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Post by solidstate on Feb 15, 2014 1:18:45 GMT -5
My bad for not seeing Dan's mention of the bandwidth in his original post. That said,there are some products out there with HDCP 2.2 and the CTS is now out there for testing. Yes, it is complicated to be sure but in an otherwise state-of-the art processor on expects all systems to be up to date for almost $2k. The faster speeds of 2.0 are needed for more than 1080/eye 3D. You also need them for 10- or 12-bit color or 4:4:2 or 4:4:4. That isn't so far off. 1.4b can do 10bit 4:4:4 Now 1080p60 sequential or frame packed 3d 1.4b BARELY has the bandwidth but it can do it and that's what the b means in 1.4b... HDMI 2.0 is needed for 3D at 4k. The 340Mhz TDMS can do 4k video non 3D no problem but the dreaded type 1 flag might screw us if enforced in the transport source. |
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Post by Nodscene on Feb 15, 2014 1:35:54 GMT -5
I think it's fantastic to get an update and clarification on the matter, not too many companies would. Although I really wish he would have left out the part about being able to get an upgrade for it down the line. That was a definite plus for me when I ordered the UMC-1 and we all know how that turned out.
I'm sure it will be an amazing unit when it's released though. I'm already jealous of the people who will be getting theirs.
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Post by cwt on Feb 15, 2014 5:30:42 GMT -5
The faster speeds of 2.0 are needed for more than 1080/eye 3D. You also need them for 10- or 12-bit color or 4:4:2 or 4:4:4. That isn't so far off. 4k 3d frame packed for passive flicker free 1080p 4k projection - Thats my only interest in 4k until the new colour spaces for 4k in the form of 4k content trickle through ; whether 4k netflix or mvec/h265 bluray ? Not to far away for sure ' down this end of the globe where these things are more of an afterthought [small market] this was posted - www.smarthouse.com.au/tvs_and_large_display/IZUFLGQQ-apple-building-out-new-content-network-key-to-tv-strategy.aspxIts appreciated that this thread was created as until its a little clearer how the hdmi version upgrade is accomplished [ plug in new slave board yourself would be good or a trip back to Tennessee ?] Good reason to wait until its all sorted ; heres the nitty gritty thats been referenced already  www.digchip.com/datasheets/8749753-adv7625-3ghz-hdmi-5-2-cross.html |
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Post by garbulky on Feb 15, 2014 7:36:17 GMT -5
Things that I'm quite interested in is - solidstate maybe you can help me -
The HDCP 2.2 appears to be incompatible with anything before it? So HDMI 1 devices will not work on such a connection? Is this true? If so, that would make sense not to release that upgrade.
Can you use 4k 3d HDMI (in whatever form it appears) currently to push content from the computer like 3d games?
Yesterday I ran into a guy running multimonitor games at a 6000Xsomething resoluion .... at a 100 frames per second with two ATI cards. I was wondering if that was possible .... in 3d ....in 4k ....on a single monitor.
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Post by drewface on Feb 15, 2014 8:42:47 GMT -5
2.0 was never an issue. Just the bait and switch  . Keep it real homie...you already have us sold, you can take the sales hat off and just talk to us. At least me. I completely agree. Many of us have been on the pre-order list for a LONG time, and honestly do want this product. It's a shame that Emotiva keeps jumping the gun and claiming great news and then having to pull back once all the facts are available. They need to either start talking based on what they 100% absolutely know for sure or shut up completely (I'd prefer the former). This particular issue could have easily been avoided by "carefully reviewing the final specifications of the parts" (quoting Dan's first post) before sending out a bulk email to everyone with a pre-order claiming there would be HDMI 2.0. I would have been fine with a simple forum post saying they were pushing production back by a month or two in order to upgrade to a new, higher performance HDMI chip, and then maybe giving a few examples of how the performance is better (show us specs, we love them!). Production delays are understandable, especially when it will lead to a better product, but don't claim something you're not sure of. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2014 9:04:58 GMT -5
One again reaffirming why I am OUT on this product.
It is beyond comical at this point. Reaffirms my beliefs that they weren't even close to being ready to launch on the original 2/14 date. And made something up.
It's a joke really. They need to stick to 2 channel and amps lol
I'm not mad I'm laughing about this. And loving my new xsp1
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Post by eliwankenobi on Feb 15, 2014 9:18:02 GMT -5
I want to congratulate Dan for coming forward and addressing this before hand....
