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Post by dougport on Feb 15, 2014 21:42:28 GMT -5
Not sure if this has been brought up, in the last podcast Dan asks Lonnie if the new part number is the ADV7625 and Lonnie replies that the OSD is the 88 series Maybe Analog Devices couldn't deliver the new chipset so they went with the step up from the 7623 with the 7625 for now. Also thy may not be at liberty to discuss issue(a) that AD may be having.
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Post by solidstate on Feb 15, 2014 21:52:26 GMT -5
Not sure if this has been brought up, in the last podcast Dan asks Lonnie if the new part number is the ADV7625 and Lonnie replies that the OSD is the 88 series Maybe Analog Devices couldn't deliver the new chipset so they went with the step up from the 7623 with the 7625 for now. Also thy may not be at liberty to discuss issue(a) that AD may be having. Doug I shared a demo runtime for the OSD a while back for AD developers. I'm not sure what thread it was but you can try and find it to see what can be done with that AD8000 video processor. |
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Post by Lonnie on Feb 15, 2014 22:05:55 GMT -5
I just had to do something I hate to do which is send out warnings to a couple of people. I would like to remind everyone that you are guest here and all we ask is that you follow the rules. You can state your position as long as it is done with respect. So please, I am asking everyone to keep it civil. On the other side of the coin, I want to thank all you who have been following the rules. You guys are what makes this forum a great place to hang out.
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Post by Lsc on Feb 15, 2014 22:07:23 GMT -5
I agree both sides should chime in. You got the Emo haters and the Emo lemmings then you have me.  A well educated, handsome guy with awesome taste for audio equipment. I love my Emo gear, I'm a big fan of what Big Dan has produced and he is a pretty nice guy. But just to give you an idea what a big picture guy he is, he didn't even remember how much the XPR retailed for at Emofest. This doesn't excuse him or his company of not sending out a correction email after the initial email. Hindsight is 20/20 but in most eyes that would have been sufficient...and if it's not then so be it but that's all they are responsible for. They reserve the right to change the specs. Once again to those who have comprehension issues, it's not about having 2.0 but the bait and switch. I couldn't care less about 2.0 for the reasons people have stated...but I already know that...that's why I don't care!  Moving forward, to those sitting this one out, I'll be sure to provide a detailed review. I'll a/b the XMC-1 with the UMC-200 and even pit the XMC-1 against the XDA-2 in direct mode. This will help the doubting Thomas's make their decisions. Back to enjoying my great speakers powered by great Emo gear...talk to you in a few...ta ta . I agree with most of what your saying but to claim it's a bate and switch is a steaming pile of BS. How could it be when the product hasn't even shipped? I could understand this claim if it was purchased ALREADY under the pretense it has HDMI 2.x but this is not the case is it so why make such a claim if not only to incite? Yeah Dan thought it passed full spec 2.0 because it can pass 4k and can do 1080p120Hz not realizing it's a rare HDMI 1.4b part with the B being the important point. I'll never do 4k 3D at 10bit 4:4:4 for some years but I will do 1080p 120Hz 3D and the fact I can pass a 120Hz 1080p signal down that HDMI 1.4b link is fantastic for PC 5:5 processing IE converting 1080p24 to 1080p120 at the PC transport or potentially STB/disc transport I personally think 4K HDMI2.0 is borked without 4:4:4 and 120Hz active 3D native transport! We all should realize there is ZERO CONTENT currently anyway and the 4K streams you guys will get off of netflix devices etc will pass the signal IF your sink/display in combination with your source doesn't enforce the soon to be dreaded "type 1" flag... None of the currently deployed HDMI TDMS xmiters that I know of support HDCP greater than 1.8 anyway so those devices if they have the faster TDMS clock will STILL BE ABLE TO PASS 4K 2D TO YOUR 4K DISPLAYS and do so with the XMC-1!!! Once again, I don't care about the 2.0. 4:4:4 7:7:7 9:9:9 whatever... I don't care about 4K, 16k, 64k I'm not even paying attention to it. If you tell me one thing that gets my attention in a positive way, then say something else, I refer that as bait and switch. That's all. Nothing more, nothing less. |
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Post by aud on Feb 15, 2014 22:13:30 GMT -5
