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Post by fattner on Jan 31, 2014 10:02:52 GMT -5
Has anyone used the xpa1gen 2 amp with tubes and electrostats ? If so review plz plz
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Post by bluemeanies on Jan 31, 2014 10:26:18 GMT -5
I recently purchased a pair of XPA1's and can not be happier. To say I would be able in a blindfold test tell the difference between the XPA1's and the XPR's I would have to use my SUPER powers IMHO. Be done with it and get the mono locks. You won't regret it. In my system right out of the box the clarity was an amazing difference than what I had before. That headroom makes all of the difference for me.  |
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Post by mg on Jan 31, 2014 10:32:08 GMT -5
I recently purchased a pair of XPA1's and can not be happier. To say I would be able in a blindfold test tell the difference between the XPA1's and the XPR's I would have to use my SUPER powers IMHO. Be done with it and get the mono locks. You won't regret it. In my system right out of the box the clarity was an amazing difference than what I had before. That headroom makes all of the difference for me. Man those Amp's look good not to mention what looks like a very well treated room. Congrats. |
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Post by fattner on Jan 31, 2014 10:37:21 GMT -5
Ok. But anyone out there using the xpr1 gen 2 with tube pre amp. I only do true 2 channel listening !! Thx for ur input !!
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Post by audiobill on Jan 31, 2014 14:23:22 GMT -5
I recently purchased a pair of XPA1's and can not be happier. To say I would be able in a blindfold test tell the difference between the XPA1's and the XPR's I would have to use my SUPER powers IMHO. Be done with it and get the mono locks. You won't regret it. In my system right out of the box the clarity was an amazing difference than what I had before. That headroom makes all of the difference for me. How about a detailed review compared to your last amps? |
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Post by ncred02 on Jan 31, 2014 19:03:50 GMT -5
What was your last amp?
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Post by lewers on Jan 31, 2014 21:44:22 GMT -5
I've said it elsewhere before so you can probably go back and look for my old posts and see it there too, but I'll say it again; the difference between the XPA-1 and the XPR-1 was not huge for me. It was enough for me to upgrade the left and right mains to the new amps. It did not however drive me to upgrade the amps running the center and surrounds as well. The main differences for me were: In the imaging department the XPR-1s were slightly better at defining instruments in the sound field.(I think this is due to their superior dynamics) The XPR-1s also had a better grip on the low-end of my speakers so the lowest notes were reproduced, to my ear, a bit more realistically and with with a bit more authority. They were compared using the L250s in my signature running full range and if I remember right they have a minus 3db point of about 28 hz. I don't think you could possibly be disappointed with either one. They're both amazing amplifiers. [edit] here's a link to my original comparison of these two: emotivalounge.proboards.com/thread/28988/xpa-1-xprI hope this helps, Chris |
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Post by novisnick on Jan 31, 2014 21:48:57 GMT -5
I've said it elsewhere before so you can probably go back and look for my old posts and see it there too, but I'll say it again; the difference between the XPA-1 and the XPR-1 was not huge for me. It was enough for me to upgrade the left and right mains to the new amps. It did not however drive me to upgrade the amps running the center and surround as well. The main differences for me were: In the imaging department the XPR-1s were slightly better at defining instruments in the sound field.(I think this is due to their superior dynamics) The XPR-1s also had a better grip on the low-end of my speakers so the lowest notes were reproduced, to my ear, a bit more realistically and with with a bit more authority. They were compared using the L250s in my signature running full range and if I remember right they have a minus 3db point of about 28 hz. I don't think you could possibly be disappointed with either one. They're both amazing amplifiers. I hope this helps, Chris Nice description and review. Well put! Nick |
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Post by deltadube on Feb 1, 2014 0:18:37 GMT -5
I recently purchased a pair of XPA1's and can not be happier. To say I would be able in a blindfold test tell the difference between the XPA1's and the XPR's I would have to use my SUPER powers IMHO. Be done with it and get the mono locks. You won't regret it. In my system right out of the box the clarity was an amazing difference than what I had before. That headroom makes all of the difference for me. How about a detailed review compared to your last amps? hi bill think blue did one just a week or so ago.. was very good ! cheers |
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Post by audiobill on Feb 1, 2014 4:30:26 GMT -5
How about a detailed review compared to your last amps? hi bill think blue did one just a week or so ago.. was very good ! cheers Tks - I'll check it out. |
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Post by garbulky on Feb 1, 2014 4:50:32 GMT -5
I don't think you could possibly be disappointed with either one. They're both amazing amplifiers. I got to hear the XPR-2's yesterday. I know they are a different animal from the 20 watt class A XPR-1's (or are they?) but they sounded different from what I was expecting. I was expecting to hear problems from the class H rail implementation with the class AB system. Sort of like an amp bred for power but not necessary for an increase in sound quality or worse, a poorer sound. Well that wasn't the case at all. These amps are refined. In the system I heard it in, the sound I heard was a sophisticated laid back sound best I can put it. They were absolutely loafing but they definitely painted a soundstage without hesitation. Just a more real system sound overall. It wasn't brash in anyway. It definitely wasn't FLAT (squashed 2d) in presentation at low volumes not in the least and had very nice depth. I don't want to attribute what is what to the amp as it was a whole system synergy if you would. A very enjoyable evening. |
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Post by ncred02 on Feb 1, 2014 5:19:33 GMT -5
Chis, thanks . would love to hear those Jbl250s sing
I am leaning towards the XPA1 g2 for the 60w class A.
