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Post by bosshogg on Jan 28, 2014 22:24:29 GMT -5
Behringer headphone pre amp and an hdmi to analog audio converter and use the second hdmi output on the 7030. Kind of a weird setup but the only work around I know to get DTSHD-MA and Dolby TrueHD to headphones. I think Sony makes some surround wireless headphones that have an HDMI imput and process all the lossless codecs but they are pricey. Or you could buy a bottom of the line mainstream receiver and use that with the second hdmi output on the 7030.
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Post by swampfire on Jan 29, 2014 19:25:49 GMT -5
Headphones are an insult to my XPA-5. I've learned to tune out the banging and yelling from upstairs.
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Post by Nodscene on Jan 29, 2014 19:39:50 GMT -5
I'll be the lucky owner of the PT-7030 in two days if UPS is correct. Couldn't pass up on the warehouse sale (total around $830CAN all inclusive). I'm already aware of it's issues but since I'm coming from a UMC-1 it should still be an improvement haha. Not to mention I'll be able to sell that along with a couple Rotel RB-970BX's and almost have it paid off. Can't wait to try it out and hear if there will be some sonic differences.
I've gone though all 37 pages and have made a list of things to be wary of or just general setup stuff but if someone has anything to offer please chime it. I'll be using it along with a first gen UPA-7 and Angstrom speakers (Mod 4's plus all the other surround stuff).
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Post by creimes on Jan 29, 2014 21:19:44 GMT -5
I'll be the lucky owner of the PT-7030 in two days if UPS is correct. Couldn't pass up on the warehouse sale (total around $830CAN all inclusive). I'm already aware of it's issues but since I'm coming from a UMC-1 it should still be an improvement haha. Not to mention I'll be able to sell that along with a couple Rotel RB-970BX's and almost have it paid off. Can't wait to try it out and hear if there will be some sonic differences. I've gone though all 37 pages and have made a list of things to be wary of or just general setup stuff but if someone has anything to offer please chime it. I'll be using it along with a first gen UPA-7 and Angstrom speakers (Mod 4's plus all the other surround stuff). I find the analog stage/path to be amazing considering it is a 7.1 processor, I have my Oppo 103 connected both HDMI and 5.1 analog out to 7030's un-balanced 7.1 input and I think I prefer the analog connection, and while I know many prefer to adjust the PEQ manual room correction I am very happy with the sound in my acoustically treated room. Chad |
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Post by Nodscene on Jan 29, 2014 22:47:45 GMT -5
Yeah, I keep hearing that and it was part of my decision to get it. I have an older Oppo (BDP-83) and will try the analogue like you mentioned. Unfortunately I don't have any room treatments so I'll more that likely have to do some tweaking.
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Post by doogietool on Feb 1, 2014 0:11:13 GMT -5
I'll be the lucky owner of the PT-7030 in two days if UPS is correct. Couldn't pass up on the warehouse sale (total around $830CAN all inclusive). I'm already aware of it's issues but since I'm coming from a UMC-1 it should still be an improvement haha. Not to mention I'll be able to sell that along with a couple Rotel RB-970BX's and almost have it paid off. Can't wait to try it out and hear if there will be some sonic differences. I've gone though all 37 pages and have made a list of things to be wary of or just general setup stuff but if someone has anything to offer please chime it. I'll be using it along with a first gen UPA-7 and Angstrom speakers (Mod 4's plus all the other surround stuff). I think you'll be happy with it overall but it is glitchy for lack of a better word. I hope they can fix these issues that I've mentioned in earlier post. The latest I've experienced is the switching audio formats all by itself (ghost in the machine - kinda stuff) I'm listening to 5ch mode and then switch tracks (ps3) and it goes to multichannel mode??? Mmmm I don't remember switching it. When other people in the room are listening to music and hear the 1st second or so. (Depending on how the track was made) cut off, they say "why does it do that"?.......grrrrrr Let me know what your experience is with it once you've used it for a day or two. Anyway, I really haven't had time to get down and dirty with it yet. I'm running an XPA-2 and XPA-3 with 4 Polk RTi150's (to me older versions of the RTi9's). |