The hdmi board is a new board indeed, 1.4b is all that is needed right now... Even though there are TVs that are UHD, the truth is that a UHD disc format has not been finalized.... So all those 4k TVs (unless those marketed as upgradeable) are 1.4b. When UHD srandard is finalized, then we'll know for sure what needs to be done to support it, either modify what hdmi2.0 has right now or whatever... The good thing is Emotiva would only make the proper board and upgrade the unit! Done! I personally hope they change to Display Port... It has way more bandwidth than whatever hdmi2.0 support, it has no licensing fees (i.e. Cheaper!!), and it can support hdcp 2.2 too.. But its a different connector, but I would favor it!!
So back to the point... Dont worry about it, no standard is set, and more important, no disc standard has been set either!!! Whatever 4k streaming or player you get, will play over your hdmi 1.4b port as long as is no more 24/30 fps just fine!!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2014 9:28:22 GMT -5
Let the apologist begin lmao
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Post by LCSeminole on Feb 15, 2014 9:35:15 GMT -5
Now that I've gotten up to speed on the new specs in the HDMI world(version 2.0 that is), lets accept reality, until we have 10 or 12 bit 4K video with frame rates of at least 60Hz, then HDMI 2.0 is just another move in the right direction for fully implementing 4K CORRECTLY.
solidstate linked an article back on the first page that, in my opinion, states the obvious, why not make other features of HDMI more robust in improving HDMI as a whole before mucking up this connector even further. Lets face it, the key exchanges between EDID and HDCP could use speeding up, and this would go a long way in making a lot of consumer like us happy campers.
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Post by LCSeminole on Feb 15, 2014 9:41:01 GMT -5
Let the apologist begin lmao Why pile on? These types of posts are what turns these types of threads in the wrong direction. There's lots of really good information in this thread and your post takes away from this. If you want to start a thread in the Green Room about what you call "apologists", feel free to do so, otherwise thank you for your cooperation in not derailing this thread. |
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Post by drewface on Feb 15, 2014 9:49:01 GMT -5
I want to congratulate Dan for coming forward and addressing this before hand.... The hdmi board is a new board indeed, 1.4b is all that is needed right now... Even though there are TVs that are UHD, the truth is that a UHD disc format has not been finalized.... So all those 4k TVs (unless those marketed as upgradeable) are 1.4b. When UHD srandard is finalized, then we'll know for sure what needs to be done to support it, either modify what hdmi2.0 has right now or whatever... The good thing is Emotiva would only make the proper board and upgrade the unit! Done! I personally hope they change to Display Port... It has way more bandwidth than whatever hdmi2.0 support, it has no licensing fees (i.e. Cheaper!!), and it can support hdcp 2.2 too.. But its a different connector, but I would favor it!! So back to the point... Dont worry about it, no standard is set, and more important, no disc standard has been set either!!! Whatever 4k streaming or player you get, will play over your hdmi 1.4b port as long as is no more 24/30 fps just fine!! I think we all understand this, and for most of us the lack of "true 2.0" isn't an issue. The issue is Emotiva made a bold claim about the product, sent out an email with that claim, and then went, "Whoops, we didn't do our homework properly. It's actually not quite what we just told you a couple of weeks ago." Dan didn't address this before hand. He made an inaccurate claim before hand, and then offered an explanation after the truth was revealed. I'm sure he's not happy about the situation, and I personally still think the XMC looks like a great product, but Emotiva needs to get their act together in terms of communicating with their customers and enthusiasts on this board. Saying "We think we'll be able to claim HDMI 2.0, we'll keep you updated" in a forum post is a LOT different than claiming "Full HDMI 2.0 and 4K Capability" in a mass email. |
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Post by garbulky on Feb 15, 2014 10:23:03 GMT -5
With the processor being this close to release. I wonder when they knew about HDMI 2. I imagine it would have been found out the moment one actually looked at the feature sheet much less managed to successfully integrate it into a processor. For instance I found it was the chip not HDMI 2 in about ten seconds using google and THREE mouse clicks. It was on the very first page. lmgtfy.com/?q=ADV7625Clicked the first link. On the very first page. |
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Post by eliwankenobi on Feb 15, 2014 10:26:29 GMT -5
