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Post by geebo on Feb 16, 2014 11:59:53 GMT -5
Can we at least get an edit or correction on the announcement by Dan. It is still at the top of the page of every single forum and the main page. Just makes it confusing. I'm not going to even offer my opinion on the subject as we have seen where that leads many times over. Nothing further from me on this subject. It's the first message in this thread. emotivalounge.proboards.com/post/615043/thread |
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Post by wbroshea on Feb 16, 2014 13:35:01 GMT -5
Can we at least get an edit or correction on the announcement by Dan. It is still at the top of the page of every single forum and the main page. Just makes it confusing. I'm not going to even offer my opinion on the subject as we have seen where that leads many times over. Nothing further from me on this subject. It's the first message in this thread. emotivalounge.proboards.com/post/615043/threadNo this is a subsequent thread, which will eventually die off and fall off the first pages (unless it is pinned to the first page, maybe it is I don't remember). Meanwhile Dan's Post on Jan 29 appears as the top thread on the home page and any subsequently selected topic and will remain as such until something new is posted. Do you really think it is appropriate to still have that post sitting out there as a primary post on the subject with no longer correct info? Anybody who doesn't follow this forum very much might just see that post with inaccurate info and not find the correct info. All it would take is two minutes of editing to give the correct info. I think the original should be edited or a subsequent correction as post two to avoid later confusion. What's the downside? EDIT: Actually check that. Doesn't matter if it is pinned or not, Dan's post should be edited. A pinned topic will only work in that particular subject heading whereas Dan's post is the first post in every subject. If I only go into the amplifiers section I could read Dan's post and then leave the forum without ever finding out the accurate info. Again the downside to editing the post? |
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Post by 2muchht on Feb 16, 2014 13:45:39 GMT -5
I'm not sure what thread it was but you can try and find it to see what can be done with that AD8000 video processor. As someone else has noted, the 800x series parts are video processors as used on quite a few contemporary AVRs and similar products. They do a very reasonable job of upscaling incoming content to 2160/30p but they are NOT port processors. Bringing those parts into the discussion about HDMI 2.0 or HDCP 2.2 is a diversion as they are NOT used for that purpose. With regard to the "matrix" thing, you seem to neglect the fact that unless you use an HDMI matrix switcher and let the AVR or SSP decode one and send HDMI to the other when two audio streams are output at the same time you either need one to be analog or have a DSP configuration that can decode two streams at once. Yes, the XMC-1 has two processors and could, in theory, do two decodes at the same time but that would get in the way of using the second DSP for its probable main intended purpose of post-processing and, again, one presumes since no one other than the folks at MDS or Emo knows for sure, Dirac, etc. Of course, the real mystery part of the puzzle to enable much of what is being talked about in this thread is what is available in parts that we don't know about and which are shown to manufacturers, ODMs and design houses under NDA. You can bet that there are 2.0/2.2 parts available to do everything being debated here that we simply have no exposure to. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2014 14:11:30 GMT -5
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Post by geebo on Feb 16, 2014 14:36:27 GMT -5
No this is a subsequent thread, which will eventually die off and fall off the first pages (unless it is pinned to the first page, maybe it is I don't remember). Meanwhile Dan's Post on Jan 29 appears as the top thread on the home page and any subsequently selected topic and will remain as such until something new is posted. Do you really think it is appropriate to still have that post sitting out there as a primary post on the subject with no longer correct info? Anybody who doesn't follow this forum very much might just see that post with inaccurate info and not find the correct info. All it would take is two minutes of editing to give the correct info. I think the original should be edited or a subsequent correction as post two to avoid later confusion. What's the downside? EDIT: Actually check that. Doesn't matter if it is pinned or not, Dan's post should be edited. A pinned topic will only work in that particular subject heading whereas Dan's post is the first post in every subject. If I only go into the amplifiers section I could read Dan's post and then leave the forum without ever finding out the accurate info. Again the downside to editing the post? It's the first post in this very thread that Dan started with regards to HDMI 2.0 and 1.4b. How would you have him edit the post that started the thread? |
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Post by DYohn on Feb 16, 2014 15:01:38 GMT -5
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Post by Lsc on Feb 16, 2014 15:29:04 GMT -5
This is very offensive. Read the forum rules. |
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Post by audiobill on Feb 16, 2014 15:38:58 GMT -5
I propose we lock this messy thread.