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Post by Nodscene on Feb 1, 2014 13:39:27 GMT -5
I'll be the lucky owner of the PT-7030 in two days if UPS is correct. Couldn't pass up on the warehouse sale (total around $830CAN all inclusive). I'm already aware of it's issues but since I'm coming from a UMC-1 it should still be an improvement haha. Not to mention I'll be able to sell that along with a couple Rotel RB-970BX's and almost have it paid off. Can't wait to try it out and hear if there will be some sonic differences. I've gone though all 37 pages and have made a list of things to be wary of or just general setup stuff but if someone has anything to offer please chime it. I'll be using it along with a first gen UPA-7 and Angstrom speakers (Mod 4's plus all the other surround stuff). I think you'll be happy with it overall but it is glitchy for lack of a better word. I hope they can fix these issues that I've mentioned in earlier post. The latest I've experienced is the switching audio formats all by itself (ghost in the machine - kinda stuff) I'm listening to 5ch mode and then switch tracks (ps3) and it goes to multichannel mode??? Mmmm I don't remember switching it. When other people in the room are listening to music and hear the 1st second or so. (Depending on how the track was made) cut off, they say "why does it do that"?.......grrrrrr Let me know what your experience is with it once you've used it for a day or two. Anyway, I really haven't had time to get down and dirty with it yet. I'm running an XPA-2 and XPA-3 with 4 Polk RTi150's (to me older versions of the RTi9's). I just got the unit yesterday and plan on getting it hooked up today at some point. I know there are some glitches that they just won't be able to fix. The 1 sec of audio being cut off is one of them as it's a limitation of the chipset. I believe that's one of the reasons they are using a TI chip in the XMC-1. It actually doesn't bother me at all, probably because I'm used to it. Not sure if you've read this whole thread but there are some potential work arounds for that issue. Don't want to have a super long post and paste everything but in essence you can try the following... "The PT-7030 mutes its audio outputs for 1-6 seconds every time the digital audio signal is interrupted and restarted. The delay varies depending on the bitstream codec complexity. This muting typically happens when returning from a commercial break, unpausing a DVR, or starting playback of a new program. However there are three input modes that don't cause the PT-7030 to mute: 1. HDMI, using Multichannel PCM (any bitrate) 2. SPDIF, using 2CH PCM at 44.1kHz (i.e. “CD quality music”) 3. Analog" Sorry that I can't identify who originally wrong this as I was just copying and pasting stuff for my own use as I was reading this thread. Hope it helps you out. So I fully expect certain issue as I said. I just hope it's better than the UMC-1 when it comes to losing center channel or sub, no audio till after reboot etc. The UMC-1 does not play very well with the Mede8er 1000X3D. Plus there should be a decent (or at least hopefully noticable) sound improvement not to mention it's a little more future proof with HDMI 1.4 and two HDMI outs. Can't forget the bluetooth either, although that might be a bit of a one trick pony as I can just stream all my music from my Mede8er. I'll update the thread once I've gotten a chance to listen to it. I fully expect it to sound better as it breaks in more. I know there are some who are skeptical about these things but I notice a very big difference in my UPA-7 after about a week (bass was really low plus a bit sloppy and it was bright before it settled down) |
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Post by Nodscene on Feb 2, 2014 1:34:04 GMT -5
Quick update...I got a chance to listen to some tunes, watch tv and about to watch a movie. So far I'm extremely impressed with the sound. I've found it's made a fairly dramatic improvement in almost all aspects over the UMC-1, more than I was expecting to be honest which is quite impressive as the UMC-1 had already greatly improved the SQ over my previous setup. There is more dimensionallity now, vocals seem to hover mid way into the room and music has a more "live" aspect to it. I'm also able to make out sounds that were either lost before or very faint, they have more presence and life to them (and not in a bad way, just more representative of the original recording). Very, very happy with this purchase.