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Post by PGT on Feb 15, 2014 22:14:48 GMT -5
His posts have every right to be here as much as anyone elses. Whether you agree or not, you have to take the good and the bad. concur. I had my $1200 set aside in a slush fund, waiting for yesterday's release. I started putting money aside after hearing Dan promise 14 Feb while under the tent on Labor Day weekend....with my own ears. To say I'm disappointed is an understatement. So much so....I got my retail therapy fix by spending the $1200 on other stuff I wanted (some fine Beretta's) instead (non-audio related). To hear that the delay was caused by a particular feature set and would be worth the wait.....only to find out that was incorrect. That makes me reassess being an early adopter altogether. I'll sit back and ride the wave of those who buy if/when its released...that might be a 2014 purchase or not. At the end of the day, I'm certainly left with a bad taste over the whole affair. - Sometimes the terseness of my reply can't be blamed on my phone. |
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Post by PGT on Feb 15, 2014 22:19:37 GMT -5
I wonder if all the good folks at Emo thought through the tag line of "Beyond Expectations".  This thread is ALL about expectations. - Sometimes the terseness of my reply can't be blamed on my phone. |
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Post by geebo on Feb 15, 2014 22:21:20 GMT -5
I agree with most of what your saying but to claim it's a bate and switch is a steaming pile of BS. How could it be when the product hasn't even shipped? I could understand this claim if it was purchased ALREADY under the pretense it has HDMI 2.x but this is not the case is it so why make such a claim if not only to incite? Yeah Dan thought it passed full spec 2.0 because it can pass 4k and can do 1080p120Hz not realizing it's a rare HDMI 1.4b part with the B being the important point. I'll never do 4k 3D at 10bit 4:4:4 for some years but I will do 1080p 120Hz 3D and the fact I can pass a 120Hz 1080p signal down that HDMI 1.4b link is fantastic for PC 5:5 processing IE converting 1080p24 to 1080p120 at the PC transport or potentially STB/disc transport I personally think 4K HDMI2.0 is borked without 4:4:4 and 120Hz active 3D native transport! We all should realize there is ZERO CONTENT currently anyway and the 4K streams you guys will get off of netflix devices etc will pass the signal IF your sink/display in combination with your source doesn't enforce the soon to be dreaded "type 1" flag... None of the currently deployed HDMI TDMS xmiters that I know of support HDCP greater than 1.8 anyway so those devices if they have the faster TDMS clock will STILL BE ABLE TO PASS 4K 2D TO YOUR 4K DISPLAYS and do so with the XMC-1!!! Once again, I don't care about the 2.0. 4:4:4 7:7:7 9:9:9 whatever... I don't care about 4K, 16k, 64k I'm not even paying attention to it. If you tell me one thing that gets my attention in a positive way, then say something else, I refer that as bait and switch. That's all. Nothing more, nothing less. Nope. That's not bait and switch. Bait and switch is something a car dealer may do by advertising a great deal on a specific vehicle that IS available. That's the BAIT. When you get there, the BAIT seems to have been sold so they SWITCH you to some totally different vehicle. I don't see how that applies here. |
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Post by Lsc on Feb 15, 2014 22:39:30 GMT -5
Once again, I don't care about the 2.0. 4:4:4 7:7:7 9:9:9 whatever... I don't care about 4K, 16k, 64k I'm not even paying attention to it. If you tell me one thing that gets my attention in a positive way, then say something else, I refer that as bait and switch. That's all. Nothing more, nothing less. Nope. That's not bait and switch. Bait and switch is something a car dealer may do by advertising a great deal on a specific vehicle that IS available. That's the BAIT. When you get there, the BAIT seems to have been sold so they SWITCH you to some totally different vehicle. I don't see how that applies here. Ok. They baited me with HDMI 2.0 but then changed it to HDMI 1.4b. I planned on buying the XMC-1 in a couple of years (2016) since my UMC-200 sounded so good and the initial specs showed 1.4...I figured I'll wait until after the 2.0 has been settled, I can get the XMC-1. Since the announcement I told my wife I'm getting the XMC-1 right away and that's my plan. They switched out the HDMI chipset - you can't possibly confuse that chipset 7625 or whatever to be hdmi 2.0. FYI, I don't buy the upgrade pitch. That's been promised by many high end companies only to fail miserably...I'm sure they all had great intentions at heart and wanted to really service their customers. So the product I buy now is what needs to work for me for the next 4-5 years. And after thinking about it, I realized even without 2.0, the XMC-1 will be great (for all the technical reasons you all so eloquently put it). Make no mistake, if it wasn't for the announcement of dual outputs or HDMI 2.0, the XMC-1 wouldn't be on my radar like it is now. I'm still getting it right away...that's the bottom line. |
