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Post by bosshogg on Sept 27, 2013 13:30:26 GMT -5
Thanks for the info Lonnie. We want it to be right also. Bosshogg, you can turn on the rear speakers (even if you don't have any) and you should get stereo surrounds on DTS-HDM 5.1 material. It's the 7.1 material where you may lose the back info if it doesn't matrix into the surrounds correctly because of the issue. Yes I have been doing this any time I watch a movie with DTSHD-MA.... I do not leave it on for other modes because it screws up things like PLII changes to PLIIX and splits some surround info to the surround back which I do not have. Is there a discrete IR code to turn the surround back speakers on and off?
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Post by Lonnie on Sept 27, 2013 14:24:40 GMT -5
Awesome Lonnie...thank you for the update! Is using the rs232 port an option you guys use in the tech dept? The only thing we use the RS232 for is control. When we program the units we use the JTAG Lonnie
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Post by phonetic on Sept 27, 2013 14:40:11 GMT -5
Nice...direct route.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 27, 2013 15:02:00 GMT -5
I just tested my 7020A with Firmware 14 using the AIX Records Audio Calibration Disc and I wanted to make sure I am doing this correctly. I have a 5.1 system and in the 7020, the back surrounds are set to "None" Oppo 95 is sending via Bitstream and I tested the 7.1 mixes of TrueHD and DTS-MA. With the test for TrueHD, the channels were each identified correctly and when it tested the back surrounds, they were downmixed into each of the L/R surrounds. When testing the DTS-MA, the channels were identified correctly, but with the back surrounds there was no sound from the L/R surrounds, so it was not downmixing it. Am I doing something wrong?
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Post by moovtune on Sept 27, 2013 15:41:12 GMT -5
Probably not doing something wrong, but you may have discovered a more in-depth issue with the way the 7020 handles DTS-HDM. Especially since the True HD rear tones were redirected to the surrounds and the rear DTS-HDM tones weren't. Thanks for finding that. Emotiva should explore that before issuing the firmware .14 in case they have another thing to fix.
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Post by KeithL on Sept 27, 2013 23:51:36 GMT -5
We are looking into all of this, and we will get to the bottom of it... However, I must reiterate... according to DTS (who is the only actual "authority" on the issue), the way DTSHD-MA is decoded by v.11 of the firmware PASSED CERTIFICATION. In other words, according to DTS, the guys who invented the standard and certify all products that use it, it WASN'T and ISN'T broken. We said that we were decoding DTSHD-MA as required by the standard, and the guys who wrote the standard, and who certify products to meet it - agree. Many standards these days have variations and optional choices (which is why you can have a Blu-Ray disc that complies with the current Profile 2 standard that won't play on a player that ALSO complies 100% with the same standard). This was discussed quite a long time ago, and at that time we did NOT consider it to be a problem - or schedule it to be "fixed". However, in the course of other firmware updates, our software development team noticed that the handling of the surround channels seemed to be "less than optimal", and decided to modify it to be more in line with normal expectations. Since it wasn't a "bug" scheduled to be fixed anyway, they didn't make a big point of bringing the change to our attention. Since we didn't consider this (v.14) to be a critical or mandatory update, we hadn't planned to make a big deal out of it. We "rolled" the update out to production units, and proceeded to test the update package. As we said, we've been testing it, and we've encountered a few problems, NOT in the firmware itself, but in the update distribution package that we need to use so that end users can install it on their units. Since we hadn't expected to have any problems, this delayed the final release OF THE END USER UPDATE for a few more days. We do apologize for making some of you so worried... it'll be there soon... We will announce the update and put it up for download just as soon as it is tested and working properly. And, at that point, we will explain exactly what's going on with DTS-HDM. Have a little patience.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 28, 2013 0:25:17 GMT -5
We are looking into all of this, and we will get to the bottom of it... However, I must reiterate... according to DTS (who is the only actual "authority" on the issue), the way DTSHD-MA is decoded by v.11 of the firmware PASSED CERTIFICATION. In other words, according to DTS, the guys who invented the standard and certify all products that use it, it WASN'T and ISN'T broken. We said that we were decoding DTSHD-MA as required by the standard, and the guys who wrote the standard, and who certify products to meet it - agree. Many standards these days have variations and optional choices (which is why you can have a Blu-Ray disc that complies with the current Profile 2 standard that won't play on a player that ALSO complies 100% with the same standard). This was discussed quite a long time ago, and at that time we did NOT consider it to be a problem - or schedule it to be "fixed". However, in the course of other firmware updates, our software development team noticed that the handling of the surround channels seemed to be "less than optimal", and decided to modify it to be more in line with normal expectations. Since it wasn't a "bug" scheduled to be fixed anyway, they didn't make a big point of bringing the change to our attention. Since we didn't consider this (v.14) to be a critical or mandatory update, we hadn't planned to make a big deal out of it. We "rolled" the update out to production units, and proceeded to test the update package. As we said, we've been testing it, and we've encountered a few problems, NOT in the firmware itself, but in the update distribution package that we need to use so that end users can install it on their units. Since we hadn't expected to have any problems, this delayed the final release OF THE END USER UPDATE for a few more days. We do apologize for making some of you so worried... it'll be there soon... We will announce the update and put it up for download just as soon as it is tested and working properly. And, at that point, we will explain exactly what's going on with DTS-HDM. Have a little patience. Keith, I have not had this issue with other processors (3 different models) so I don't understand your position when you say that it isn't broken or that you do not consider it to be a problem with the 7020. Does the UMC-200 or the Sherbourn 7030 handle DTS-MA this way? I have ver 14 on my unit,, will the new firmware change the way my unit handles DTS-MA?