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Post by cwt on Feb 2, 2014 1:35:43 GMT -5
The latest I've experienced is the switching audio formats all by itself (ghost in the machine - kinda stuff) I'm listening to 5ch mode and then switch tracks (ps3) and it goes to multichannel mode??? Mmmm I don't remember switching it. When other people in the room are listening to music and hear the 1st second or so. (Depending on how the track was made) cut off, they say "why does it do that"?.......grrrrrr Let me know what your experience is with it once you've used it for a day or two. That sounds strange doogie ; it should only go to multichannel mode if your sending it decoded lpcm . 5ch mode is available when your sending a bitstream instead and isnt available with multichannel. Maybe try a different source or play around with the ps3 decoding ; dont own one but there are multiple options ; do you have a sp dif setup as well ? edit ; thats great to hear nodscene ; to give you some idea of the value ; it was still available recently in Aus for $5000 odd before the amalgamation  |
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Post by doogietool on Feb 2, 2014 13:02:12 GMT -5
The latest I've experienced is the switching audio formats all by itself (ghost in the machine - kinda stuff) I'm listening to 5ch mode and then switch tracks (ps3) and it goes to multichannel mode??? Mmmm I don't remember switching it. When other people in the room are listening to music and hear the 1st second or so. (Depending on how the track was made) cut off, they say "why does it do that"?.......grrrrrr Let me know what your experience is with it once you've used it for a day or two. That sounds strange doogie ; it should only go to multichannel mode if your sending it decoded lpcm . 5ch mode is available when your sending a bitstream instead and isnt available with multichannel. Maybe try a different source or play around with the ps3 decoding ; dont own one but there are multiple options ; do you have a sp dif setup as well ? edit ; thats great to hear nodscene ; to give you some idea of the value ; it was still available recently in Aus for $5000 odd before the amalgamation Yeah it was really strange. I know it temporarily goes to multichannel mode when between sources but this particular track change took a little longer than normal and then when the track started it never went back to 5ch where I had it. I did think about the different decoding within the ps3 and to be fair I haven't tried other sources other than the ps3 and my direct TV DVR/box etc. I had to do a reboot last night after trying to watch a bluray movie, it kept trying to make the switch and was never able to and then I couldn't get my ps3 back to music ( well it could have gone back to music but couldn't tell because the screen was black). So, I restarted everything and it worked. Like I said, I'm trying to be fair to the PT 7030 but everyday seems like something new happens.... It just seems to me that a product of this caliber shouldn't have these what I like to think of as basic functionality issues. I never had the UMC1 and I'm coming from a Denon 2809ci which had none of these issues....yes the Sherbourn sound quality is much much better for simplicity sake here in this thread but I guess I want my cake and to eat it too. |
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Post by swampfire on Feb 3, 2014 14:59:57 GMT -5
Decode at the source, send LPCM to the PT-7030, experience audio bliss. :-)
My next upgrade will be a set of Ascend Sierras with RAAL (L/C/R). I've been tempted by the XSP-1, but it's really hard to justify when my PT-7030 is so good at stereo already.
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Post by vadym on Feb 3, 2014 15:12:05 GMT -5
Hi guys,
I used PT 7030 with XPA-5 for one week. The sound is good but the balance between channels is not correct in my case. I hear the vocal and overall scena more closer to the right front no matter of inputs and gears. In the Level Calibration menu all channels were set the same 0db only sub +6db.
If I change the left and right xlr outputs only from the pt 7030 the balance is closer to the opposite (left) side.
So I see it is a problem of PT 7030 but not amp, not room etc.
Have anybody got the same issue or it is only my proc is bad. I have read about sub level here but nobody said about different levels of fronts.
I think that all channels must be the same from factory setting but they are not.
With my previous HK 235 I had not that disbalance ( all channels were at 0db).
Could somebody comments it.