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Post by tchaik on Feb 15, 2014 23:20:21 GMT -5
Yeah right. Cathy is mean...forget that . Also, the upgrades will not be free nor should they be. The biggest limitation is the number of channels. If 9.2 or 11.2 becomes the norm, then the XMC-1 will be obsolete. So I agree it probably won't happen. Especially with the former Theta guy in charge...but conversely with the former theta guy, I'm confident it'll sound awesome. I don't care about 2.0 and I care less about the upgrade factor. I'm buying it as is. 9.2 or 11.2 will never become the norm. 90% are 5.1! Huge speakers counts for home use IMHO is ridiculous unless you live in a McMansion. IMHO 7.2 is the most any home user would need unless they have a dedicated room seating 10-20 people. agreed... tchaik........ |
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Post by bigboydaddy on Feb 15, 2014 23:59:17 GMT -5
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Post by cwt on Feb 16, 2014 2:36:55 GMT -5
They switched out the HDMI chipset - you can't possibly confuse that chipset 7625 or whatever to be hdmi 2.0. FYI, I don't buy the upgrade pitch. That's been promised by many high end companies only to fail miserably...I'm sure they all had great intentions at heart and wanted to really service their customers. So the product I buy now is what needs to work for me for the next 4-5 years. And after thinking about it, I realized even without 2.0, the XMC-1 will be great (for all the technical reasons you all so eloquently put it). Make no mistake , if it wasn't for the announcement of dual outputs or HDMI 2.0, the XMC-1 wouldn't be on my radar like it is now. I'm still getting it right away...that's the bottom line. I wonder if its that important to people [ personally think the 2 hdmi outs is far more important myself ] how many have taken hdmi.orgs advice ? Precious few may be a good bet sadly ? I would venture that much of the colour space ; bit depth etc as explained by SS goes over a lot of heads ; nobody even knows what the new bluray mvec/h265 standard will be . What size disc 50gb/100gb or more to accomodate or not ? [ considering 50gb replication lines are already in place] Its always been the case that hdmi specs have allways been far in advance of say bluray specs .. I like to look at the big picture ; the rmc1 is looking good for a new chipset.. |
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Post by bolle on Feb 16, 2014 3:41:39 GMT -5
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Bigboydaddy Posts like this I really do not getk. Thanks for what exactly in the context of this thread? Why....? I do not get those people another person here called lemmings I think. Anyway - personally I also really like Big Dan, Lonnie etc. But what happens here is not about these people, it is about Emotiva and professionalism. When they make official anouncements, they do not speak as a private person but has a role and for a whole company. At least for me this is something entirely different than e.g. Big Dan telling something as Dan the private man. Emotiva named the XMC-1 "the promise fulfilled" as well as "beyond expectations". Big words which sett he bar high - for features, for quality, for dates, for everything regarding the product. Well, promises were already broken, expectations risen and now failed to reach. So on my opinion people have every right to criticize Emotiva as a company, not people like Dan or anyone personally. They set the bar high and failed to reach it several times. The XMC-1 may still become a great product, I also may still buy it but again a lot could be learned from its long way to completion how it should be not done. of coursw this is only my opinion... To sum my post up, i think people are upset because they were told and promised a lot which later on often changed or did not quite come out like it was told. Which I think is a pretty fair cause for being upset or sad... |
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Post by dmraupp on Feb 16, 2014 4:19:58 GMT -5
Big Dan, Thank You and Lonnie. And thanks to all at EMOTIVA. Always a Fan!
