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Post by Boomzilla on Aug 29, 2020 14:33:24 GMT -5
Might I suggest lovely Okeana, Ohio? Mark I'd kind of written off the central states, considering them "tornado alley," but you're right - Ohio & surroundings might be far enough East that tornados wouldn't be that big an issue? |
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Post by klinemj on Aug 29, 2020 19:29:25 GMT -5
Might I suggest lovely Okeana, Ohio? Mark I'd kind of written off the central states, considering them "tornado alley," but you're right - Ohio & surroundings might be far enough East that tornados wouldn't be that big an issue? If you were to choose Ohio, where I am is pretty good from a tornado POV. They tend to follow closer to the major rivers or further north. Avoid Harrison, Ohio...intersection of 3 large rivers. Tornadoes see, to like that. Having experienced hurricanes and tornadoes, the bonus about tornadoes is that they are very narrow in their impact and also tend to follow patterns of travel...like...rivers and low areas. The worst we get are some strong winds and lightning. The "hurricane" that came through came up from the gulf and nobody believed it would reach us. It did, but the worst it did was take off my neighbor's siding, down some trees, and take down some power lines. And, once every few years, we get a cold winter and 10" of snow that goes away within days. We light a fire in the fireplace and just chill out. Mark |
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Post by garbulky on Aug 29, 2020 21:24:01 GMT -5
Would treating the room provide a greater sound quality improvement than new speakers? Yes it would. And there ya go That's the bottom line.  At some point, you gotta decide if your audio enjoyment is worth the expense. What if EVERY time you try new speakers, amps, dacs etc.... every single time sounds better than if you didn't invest in room treatments? Wouldn't that make all those future expenses on purchases give you more return for your $$$? Room treatments are also movable if you plan ahead. |
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Post by Boomzilla on Aug 29, 2020 21:38:19 GMT -5
...Room treatments are also movable if you plan ahead. Not carpet; not underlay; not ceiling tiles. |
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Post by garbulky on Aug 29, 2020 22:11:13 GMT -5
...Room treatments are also movable if you plan ahead. Not carpet; not underlay; not ceiling tiles. Ceiling tiles can be movable if you hang them by hooks. Wall treatments are also movable. I consider wall treatments the most important. Ceiling tiles come second. (I don't have any). Carpets are nice and do work some but I don't know if I consider them in the same class as room treatments. |
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Post by Boomzilla on Aug 29, 2020 22:18:50 GMT -5
If I had a flocked or acoustic ceiling, carpet probably wouldn't matter. But the biggest single sheetrock surface in the room is not the walls - it's the ceiling. That being the case, I'm strongly suspecting that a dense carpet with a thick pad on the floor would make a HUGE difference. Another of the large influencers on the room's sound is the 65" TV mounted on the wall between the speakers. I'm thinking of hanging "soundproof curtains" on either side of the TV that can be closed (fully or partially) during audio listening. Once those things are done, some ceiling tiles that act as absorbers will help the top reflections. Then I'll start on the walls...
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Post by garbulky on Aug 29, 2020 23:21:45 GMT -5
If I had a flocked or acoustic ceiling, carpet probably wouldn't matter. But the biggest single sheetrock surface in the room is not the walls - it's the ceiling. That being the case, I'm strongly suspecting that a dense carpet with a thick pad on the floor would make a HUGE difference. Another of the large influencers on the room's sound is the 65" TV mounted on the wall between the speakers. I'm thinking of hanging "soundproof curtains" on either side of the TV that can be closed (fully or partially) during audio listening. Once those things are done, some ceiling tiles that act as absorbers will help the top reflections. Then I'll start on the walls... I think my biggest concern is that there is a threshold that you have to meet before you start noticing worthwhile differences. I know I had that issue. As you noticed in the past, the difference between some and more wasn't all that big, almost negligible. Therefore, if you want a worthwhile difference for your investment, you've got to meet the threshhold before things start to change. Right now, I doubt you'd hear a large difference with your upcoming plan. Not saying you won't, I hope you do, but I'm not sure you will. This is simply one of those things where you have it or you don't. |
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Post by Boomzilla on Aug 30, 2020 9:10:05 GMT -5
For the time being, I've got both the Emotiva T2 and the B&W DM-630 speakers in stock, so I'm in no rush to make any change. If one of the two sells, I'll use the other. If both pairs sell, then it's time to shop.
Anyone have any recommendations on acoustic ceiling tiles?
How about recommendations for soundproof curtains?
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Post by audiobill on Aug 30, 2020 11:37:31 GMT -5
Think you should consider revisiting REW/Roon convolution....
Look up HAF filters...
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Post by Boomzilla on Aug 31, 2020 16:12:45 GMT -5
The air filter echo-busters - recommended by an audio amigo - sound AMAZING! Negative WAF too high to measure, though...  |
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Post by garbulky on Aug 31, 2020 16:17:29 GMT -5
The air filter echo-busters - recommended by an audio amigo - sound AMAZING! Negative WAF too high to measure, though... You don't have to worry about WAF too much longer. I heard she's already packing her things!! |
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Post by garbulky on Aug 31, 2020 16:17:57 GMT -5
You could cover them up with fabric maybe.
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Post by KeithL on Aug 31, 2020 17:01:44 GMT -5
That seems like a brilliant idea.... and easy enough to wrap them in cloth.