Enough!
moderator, could you please set up a poll?
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Post by geebo on Feb 16, 2014 15:43:06 GMT -5
Okay. That makes more sense. But he did start this thread to address the issue. |
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Post by DYohn on Feb 16, 2014 15:47:06 GMT -5
Okay. That makes more sense. But he did start this thread to address the issue. Absolutely. Which is why I thanked him for the post and was surprised when others attacked. But this *IS* the Emotiva forum, and sometimes there be monsters here. Or at least trolls.  |
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Post by geebo on Feb 16, 2014 17:25:57 GMT -5
Okay. That makes more sense. But he did start this thread to address the issue. Absolutely. Which is why I thanked him for the post and was surprised when others attacked. But this *IS* the Emotiva forum, and sometimes there be monsters here. Or at least trolls. And even monster trolls with tangled panties.  |
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Post by 2muchht on Feb 16, 2014 17:33:36 GMT -5
Or, one suspects, people who need to vent because they feel that they have been let down and/or disappointed for whatever reason. We WERE promised a price for the XMC-1, we were promised (more than once) deliver date estimates, we were promised a HARD delivery date of 14-Feb, we were TOLD that it would be "...Full HDMI 2.0...". We did NOT make that up. Emotive told us those things as facts we reasonably believed because, well, shouldn't we believe what they say?
Feeling disappointed, and expressing the same, as long as it is done in a reasonable and civil manner is note being a troll, a monster troll or having your shorts in a bind. It is simply feeling a bit disappointed when the subject product has been promoted as the greatest things ever to happen.
Hopefully one day soon it WILL happen and the wait will be worth it. Until then, the saga will continue. One can only hope that the wait will be discussed in a respectable manner without name calling, partisan scowls and such.
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Post by wbroshea on Feb 16, 2014 17:38:33 GMT -5
Really? I'm a troll because I think the correct information should be in the thread that is at the top of every single subject rather than some thread that will make its way to the back pages (especially if it is locked)? Again, what's the downside to editing?
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Post by geebo on Feb 16, 2014 17:41:38 GMT -5
Or, one suspects, people who need to vent because they feel that they have been let down and/or disappointed for whatever reason. We WERE promised a price for the XMC-1, we were promised (more than once) deliver date estimates, we were promised a HARD delivery date of 14-Feb, we were TOLD that it would be "...Full HDMI 2.0...". We did NOT make that up. Emotive told us those things as facts we reasonably believed because, well, shouldn't we believe what they say? Feeling disappointed, and expressing the same, as long as it is done in a reasonable and civil manner is note being a troll, a monster troll or having your shorts in a bind. It is simply feeling a bit disappointed when the subject product has been promoted as the greatest things ever to happen. Hopefully one day soon it WILL happen and the wait will be worth it. Until then, the saga will continue. One can only hope that the wait will be discussed in a respectable manner without name calling, partisan scowls and such. Your post is not what I had in mind. It's those that are less an expression of disappointment and more of a personal attack. |
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Post by autocrat on Feb 16, 2014 17:41:41 GMT -5
No HDMI 2.0? For me, that's for the next projector, the next flatscreen and probably the next playback device as well. I don't plan on updating them any time soon, so in other words, I couldn't care less. For me, the 8/2 HDMI config is much more useful, there's a good chance I wouldn't have bothered with it if it had a single output.
That said, it probably shouldn't have been announced that way - IMO the real announcement was the delay and the HDMI2.0 the cover story, but I'm not going to kick someone who has just shot themselves in their other foot. It must really sting.