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Post by bosshogg on Sept 28, 2013 2:24:01 GMT -5
We are looking into all of this, and we will get to the bottom of it... However, I must reiterate... according to DTS (who is the only actual "authority" on the issue), the way DTSHD-MA is decoded by v.11 of the firmware PASSED CERTIFICATION. In other words, according to DTS, the guys who invented the standard and certify all products that use it, it WASN'T and ISN'T broken. We said that we were decoding DTSHD-MA as required by the standard, and the guys who wrote the standard, and who certify products to meet it - agree. Many standards these days have variations and optional choices (which is why you can have a Blu-Ray disc that complies with the current Profile 2 standard that won't play on a player that ALSO complies 100% with the same standard). This was discussed quite a long time ago, and at that time we did NOT consider it to be a problem - or schedule it to be "fixed". However, in the course of other firmware updates, our software development team noticed that the handling of the surround channels seemed to be "less than optimal", and decided to modify it to be more in line with normal expectations. Since it wasn't a "bug" scheduled to be fixed anyway, they didn't make a big point of bringing the change to our attention. Since we didn't consider this (v.14) to be a critical or mandatory update, we hadn't planned to make a big deal out of it. We "rolled" the update out to production units, and proceeded to test the update package. As we said, we've been testing it, and we've encountered a few problems, NOT in the firmware itself, but in the update distribution package that we need to use so that end users can install it on their units. Since we hadn't expected to have any problems, this delayed the final release OF THE END USER UPDATE for a few more days. We do apologize for making some of you so worried... it'll be there soon... We will announce the update and put it up for download just as soon as it is tested and working properly. And, at that point, we will explain exactly what's going on with DTS-HDM. Have a little patience. Thank You for the update. We are not questioning on if this unit is DTS certified. People make mistakes and perhaps DTS has made one by certifying this unit with the .11 firmware. Keith you have to agree it is extremely hard to believe that discreet left and right surround data to be combined and mono is acceptable by DTS or anyone. That would be 4.1 DTSHD-MA. Meanwhile regular lossey DTS core would be 5.1 discreet data sent to the speakers. Not to mention all the Dolby 5.1 formats are being routed discreetly. Maybe the certification test they did, was not using the processor as a 5.1.
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Post by moovtune on Sept 28, 2013 11:46:27 GMT -5
That's a good comment. If DTS had all the speakers turned on (7.1) and tested that way, they wouldn't have found the issue when the backs are turned off.
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Post by phonetic on Sept 28, 2013 11:52:35 GMT -5
Keith I appreciate the updates. Make no mistake, no one wants issues during a firmware update. In that vein, it will take as long as it takes...i get that. My issue was the lack of communication regarding the supposed imminent release after 2 weeks had passed. Now with respect to DTS-MA processing...I can't envision a group of engineers and tech sitting around a table deciding to take 5 channels of descrete audio and making it 4 on purpose. Using an option to use 1 or 2 rear surrounds is completely valid...no question. But deciding, on purpose to combine surrounds in mono for 5.1 setups is completely 180 degrees different from the accepted industry standard. Dolby True-HD is properly handled...why not combine surrounds in that codec as well? My whole point here is this: If it was a conscious decision to combine channels 4 and 5 (as you say it was) what was the reasoning for it? Or if it was a tiny mistake in the firmware (as I suspect) and was/is/might be fixed in v.14. In closing, just keep this thread updated if things are proving tougher than originally thought. I will not personally press for it's release...take the time you guys need to get it right. I just don't like being a mushroom if you know what I mean!
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Post by Sl@mJ@ck on Oct 1, 2013 16:39:12 GMT -5
Greetings Everyone, I have a PT-7020A and I have checked my Firmware version is W5.06.00.11. My question is do I need to upgrade it to V.14 ? And in affirmative, where can I download the new version ? Need to contact Customer Service ? Thanks for your reply.
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Post by phonetic on Oct 1, 2013 17:59:16 GMT -5
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Post by peppo999 on Oct 6, 2013 10:21:38 GMT -5
Anyone can send me the last firmware to make a test? What program do you use to update it?
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Post by moovtune on Oct 6, 2013 13:04:32 GMT -5
We're all still waiting for the new firmware to be posted. When they do, all the files and software you need to update should be available as well.
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Post by peppo999 on Oct 7, 2013 2:59:03 GMT -5
It will be posted in the forum?
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Post by mshump on Oct 22, 2013 17:11:14 GMT -5
Any news on the V.14 firmware being posted somewhere for us to download ?
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Post by phonetic on Oct 23, 2013 9:10:28 GMT -5
Sadly, it has been six weeks since the "few days" comment. I really think we've been forgotten.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2013 10:52:25 GMT -5
Sadly, it has been six weeks since the "few days" comment. I really think we've been forgotten. Hopefully that is not the case and they will deliver what they promised!
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Post by moovtune on Oct 23, 2013 14:24:30 GMT -5
I'm still checking in daily too. Just trying to be patient to let them do their thing.
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Post by bosshogg on Oct 23, 2013 21:22:10 GMT -5
I couldn't wait and found the link for the firmware elsewhere. Loaded it and it works great. Not sure why they haven't officially posted it yet.
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