Bigboydaddy Posts like this I really do not getk. Thanks for what exactly in the context of this thread? Why....? I do not get those people another person here called lemmings I think. Anyway - personally I also really like Big Dan, Lonnie etc. But what happens here is not about these people, it is about Emotiva and professionalism. When they make official anouncements, they do not speak as a private person but has a role and for a whole company. At least for me this is something entirely different than e.g. Big Dan telling something as Dan the private man. Emotiva named the XMC-1 "the promise fulfilled" as well as "beyond expectations". Big words which sett he bar high - for features, for quality, for dates, for everything regarding the product. Well, promises were already broken, expectations risen and now failed to reach. So on my opinion people have every right to criticize Emotiva as a company, not people like Dan or anyone personally. They set the bar high and failed to reach it several times. The XMC-1 may still become a great product, I also may still buy it but again a lot could be learned from its long way to completion how it should be not done. of coursw this is only my opinion... To sum my post up, i think people are upset because they were told and promised a lot which later on often changed or did not quite come out like it was told. Which I think is a pretty fair cause for being upset or sad... I agree 100%.I am also a huge fan of Emotiva.I can honestly say that my system would be average at best without them.I have received incredible customer service and also some smoking deals on truly high-end gear.I do however have to agree that they have promised to deliver the XMC-1 on Feb. 14th on a couple occasions and i mean they promised they had a podcast and promised again that it was final they will ship.I mean seriously I just don't get it.I was totally fine with the silence with absoulutely no updates.I think the lounge actually accepted no news and was content.Then we finally get word that it is done and will be ready to ship on Feb 14th just to be let down again?I am very happy with my Sherbourn pre/pro and cd player and will continue to enjoy them until they no longer function and then maybe the XMC-1 will materialize for me to add one to my system.Blaze on as I will not be reading it anyway. |
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Post by Lsc on Feb 16, 2014 8:03:18 GMT -5
They switched out the HDMI chipset - you can't possibly confuse that chipset 7625 or whatever to be hdmi 2.0. FYI, I don't buy the upgrade pitch. That's been promised by many high end companies only to fail miserably...I'm sure they all had great intentions at heart and wanted to really service their customers. So the product I buy now is what needs to work for me for the next 4-5 years. And after thinking about it, I realized even without 2.0, the XMC-1 will be great (for all the technical reasons you all so eloquently put it). Make no mistake , if it wasn't for the announcement of dual outputs or HDMI 2.0, the XMC-1 wouldn't be on my radar like it is now. I'm still getting it right away...that's the bottom line. I wonder if its that important to people [ personally think the 2 hdmi outs is far more important myself ] how many have taken hdmi.orgs advice ? Precious few may be a good bet sadly ? I would venture that much of the colour space ; bit depth etc as explained by SS goes over a lot of heads ; nobody even knows what the new bluray mvec/h265 standard will be . What size disc 50gb/100gb or more to accomodate or not ? [ considering 50gb replication lines are already in place] Its always been the case that hdmi specs have allways been far in advance of say bluray specs .. I like to look at the big picture ; the rmc1 is looking good for a new chipset.. What's important to me is that the pre-pro I buy has everything that I will need now and the foreseeable future. After thinking things over, I realized I didn't need HDMI 2.0. I hope that makes a little clearer. And further still, I don't need the XMC-1....ok so it sounds better than the UMC-200, so what? I love how my system sounds, why do I need to buy it? Maybe it's better that I stick to my original plan and get it in 2016. I'm sure the HDMI standards and the 4k outlook will be set by then. When it comes to electronics, the longer you can wait, the better you are off. The XMC-1 should be all set with what I need for the next 10-15 years at that time WITHOUT the need to upgrade any part of the unit. Less risk. |
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Post by cwt on Feb 16, 2014 9:28:36 GMT -5
What's important to me is that the pre-pro I buy has everything that I will need now and the foreseeable future. After thinking things over, I realized I didn't need HDMI 2.0. I hope that makes a little clearer. And further still, I don't need the XMC-1....ok so it sounds better than the UMC-200, so what? I love how my system sounds, why do I need to buy it? Maybe it's better that I stick to my original plan and get it in 2016. I'm sure the HDMI standards and the 4k outlook will be set by then. When it comes to electronics, the longer you can wait, the better you are off. The XMC-1 should be all set with what I need for the next 10-15 years at that time WITHOUT the need to upgrade any part of the unit. Less risk. Certainly understand ; similarly to look at it another way I get to enjoy my pt7030 for a bit longer [ best bargain ever just increased its value ] . And ime still waiting for someone to mention the likelihood of 2 hdmi outs on future 4k bd players making this all moot ; but I spose its how much weight is an issue worth ; its all relative to ones needs and everyones got different .. Things can change in the blink of an eye though and if auro3d made an early entrance like its threatening Ide be sorely tempted ; who doesnt like a new toy  Yes I cant see any need beyond 4k and hdmi2.0 with its 32 audio channels and thats with a large projection screen so thats on the other side of the ledger to wait Does your head in at times. |
