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Post by teaman on Sept 6, 2013 23:03:18 GMT -5
Okay, so I just received my second set of amp and pre amp today. Set it up and I am really enjoying it. I already own an XPA-2 (Gen 1), XDA-2 and ERC-2. This time around to this point I have a XPA-2 (Second Gen) and the XDA-2 with an older Technics CD player. I know the amp has not really even had time to break in after only five hours I played it today but this second gen XPA-2 seems to have a better low end. More bass feel and maybe even a bit more clarity. I hesitated buying one during the Summer Sale but could not coax myself out of buying during the equally enticing Emofest special.
So far I am loving it and am really looking forward to the next gen Emo Cd player to round out my second system. Hoping everyone who is sitting on the fence about the XPA-2 that decides to make the purchase enjoys it as much as me!
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Post by novisnick on Sept 7, 2013 18:54:00 GMT -5
Hi, I'm really glad you like your setup. I think all of Emos amps must be very good, for I have listened to a few. That said I went with the XPA-1L s and am extremely happy with them, I have come no where near the top end but have found there comes a point where the amp reaches its break- in point and Howdie! There it is! A level of optimal
Sound that is beautiful. I cant wait till you achieve it! You'll just notice one day, Hey what happened , That sounds Great! Enjoy your equipment and our hobby,
Nick,
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Post by teaman on Sept 10, 2013 9:12:28 GMT -5
Thanks Nick, I know what you mean. My first gen XPA-2 has reached that sweet point. I look forward to once this system breaks in. So far though, really sounding good out of the box. Comparably so that my friend cannot decipher any significant difference in sound from his Bryston B4.
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Post by Golden Ear on Sept 13, 2013 11:54:24 GMT -5
Thanks Nick, I know what you mean. My first gen XPA-2 has reached that sweet point. I look forward to once this system breaks in. So far though, really sounding good out of the box. Comparably so that my friend cannot decipher any significant difference in sound from his Bryston B4. This really throw me out of proportion since when did electrical need break in to sound good? The sound signature does not change no matter how many hours you use them and your ear get adjusted to new sound. My XDA-2 never changes its sound signature even after many hours of operation. It's sound same since the first time I turn it on. |
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Post by Porscheguy on Sept 13, 2013 12:16:16 GMT -5
Most of the changes in Gen 1 to Gen 2 are cosmetic. That's what you do as a product ages, it gets a freshening  You know the old "New And Improved". It was already a very good amp. It does have a better SN ratio than Gen 1 but the circuit topology is the same. The placebo effect is alive and well.... |
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Post by deltadube on Sept 13, 2013 13:06:41 GMT -5
Most of the changes in Gen 1 to Gen 2 are cosmetic. That's what you do as a product ages, it gets a freshening You know the old "New And Improved". It was already a very good amp. It does have a better SN ratio than Gen 1 but the circuit topology is the same. The placebo effect is alive and well.... ive be wondering if people could hear a difference.. teaman is the 1st ive seen who has both tho... he likes the bass improvement .. ? you think just placebo effect Ed? cheers |
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Post by Jim on Sept 13, 2013 13:08:34 GMT -5
Most of the changes in Gen 1 to Gen 2 are cosmetic. That's what you do as a product ages, it gets a freshening You know the old "New And Improved". It was already a very good amp. It does have a better SN ratio than Gen 1 but the circuit topology is the same. The placebo effect is alive and well.... How do you know that they didn't decide to do away with flat frequency response on the XPA-2 Gen 1 (like ALL Emo amps) and add a nice big low end boost??  It's possible..... OK, no, not really at all. Never.  |
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Post by Porscheguy on Sept 13, 2013 15:42:33 GMT -5
I just think (myself included) we hear what we want to hear. I think all Emo amps more or less sound the same. They all have the same circuit topology use much of the same circuit board design and other parts and pieces. That's not a bad thing. They are very neutral and powerful from top to bottom. That's what you want (or at least I do) |
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Post by novisnick on Sept 13, 2013 15:46:17 GMT -5
Thanks Nick, I know what you mean. My first gen XPA-2 has reached that sweet point. I look forward to once this system breaks in. So far though, really sounding good out of the box. Comparably so that my friend cannot decipher any significant difference in sound from his Bryston B4. This really throw me out of proportion since when did electrical need break in to sound good? The sound signature does not change no matter how many hours you use them and your ear get adjusted to new sound. My XDA-2 never changes its sound signature even after many hours of operation. It's sound same since the first time I turn it on. Break in , The time in witch the heating and cooling of said device tempers. All that creaking and popping of the XPA-1Ls made during the systematic tempering of the device. After some time, specific to each device, the parts seat themselves. I did notice a point where the sound did change. Weather you believe me or not is up to you. Good day my friends |
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Post by garbulky on Sept 13, 2013 16:24:58 GMT -5
I notice a difference in sound with warm up.