The air filter echo-busters - recommended by an audio amigo - sound AMAZING! Negative WAF too high to measure, though... |
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Post by fbczar on Aug 31, 2020 19:59:49 GMT -5
The air filter echo-busters - recommended by an audio amigo - sound AMAZING! Negative WAF too high to measure, though... What a great idea for slap echo! Now you need to try some cellulose insulation packages for bass traps.  |
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Post by Boomzilla on Aug 31, 2020 21:51:07 GMT -5
I've thought of getting some pre-formed 12" pipe insulation, stuffing it with cellulose, and wrapping it in fabric... And having gone around the world several times with loudspeaker contenders, I find myself coming back again and again to... The Tekton Double Impact speakers. For $3K, I just don't find much that seems to do all that the DIs do for anywhere near the price. But to put the piggy bank over the threshold, I still need to sell one more speaker pair or the remaining Airmotiv S15 sub. It'll happen eventually... And I hate to even say it - but... Should I consider the Tekton Design 1812s?  |
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Post by Boomzilla on Sept 5, 2020 8:53:48 GMT -5
The graphic below describes an inexpensive, universal speaker outrigger that could be used with virtually any tower loudspeaker or speaker stand. The advantages are that this outrigger is not "sided," and need not be sold in R/L pairs. Formed in pressed steel, or cast aluminum, the center slot allows for either M6 or M8 speaker screws, using washers to secure the former. The length of the slot allows for use with virtually any tower speaker (or speaker stand) on the market. The threaded end holes can be sized for any thread size by using a shouldered adapter (M8 or M6). The customer can then supply their own spikes/sliders that came with their speakers or else purchase better-quality alternates. These inexpensive-to-manufacture outriggers should sell well with ANY tower speaker or speaker stands. What do you think? |
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Post by Boomzilla on Sept 11, 2020 13:48:36 GMT -5
One of these months, when the Tekton-Design Double-Impact speakers arrive, there will be a review... As to when that might be, your guess is as good as mine. Tekton states plainly on their website that production is backed up and that customers must be patient, but even the company's response time to emailed questions seems to be sluggish to the point of turgidity. You can't always get what you want, but if you try sometimes...you get what you need?
I do find it a bit unfair, however, that the Tekton company charges the purchaser immediately upon ordering, but then keeps the funds (without interest) for however many months the interval may be between order and shipping. Most online companies charge only when their product ships. Is being a "mom and pop" sized business a valid excuse for this business anomaly? Your guess is as good as mine. Tekton doesn't deign to comment on the matter, and if you're not happy with the circumstance, you're always welcome to shop elsewhere...
A recent read of a Paul McGowan (PS-Audio) article on youtube opined that the use of long XLR interconnects with short speaker cables is (at least theoretically) superior to the reverse. The reason given was that the interconnects drive a stable resistive load at the amplifiers' inputs while long speaker wires must drive the wildly-varying resistance, capacitance, and reactance of not only the speakers' wires but also of the speakers' crossovers and drivers. Therefore, more consistent sound should result by using long interconnects. NOTE that Paul is specifically referring to balanced XLR interconnects rather than the more-common, unbalanced RCA ones. So there?
Cheers - Boom
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Post by garbulky on Sept 11, 2020 15:57:09 GMT -5
Paul is a wealth of misinformation, but at least he is entertaining! But whether to trust him on his impressions? I wouldn't.
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Post by Boomzilla on Sept 12, 2020 5:46:04 GMT -5
Paul is a wealth of misinformation... Any specific examples? I don't need links, only a brief description. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2020 9:45:04 GMT -5
One of these months, when the Tekton-Design Double-Impact speakers arrive, there will be a review... As to when that might be, your guess is as good as mine. Tekton states plainly on their website that production is backed up and that customers must be patient, but even the company's response time to emailed questions seems to be sluggish to the point of turgidity. You can't always get what you want, but if you try sometimes...you get what you need? I do find it a bit unfair, however, that the Tekton company charges the purchaser immediately upon ordering, but then keeps the funds (without interest) for however many months the interval may be between order and shipping. Most online companies charge only when their product ships. Is being a "mom and pop" sized business a valid excuse for this business anomaly? Your guess is as good as mine. Tekton doesn't deign to comment on the matter, and if you're not happy with the circumstance, you're always welcome to shop elsewhere... A recent read of a Paul McGowan (PS-Audio) article on youtube opined that the use of long XLR interconnects with short speaker cables is (at least theoretically) superior to the reverse. The reason given was that the interconnects drive a stable resistive load at the amplifiers' inputs while long speaker wires must drive the wildly-varying resistance, capacitance, and reactance of not only the speakers' wires but also of the speakers' crossovers and drivers. Therefore, more consistent sound should result by using long interconnects. NOTE that Paul is specifically referring to balanced XLR interconnects rather than the more-common, unbalanced RCA ones. So there? Cheers - Boom When I first ordered my 2nd Tekton 4-10 I had to cancel after a month of waiting because of an unexpected trip out of state. Tekton did refund the purchase 100%. I ended up reordering the speaker when I got back and I received my order in a little over a month. This was only about 4 months ago. I'm guessing that the reason the customer is charged on order is because the products are hand made for each individual rather than being from off the shelf product inventory. What I've noticed in the "Tekton Design Speakers Worldwide Owners Group" on FB is that customized colors etc may delay the order. When I say custom colors I mean colors not available as an option on the site. I've observed others requesting "automobile" grade paint jobs which result in deliveries up to a year. If you don't belong to the FB group I highly recommend joining. Lots of good information including wait time status posted in that group. |
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At some point, you gotta decide if your audio enjoyment is worth the expense. 
