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Post by jackfish on Mar 9, 2014 19:32:22 GMT -5
It can't be a good thing not having a unit in the marketplace.
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Post by pop on Mar 9, 2014 19:44:19 GMT -5
Oh boy, Speakers as well.  This thing could get heated. |
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Post by dust770 on Mar 9, 2014 20:31:33 GMT -5
Oh boy, Speakers as well. This thing could get heated. Yes we were teased with a pic of a good looking floor stander a while back and nothing since. I have been eagerly waiting for another teaser, however people on this forum tend to get pretty upset when Emotiva can't release products exactly as anticipated so those of us who love teasers see less and less of them these days  Unless I missed it there hasn't been much of a teaser at all about subs. |
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Post by pop on Mar 10, 2014 8:30:25 GMT -5
Well the problem with the teaser is this.
"Look for the speakers to come out in March" Now you see this beautiful tower, and folks who are fans of the old speaker line are willing to jump on immediately. There was the X-ref line, but it was more of a step back than a move forward.
And then we are all saying "Yeah right, like March 2020?"
And you get replies like this "Speakers aren't complicated like electronics, they don't take much time to do"
Now here we are in March scratching our heads, thinking "I guess they are complicated" Really we just sit in the dark trying to find a fork to eat our steak.
Really, it's not a huge deal it is just saddening because you know it will be a great product. However, if you string people along for long enough you get negative emotions involved. As the OP mentioned in his first post, you should have a unit on the market. Teasers without a firm release date are like telling your kid "Hey we are going to Disney World in March" leaving out the fact that it could be March of 2018. What was the point?
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Post by Ramair on Mar 25, 2014 9:06:35 GMT -5
We've been told for well over 4+ years that a "top-o-the-line" subwoofer is in the works. I've given up waiting...rarely do I even check the boards anymore. Emotiva's word means very little to me these days. It's a real shame honestly. I was a very early adopter of Emotiva products, when few people even were talking about them. Looks like it may be time to move on and spend my money elsewhere.
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Post by pop on Mar 25, 2014 9:25:00 GMT -5
We've been told for well over 4+ years that a "top-o-the-line" subwoofer is in the works. I've given up waiting...rarely do I even check the boards anymore. Emotiva's word means very little to me these days. It's a real shame honestly. I was a very early adopter of Emotiva products, when few people even were talking about them. Looks like it may be time to move on and spend my money elsewhere. I think the XMC is taking precedence over anything else for them right now. Rightfully so, as they need to get the XMC out and loved on. I think once the XMC is out to the public it will free a bunch of R&D for the guys. I am sure their sub will be a great performer. As you are aware there are many ID companies putting out insanely good subs. SVS PSA Rythmik etc. etc. Good luck on your search. |
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Post by aud on Mar 25, 2014 9:25:47 GMT -5
Well the problem with the teaser is this. "Look for the speakers to come out in March" Now you see this beautiful tower, and folks who are fans of the old speaker line are willing to jump on immediately. There was the X-ref line, but it was more of a step back than a move forward. And then we are all saying "Yeah right, like March 2020?" And you get replies like this "Speakers aren't complicated like electronics, they don't take much time to do" Now here we are in March scratching our heads, thinking "I guess they are complicated" Really we just sit in the dark trying to find a fork to eat our steak. Really, it's not a huge deal it is just saddening because you know it will be a great product. However, if you string people along for long enough you get negative emotions involved. As the OP mentioned in his first post, you should have a unit on the market. Teasers without a firm release date are like telling your kid "Hey we are going to Disney World in March" leaving out the fact that it could be March of 2018. What was the point? I have two x-ref-12 subs in my family room set up. I like them. I always wondered why they took them off the market. Do you know why? You say it was a step backwards. |
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Post by Cogito on Mar 25, 2014 9:29:51 GMT -5
Fortunately with the subwoofer market, there are plenty of "top-notch" contenders in the market that offer a huge bang for the buck. The likes of SVS Sound, Hsu Research, Rythmik, Outlaw Audio and Power Sound Audio come to mind.