The refurbs were tempting but only 10w of A (if I am not mistaken)
The XPR1 just seem more than I need and add to that the rest of my system isn't that caliber to justify the $
I should have them ordered by the beginning of the week.
Now if the offer I sent on some Wilson's comes through I may be stuck with my XPA2 for now.
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Post by bluemeanies on Feb 1, 2014 9:18:29 GMT -5
Wrote a review on January 25 AudioBill. Please check it out.
Ncred02... I was using the Outlaw 7700 amp. 200 watts per channel did not cut it IMHO with the B&W 804S speaker. With the XPA's I have plenty of headroom and the clarity I am getting now from the 804's is a big difference from what I had just with the 7700. I am still using the 7700 for my center channel and surrounds.
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Post by ncred02 on Feb 1, 2014 9:52:22 GMT -5
Blue,
Nice speakers, the 804s.
I need to narrow this down by this weekend and pull the trigger on something. I have invested too much time to back out ...
plus Im psyched for an upgrade
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Post by fattner on Feb 1, 2014 10:28:12 GMT -5
Hello there has to be someone out there that has used the xpa1gen 2 with a tube pre amp and Martin Logan's !! Plz give a review plz !!
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Post by ncred02 on Feb 1, 2014 13:37:29 GMT -5
Last question. Does everyone believe I will hear a difference from gen 1 xpa2 and gen 2xpa1s?
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Post by audiobill on Feb 1, 2014 14:12:16 GMT -5
Depends on volume, how long the Amp stays in Class A.
Even then, not so much, similar power, noise and distortion specs.
Save some $$$$$$$$. !
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Post by lewers on Feb 1, 2014 15:36:26 GMT -5
Last question. Do everyone believe I will hear a difference from gen 1 xpa2 and gen 2xpa1s? (we're comparing XPA-2 Gen 1 - vs - XPA-1 Gen 2 right?) For me the transition from the XPA-2 to the monoblock XPA-1s was more than just noticeable. Hearing how they opened everything up set me on the path of replacing all channels with them. You're talking about generation one versus generation two so the differences should be even more noticeable, though I haven't heard the generation two XPA-1s so I can't comment on how large those differences might be. How much those differences translate into musical enjoyment of course depends on your ears, your room, etc. |
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Post by Boomzilla on Feb 1, 2014 15:46:04 GMT -5
Finding someone who has specifically used the Generation II XPA-1s and who has used them with Martin Logan electrostats is about the same likelihood as finding someone who's had sex with BOTH Sophie Marceau and Milla Jovovich (and I'm sad to say that it's not me for either the XPA-1s or the sex). In other words - not darned likely...
That said, I suspect that any differences between the gen one and two amps are not that radical. I'm completely speculating, here, since I've not heard the gen twos. As good as the gen ones were, though, I'm thinking that some listeners might actually PREFER the gen ones...
Happy shopping.
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Post by audiobill on Feb 1, 2014 16:03:37 GMT -5
Last question. Do everyone believe I will hear a difference from gen 1 xpa2 and gen 2xpa1s? (we're comparing XPA-2 Gen 1 - vs - XPA-1 Gen 2 right?) For me the transition from the XPA-2 to the monoblock XPA-1s was more than just noticeable. Hearing how they opened everything up set me on the path of replacing all channels with them. You're talking about generation one versus generation two so the differences should be even more noticeable, though I haven't heard the generation two XPA-1s so I can't comment on how large those differences might be. How much those differences translate into musical enjoyment of course depends on your ears, your room, etc. Oh, sorry I misread.. I ultimately went for the XPA 1's too, wanting the power. Balanced, so noise and distortion better too. |
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