2013 23:13:08 GMT -5
will the umc-1 metal remote work with the umc-200?
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Post by edrummereasye on Jan 21, 2013 15:31:32 GMT -5
Posting from my phone...I hate Comcast...
Finally got a chance to start setting up my UMC-200. Am I correct that all the non-HDMI inputs have the 'Video' setting locked to 'Last'?
I can kind of understand this, since theres no video processing...but I am completely spoiled by the flexibility of the UMC-1 in this area...
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Post by hemster on Jan 21, 2013 15:48:25 GMT -5
will the umc-1 metal remote work with the umc-200? Best if you email Emotiva Support at support@emotiva.com with this question. FWIW, I somehow doubt that the 2 remotes work interchangeably but I don't know this definitively other than trying to turn ON and OFF my UMC-200 with the UMC-1 remote: it didn't work. BTW, I tried both the plastic and metal UMC-1 remotes to no avail. |
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Post by garym on Jan 21, 2013 16:16:57 GMT -5
The UMC-200, however, is a bit smarter than everyone else when it does this. The UMC-200 will actually pick the best mode based not only on the source type, but BASED ON YOUR SPEAKER SETUP. It may be too smart for its own good. I use my system 90/10 music/movies. Each time it powers up it sets the PCM input mode back to PLIIx, which I then have to switch back to STEREO. I understood from the manual that it would save the settings set via the menu system for each mode. Is there any way to force it to do so? It also does not save TRIM settings set via the menu system. So those also have to be re-adjusted at each power-on. (I usually set the center channel to about +3 db for movies). It does save manual EQ settings, however. |
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Post by doc1963 on Jan 21, 2013 16:49:55 GMT -5
The UMC-200, however, is a bit smarter than everyone else when it does this. The UMC-200 will actually pick the best mode based not only on the source type, but BASED ON YOUR SPEAKER SETUP. It may be too smart for its own good. I use my system 90/10 music/movies. Each time it powers up it sets the PCM input mode back to PLIIx, which I then have to switch back to STEREO. I understood from the manual that it would save the settings set via the menu system for each mode. Is there any way to force it to do so? It also does not save TRIM settings set via the menu system. So those also have to be re-adjusted at each power-on. (I usually set the center channel to about +3 db for movies). It does save manual EQ settings, however. Yes and no, you "can" save your selected presets for each mode, but for right now, it's broken and will be fixed in the first firmware update due out shortly. As for the "trims", in an email exchange that I had with Keith, he stated to me that the manual is actually wrong and that adjustments made in the TRIMS menu panel are NOT permanent. However, I personally believe the contrary should be true. We already have "temporary" trims by using the buttons on the remote. Why would we not want the trim adjustments that we set in the menu to be permanent...? The TRIMS menu panel in the UMC-200 seems to me what "should" be an exact carryover of the PARAMETERS menu of the UMC-1 (since there are items in the UMC-200's TRIMS menu that have nothing to do with "trims"). That being the case, the functionality should be exactly the same. With the UMC-1, any adjustments made to the trims in the PARAMETERS menu are, in fact, permanent. Why should it not also function that way in the UMC-200? As it stands, for those of us who use disc based calibration tones to either setup or "fine tune" the individual channels, there is NO way to conveniently save them on the UMC-200. In the UMC-200, the only "permanent" adjustments are made using the SPEAKER LEVEL menu in which the internal tones are automatically engaged with no way to turn them off. IMO, that really should be looked at and re-evaluated. |
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Post by garym on Jan 21, 2013 18:18:54 GMT -5
Yes and no, you "can" save your selected presets for each mode, but for right now, it's broken and will be fixed in the first firmware update due out shortly. That would be OK then. As for the "trims", in an email exchange that I had with Keith, he stated to me that the manual is wrong in that adjustments made in the TRIMS menu panel are permanent. However, I personally believe the contrary should be true. Agree. This question may belong in another thread, but since you have an XPA-2 I'll ask here. :-) I'm using that amp for the mains. What volume settings are you using for "normal" listening levels? I'm needing 50 to get levels comparable to the "0db" level on my Denon AVR-1712 (a level subjectively about the same as a live jazz combo in a small club). That is with the INPUT LEVEL for HDMI set to +5 db. I've read a few comments here suggesting the others with that amp rarely need to exceed 25-30. On my system that would be inaudible outside the room. My speakers are fairly efficient, rated 90 db SPL. |
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Post by garym on Jan 21, 2013 18:54:35 GMT -5
Just discovered another prob with UMC-200. Setting PCM playback mode to "Stereo" leaves the rear speakers on. Surrounds and center channels go off. (Setting "All Stereo" turns them all on). Only apparent way to shut off the rears is to shut off their amp.
Also, the rears do not appear on the menu for Manual EQ. They do appear on the Test Tones menu and Trim menu.
What gives?
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Post by doc1963 on Jan 21, 2013 19:16:39 GMT -5
This question may belong in another thread, but since you have an XPA-2 I'll ask here. :-) I'm using that amp for the mains. What volume settings are you using for "normal" listening levels? I'm needing 50 to get levels comparable to the "0db" level on my Denon AVR-1712 (a level subjectively about the same as a live jazz combo in a small club). That is with the INPUT LEVEL for HDMI set to +5 db. I've read a few comments here suggesting the others with that amp rarely need to exceed 25-30. On my system that would be inaudible outside the room. My speakers are fairly efficient, rated 90 db SPL. Hmm.... "50" in my setup achieves a nearly perfect Dolby reference level of 75 dB. However, I had to trim my L/R channels (which are driven by my XPA-2) back by about 4-5 dB to match the C/SL/SR which are driven by my XPA-3. EmoQ (auto setup) should have done that itself, but (for reasons unknown to me) it didn't. I have no boosts applied to the inputs, but "50" can become quite loud with most soundtracks. How did you set your system up (EmoQ or manually)? What is your source? If your source has its own volume control, is it disabled (fixed) or, at least, set to "max"? Different systems can vary widely, depending upon how we set them up individually, but if you're not hitting a comfortable level at "50" using an XPA-2 (and a 5 dB boost applied to the input), then something is surely amiss....  |
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