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Post by frenchyfranky on Sept 14, 2013 10:21:42 GMT -5
I notice a difference in sound with warm up. With every audio setup I had, I notice a difference between cold and warm up. |
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Post by monkumonku on Sept 14, 2013 10:28:24 GMT -5
I notice a difference in sound with warm up. With every audio setup I had, I notice a difference between cold and warm up. You mean your ears warm up?  |
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Post by Golden Ear on Sept 14, 2013 10:45:27 GMT -5
This really throw me out of proportion since when did electrical need break in to sound good? The sound signature does not change no matter how many hours you use them and your ear get adjusted to new sound. My XDA-2 never changes its sound signature even after many hours of operation. It's sound same since the first time I turn it on. Break in , The time in witch the heating and cooling of said device tempers. All that creaking and popping of the XPA-1Ls made during the systematic tempering of the device. After some time, specific to each device, the parts seat themselves. I did notice a point where the sound did change. Weather you believe me or not is up to you. Good day my friends If there a change in sound meaning you can measure it whether if there were changed in frequency response, SNR, etc or just a placebo effect. All the claim of changes in sound can only be a facts if can be prove by measurement. If the measurement say there were no changed and you say there was then your claim is invalid. |
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Post by novisnick on Sept 14, 2013 10:49:56 GMT -5
Is there a God?
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Post by frenchyfranky on Sept 14, 2013 10:58:55 GMT -5
With every audio setup I had, I notice a difference between cold and warm up. You mean your ears warm up? I know, for a lot of peoples it sounds like that, but for me and many other peoples it's different, so it's an old debate, who have the right answer? Maybe some technical measurements have been made between cold and warm up condition on differents audio gears and some one can show us the results to definitely demistify this clue ( This bait is for you Keith. Also, maybe a suggestion for an article ; "The truth about the warm up and the break in" ). |
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Post by drtrey3 on Sept 14, 2013 12:54:24 GMT -5
I really do not see the benefit or profit in telling someone else what they hear. Especially not in rude terms.
Trey
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Post by Golden Ear on Sept 14, 2013 12:54:36 GMT -5
Whether you believe that or not it's up to you. For those people who have seen him during that time, they claim it was true based on "eye witness" by seeing him performing miracle right infront of their eyes. If only one person claiming that, it will be questionable but if there were many people claiming that then it maybe valid reason to believe. There were no pictures or video to prove because they haven't been invented yet. If you tell me you're superman, I will only believe you if you can fly and lift building and mountain.  |
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Post by novisnick on Sept 14, 2013 13:06:19 GMT -5
I assume you by your reply, if YOU do not see it or can not measure it , then it cannot be. I beg to differ , something get better with age, break in, just MHO
Good day
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Post by monkumonku on Sept 14, 2013 15:04:48 GMT -5
Whether you believe that or not it's up to you. For those people who have seen him during that time, they claim it was true based on "eye witness" by seeing him performing miracle right infront of their eyes. If only one person claiming that, it will be questionable but if there were many people claiming that then it maybe valid reason to believe. There were no pictures or video to prove because they haven't been invented yet. If you tell me you're superman, I will only believe you if you can fly and lift building and mountain. Also, Superman would be able to hear even the most minute differences between DAC's and would be an excellent subject for a blind test. |
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Post by monkumonku on Sept 14, 2013 15:10:31 GMT -5
You mean your ears warm up? I know, for a lot of peoples it sounds like that, but for me and many other peoples it's different, so it's an old debate, who have the right answer? Maybe some technical measurements have been made between cold and warm up condition on differents audio gears and some one can show us the results to definitely demistify this clue ( This bait is for you Keith. Also, maybe a suggestion for an article ; "The truth about the warm up and the break in" ). Well, warm up could be real or not, plus it depends on the electronics, but one point I'd like to make is that in a case in which someone feels that their equipment sounds better because it has "warmed up," then they are relying on their memory for this statement. Let's say that you wake up in the morning and get out of bed. It's a bit chilly because you've been under the blanket all night and then you walk to the bathroom to get ready for the day and so you feel chilly. You shower, brush your teeth, etc., and then an hour later, let's say the temperature in the house is still the same as it was when you woke up. Are you going to be able to say that the temp is the same or would you think it had changed? Or, what if you go out jogging/running for a few miles but the temperature doesn't change. Would you be able to make a correct statement about the temperature as it was before you ran versus after? Another thing.. why would warm up necessarily make equipment sound better rather than making it sound worse? |
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You know the old "New And Improved". It was already a very good amp. It does have a better SN ratio than Gen 1 but the circuit topology is the same. 