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Post by geebo on Feb 16, 2014 17:44:03 GMT -5
Really? I'm a troll because I think the correct information should be in the thread that is at the top of every single subject rather than some thread that will make its way to the back pages (especially if it is locked)? Again, what's the downside to editing? I don't think you were ever referred to as a troll... |
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Post by 2muchht on Feb 16, 2014 18:07:44 GMT -5
...Your post is not what I had in mind. It's those that are less an expression of disappointment and more of a personal attack. No offence taken or meant from here. I think those at this part of the thread are all on the same track. |
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Post by Lsc on Feb 16, 2014 18:17:24 GMT -5
What's important to me is that the pre-pro I buy has everything that I will need now and the foreseeable future. After thinking things over, I realized I didn't need HDMI 2.0. I hope that makes a little clearer. And further still, I don't need the XMC-1....ok so it sounds better than the UMC-200, so what? I love how my system sounds, why do I need to buy it? Maybe it's better that I stick to my original plan and get it in 2016. I'm sure the HDMI standards and the 4k outlook will be set by then. When it comes to electronics, the longer you can wait, the better you are off. The XMC-1 should be all set with what I need for the next 10-15 years at that time WITHOUT the need to upgrade any part of the unit. Less risk. Certainly understand ; similarly to look at it another way I get to enjoy my pt7030 for a bit longer [ best bargain ever just increased its value ] . And ime still waiting for someone to mention the likelihood of 2 hdmi outs on future 4k bd players making this all moot ; but I spose its how much weight is an issue worth ; its all relative to ones needs and everyones got different .. Things can change in the blink of an eye though and if auro3d made an early entrance like its threatening Ide be sorely tempted ; who doesnt like a new toy Yes I cant see any need beyond 4k and hdmi2.0 with its 32 audio channels and thats with a large projection screen so thats on the other side of the ledger to wait  Does your head in at times. The 7030 was a nice buy. The sound quality I'm sure is great. And yes you can sit back like I will be now and just watch it all unfold before we buy anything. I'll let all the 4K and 2.0 settle ...no need to be hasty. I let all this hoopla get to me and act irrational. Time to be methodical and patient in my upgrades. 2016...with 2.0. Who is all planning on waiting or getting it right away? |
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Post by RightinLA on Feb 16, 2014 18:30:51 GMT -5
The 7030 was a nice buy. The sound quality I'm sure is great. And yes you can sit back like I will be now and just watch it all unfold before we buy anything. I'll let all the 4K and 2.0 settle ...no need to be hasty. I let all this hoopla get to me and act irrational. Time to be methodical and patient in my upgrades. 2016...with 2.0. Who is all planning on waiting or getting it right away? This is a good question. The whole XMC-1 "development" over the past five or so years has driven some customers to other units, while others have waited patiently, and some not so patiently. Once the XMC-1 is ready to ship, some customers will buy right away. However, others will wait to let the inevitable hardware/firmware issues show up and then make a decision. This most recent event and how it unfolded adds to a rather questionable track record concerning the introduction of new audio/video processors going back several years to the UMC-1. A very high bar was set for the XMC-1, and not meeting expectations will inevitably lead to disappointment and discontent from many loyal customers. This will undoubtedly put more disappointed customers on the sidelines as there is now much greater uncertainty about what the XMC-1 will really be. Let's hope the worst is over and we can look forward to a fine product. I'll keep my fingers crossed. |
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Post by LCSeminole on Feb 16, 2014 18:33:49 GMT -5
Who is all planning on waiting or getting it right away? I have an ST60 series Panasonic plasma, their very last manufactured 60 series line. I bought it because I wanted bigger and had a feeling that 4K is at least a couple of years from being mainstream along with agreed upon specs, so until we have 10 or 12 bit 4K video with frame rates of at least 60Hz, then 4K isn't really giving consumers it's full capability, so a 4K flat panel won't be on my list of must haves for quite a while. Given what I just said, your question is an easy one for me. |
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