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Post by Nodscene on Feb 3, 2014 16:49:31 GMT -5
I don't have that problem, or at least I don't think I do. Since my speakers are at different distances I had to calibrate the levels to make them sound even. I personally wouldn't worry about it especially if it's just off by a db or two. There could be a multitude of reason why that's happneing but I guess it's up to you to decide how much of an issue it really is. All I know is that my system has never sounded this good and there is no way I'm letting this processor out of my house unless it's on fire haha.
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Post by moovtune on Feb 3, 2014 16:54:33 GMT -5
Setting all channels to "0" doesn't necessarily mean everything will be perfectly balanced. It depends on the room, speaker placement, location of walls and furniture etc. Ideally you need a sound pressure meter and play test tones, measured from the sweet spot and adjust the levels until they are equal on the meter - which may not be "0" from all speakers.
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Post by vadym on Feb 3, 2014 17:05:20 GMT -5
Setting all channels to "0" doesn't necessarily mean everything will be perfectly balanced. It depends on the room, speaker placement, location of walls and furniture etc. Ideally you need a sound pressure meter and play test tones, measured from the sweet spot and adjust the levels until they are equal on the meter - which may not be "0" from all speakers. I changed the left and right XLR cables on pros and the balance changed to opposite side. |
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Post by moovtune on Feb 3, 2014 17:55:06 GMT -5
That would make sense.. If the left side needed to be boosted to match the louder right side (to center the image between the speakers) and you switch the cables around - now the right side has to be boosted to match the louder left side.
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Post by vadym on Feb 4, 2014 6:33:58 GMT -5
That would make sense.. If the left side needed to be boosted to match the louder right side (to center the image between the speakers) and you switch the cables around - now the right side has to be boosted to match the louder left side. So, my conclusion is: the proc`s channels is not calibrated on the factory. I should add +3db to the left front to addition +6 - +10 db for Sub in specially prepared room. It is not HI-End, it is not HI-FI. I used a lot of hi-fi before. Some of them costed $300 and was crafted in China. But the balance between fronts was good because it is a basis of STEREO. |
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Post by moovtune on Feb 4, 2014 9:56:46 GMT -5
I'm not clear on how you are testing the levels and coming to that conclusion. It would be rare for any processor (calibrated correctly internally) to be hooked up in a room - have the owner set all levels to "0" and then have all channels sound perfectly balanced (or measure on a sound pressure meter as equal). Even if all speakers were the same and placed equal distances from the "sweet spot". The room, furniture, carpets, etc. will effect the levels. In my processor I have to boost the right channel 1 db over the left, even though they are exactly the same distance from my measuring spot. If you're saying though that you have to boost your left +9 db - then you're right, something is not correct somewhere.
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Post by vadym on Feb 4, 2014 13:50:20 GMT -5
I'm not clear on how you are testing the levels and coming to that conclusion. It would be rare for any processor (calibrated correctly internally) to be hooked up in a room - have the owner set all levels to "0" and then have all channels sound perfectly balanced (or measure on a sound pressure meter as equal). Even if all speakers were the same and placed equal distances from the "sweet spot". The room, furniture, carpets, etc. will effect the levels. In my processor I have to boost the right channel 1 db over the left, even though they are exactly the same distance from my measuring spot. If you're saying though that you have to boost your left +9 db - then you're right, something is not correct somewhere. Imagine next situation. You have been listen to the music 15 years in your room. You have two perfect stereo amps (now i have the third XPA-5) and reference CD player and very good front acoustic systems. You know how yours favorite CDs must sound. You set new component PT 7030 in the system and hear that overall stage was shifted to the right. You started with another discs and recieve the same result. You feel something is wrong. Making experiments with switching cables, amps, sources I found the weak unit. Or before setting PT 7030 everything was wrong. |
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Post by moovtune on Feb 4, 2014 14:02:54 GMT -5
Sounds like the 7030 is not for you. You have to like what you hear or it's no fun.
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