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Post by kse on Feb 16, 2014 10:03:39 GMT -5
Posts like this I really do not getk. Thanks for what exactly in the context of this thread? Why....? I do not get those people another person here called lemmings I think. Anyway - personally I also really like Big Dan, Lonnie etc. But what happens here is not about these people, it is about Emotiva and professionalism. When they make official anouncements, they do not speak as a private person but has a role and for a whole company. At least for me this is something entirely different than e.g. Big Dan telling something as Dan the private man. Emotiva named the XMC-1 "the promise fulfilled" as well as "beyond expectations". Big words which sett he bar high - for features, for quality, for dates, for everything regarding the product. Well, promises were already broken, expectations risen and now failed to reach. So on my opinion people have every right to criticize Emotiva as a company, not people like Dan or anyone personally. They set the bar high and failed to reach it several times. The XMC-1 may still become a great product, I also may still buy it but again a lot could be learned from its long way to completion how it should be not done. of coursw this is only my opinion... To sum my post up, i think people are upset because they were told and promised a lot which later on often changed or did not quite come out like it was told. Which I think is a pretty fair cause for being upset or sad... I agree 100%.I am also a huge fan of Emotiva. I also agree 100%, and this is precisely why when I offer my $0.02 on some quirkiness exhibited by Emotiva, I never ever use names. For exactly the reason described above. This is a corporation, a business, and nothing I take personal, nor should any specific person at Emotiva. I have always had an interest in quality A/V. However, since my introduction to Emotiva my passion, my personal interest, has grown 10-fold. So they are obviously doing a lot of things right. Without putting too much thought into it, I'd speculate to say that as a single brand, Emotiva (Sherbourn included) would be in the top-5 of companies I spent my hard earned green on in 2013. Not including retailers, mortgages, etc., but single brand name. I really like this company. I like supporting them. They make great products with performance to back it up. I like this forum and the community here. I like the perceived one-on-one attention I receive during any of the correspondence I've had with any of their employees. So when I 'jump in the fire', the intent should be taken more as constructive criticism than ill will. No company is perfect, I think we would all agree. Pointing out areas where one could improve shouldn't be viewed negatively, but accepted, noted, digested, and hopefully attempted to be improved upon. |
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Post by bootman on Feb 16, 2014 10:18:35 GMT -5
Big Dan, Thank You and Lonnie. And thanks to all at EMOTIVA. Always a Fan!
Bigboydaddy Posts like this I really do not getk. Thanks for what exactly in the context of this thread? Why....? I do not get those people another person here called lemmings I think. Anyway - personally I also really like Big Dan, Lonnie etc. But what happens here is not about these people, it is about Emotiva and professionalism. When they make official anouncements, they do not speak as a private person but has a role and for a whole company. At least for me this is something entirely different than e.g. Big Dan telling something as Dan the private man. Emotiva named the XMC-1 "the promise fulfilled" as well as "beyond expectations". Big words which sett he bar high - for features, for quality, for dates, for everything regarding the product. Well, promises were already broken, expectations risen and now failed to reach. So on my opinion people have every right to criticize Emotiva as a company, not people like Dan or anyone personally. They set the bar high and failed to reach it several times. The XMC-1 may still become a great product, I also may still buy it but again a lot could be learned from its long way to completion how it should be not done. of coursw this is only my opinion... To sum my post up, i think people are upset because they were told and promised a lot which later on often changed or did not quite come out like it was told. Which I think is a pretty fair cause for being upset or sad... It is a post at the other end of the extreme. I tend to ignore the extremes when I know real meaningful posts are somewhere in the middle. If anyone hasn't seen the XMC video of the units being assembles just head over to the XMC site. Now I see manuals being put into the boxes, so where can I get a copy of the PDF so I can fully research a potential purchase? |
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Post by wbroshea on Feb 16, 2014 11:50:05 GMT -5
Can we at least get an edit or correction on the announcement by Dan. It is still at the top of the page of every single forum and the main page. Just makes it confusing. I'm not going to even offer my opinion on the subject as we have seen where that leads many times over. Nothing further from me on this subject.
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Yes I cant see any need beyond 4k and hdmi2.0 with its 32 audio channels and thats with a large projection screen so thats on the other side of the ledger to wait 