I want to congratulate Dan for coming forward and addressing this before hand.... The hdmi board is a new board indeed, 1.4b is all that is needed right now... Even though there are TVs that are UHD, the truth is that a UHD disc format has not been finalized.... So all those 4k TVs (unless those marketed as upgradeable) are 1.4b. When UHD srandard is finalized, then we'll know for sure what needs to be done to support it, either modify what hdmi2.0 has right now or whatever... The good thing is Emotiva would only make the proper board and upgrade the unit! Done! I personally hope they change to Display Port... It has way more bandwidth than whatever hdmi2.0 support, it has no licensing fees (i.e. Cheaper!!), and it can support hdcp 2.2 too.. But its a different connector, but I would favor it!! So back to the point... Dont worry about it, no standard is set, and more important, no disc standard has been set either!!! Whatever 4k streaming or player you get, will play over your hdmi 1.4b port as long as is no more 24/30 fps just fine!! I think we all understand this, and for most of us the lack of "true 2.0" isn't an issue. The issue is Emotiva made a bold claim about the product, sent out an email with that claim, and then went, "Whoops, we didn't do our homework properly. It's actually not quite what we just told you a couple of weeks ago." Dan didn't address this before hand. He made an inaccurate claim before hand, and then offered an explanation after the truth was revealed. I'm sure he's not happy about the situation, and I personally still think the XMC looks like a great product, but Emotiva needs to get their act together in terms of communicating with their customers and enthusiasts on this board. Saying "We think we'll be able to claim HDMI 2.0, we'll keep you updated" in a forum post is a LOT different than claiming "Full HDMI 2.0 and 4K Capability" in a mass email. No argument against that! I would have been disappointed about it too... I heard the podcast about hdmi2.0 and later the forum post.... I didnt know about the email though.... Well it's not the first time something like this happens...maybe for those that have preordered and waited years for it, they could get the UHD hdmi board for free when it becomes available? As an apology for the whole situation? |
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Post by Lsc on Feb 15, 2014 10:46:53 GMT -5
Moving on...Next up is the shipping date. I see a ship date for the new receiver (perfect for someone like my younger bro) of 3/20/2014. XMC-1 ship date? Surely, if this is being built in house vs coming from China, a ship date would be much easier to predict/schedule with better accuracy. And no I won't call you Shirley. You can actually add to cart the 8100 receiver with it shipping 3/20/2014. If my XMC-1 is shipping within a month, sign me up...I'll pay my upgrade for life $$$ now...you know for cash flow reasons. |
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Post by drewface on Feb 15, 2014 10:47:15 GMT -5
No argument against that! I would have been disappointed about it too... I heard the podcast about hdmi2.0 and later the forum post.... I didnt know about the email though.... The email was basically a direct copy of the forum post that was sent to everyone on the pre-order list. maybe for those that have preordered and waited years for it, they could get the UHD hdmi board for free when it becomes available? As an apology for the whole situation? I approve of this idea.  At the very least, a straight up apology would be nice. And maybe a couple "behind the scenes" videos showing off how production is going between now and release... that would be cool. |
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Post by bootman on Feb 15, 2014 11:40:30 GMT -5
With the processor being this close to release. I wonder when they knew about HDMI 2. I imagine it would have been found out the moment one actually looked at the feature sheet much less managed to successfully integrate it into a processor. For instance I found it was the chip not HDMI 2 in about ten seconds using google and THREE mouse clicks. It was on the very first page. lmgtfy.com/?q=ADV7625Clicked the first link. On the very first page. Kind of makes one wonder how close to release this actually is, no? Just think about what you said and then put a timeline together logically. |
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Post by Davecski65 on Feb 15, 2014 11:44:25 GMT -5
At this point I will just wait til it comes out,wait til all the reviews from the people who have bought one and go from there.If it is worthy of all they say it is then I will drop the coin,but for now my UMC-1 with old version works for me.Seems as everyone here keeps forcing the hand that feeds them.?It will come when it comes.
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Post by audiobill on Feb 15, 2014 12:24:11 GMT -5
C'mon guys, free upgrades, minute by minute status reports, unsettled technology......
Agree with Dave above, let's simmer down.....and wait till they're ready!
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Post by playitlow on Feb 15, 2014 12:29:04 GMT -5
Does anyone know if there's going to be a remote app for smart phones? Similar to Marantz
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Post by RightinLA on Feb 15, 2014 12:35:09 GMT -5
With the processor being this close to release. I wonder when they knew about HDMI 2. I imagine it would have been found out the moment one actually looked at the feature sheet much less managed to successfully integrate it into a processor. For instance I found it was the chip not HDMI 2 in about ten seconds using google and THREE mouse clicks. It was on the very first page. lmgtfy.com/?q=ADV7625Clicked the first link. On the very first page. Well there Dan goes again! I mean you just can't make this stuff up. I thought he learned his lesson about over-promising and under-delivering. Jan 29, 2014 at 7:02pm LCSeminole, alhull and 30 more like this. like Post by Dan Laufman on Jan 29, 2014 at 7:02pm emotivalounge.proboards.com/thread/35391/expectations-emotiva-xmc-1-update? |
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At the very least, a straight up apology would be nice. And maybe a couple "behind the scenes" videos showing off how production is going between now and release... that would be cool.