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Post by pop on Mar 25, 2014 9:33:31 GMT -5
Well the problem with the teaser is this. "Look for the speakers to come out in March" Now you see this beautiful tower, and folks who are fans of the old speaker line are willing to jump on immediately. There was the X-ref line, but it was more of a step back than a move forward. And then we are all saying "Yeah right, like March 2020?" And you get replies like this "Speakers aren't complicated like electronics, they don't take much time to do" Now here we are in March scratching our heads, thinking "I guess they are complicated" Really we just sit in the dark trying to find a fork to eat our steak. Really, it's not a huge deal it is just saddening because you know it will be a great product. However, if you string people along for long enough you get negative emotions involved. As the OP mentioned in his first post, you should have a unit on the market. Teasers without a firm release date are like telling your kid "Hey we are going to Disney World in March" leaving out the fact that it could be March of 2018. What was the point? I have two x-ref-12 subs in my family room set up. I like them. I always wondered why they took them off the market. Do you know why? You say it was a step backwards. I am not too sure why the Xref12 was taken off of the product page. Maybe it wasn't selling? I used one for 2 years. In the right application it is a great sub. I am sure the Xref speaker line is great but they definitely were not a movement towards a reference line from the older series. |
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Post by cd on Mar 25, 2014 12:37:03 GMT -5
Emotiva simply dropped the ball with their subs. As Ramair noted, they teased us over 4 years ago - remember the super-duper DSP-controlled subs they were touting? And they even went so far as to announce a product and then rescinded it because they said they wanted to up the power and give it a flashy UI.
That's all well and good. But it simply does not take 4 years to make those things happen, sounds like a 6-9 month project, tops. As for the XMC-1 bleeding off their engineering talent - seriously? What do they have, 2 post-grad guys working out of a basement? Come on. What happened was they got silly and way over-promised and then did not follow thru at all. And by not saying anything they bet most of us will forget. We didn't... And, I'm still waiting for my UMC-1's 3D board.
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Post by pedrocols on Mar 25, 2014 13:41:52 GMT -5
Oh oh....SMH
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Post by Boomzilla on Mar 25, 2014 13:52:50 GMT -5
There will be an Emotiva subwoofer when Emotiva chooses to offer one.
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Post by drtrey3 on Mar 25, 2014 14:29:54 GMT -5
I just got back from the home office, and they are moving stuff around big time! So I concur with the XMC focus as the mess was from working on the factory part of the building.
Trey
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Post by audiofile on Mar 25, 2014 14:30:51 GMT -5
see post below...poor spelling on my part will NOT be tolerated!  |
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Post by Jim on Mar 25, 2014 14:33:05 GMT -5
I just got back from the home office, and they are moving stuff around big time! So I concur with the XMC focus as the mess was from working on the factory part of the building. Trey Pics or it didn't happen! |
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Post by audiofile on Mar 25, 2014 14:35:25 GMT -5
I'm very happy with my XRef-12 and am glad I purchased one when they were available. However, the point was made earlier that there is a LOT of quality competition out there for the subwoofer dollars available. If Emotiva cannot offer the quality they generally offer at a leading price point, I for one see no reason for them to get back into that market segment. Just my .02 given the fact that I have one already.  |
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Post by monkumonku on Mar 25, 2014 14:40:03 GMT -5
I am very pleased with my Xref subs but they are not for bassheads who like weakening the foundations of their houses. They don't go as deep as other subs, or play as loudly. I like mine because they are very musical and they also go loud and deep enough for me but I can see how others would not be satisfied.
With all the excellent sub makers out there, I don't think it behooves Emo to try and dent that market since the others are well established and make good products. Aside from a lower price point, what could they offer that other companies don't offer already?
I think the Xref series filled a niche - a good quality sub at a reasonable price that was musical and compact, and had built-in PEQ. I'm not sure how much demand there is for something like that versus subs that have higher and deeper output, though.
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Post by pop on Mar 25, 2014 14:48:32 GMT -5
I think the Xref series filled a niche - a good quality sub at a reasonable price that was musical and compact, and had built-in PEQ. Can I put this review up on my X-ref12 sale thread? |
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Post by monkumonku on Mar 25, 2014 15:04:23 GMT -5
I think the Xref series filled a niche - a good quality sub at a reasonable price that was musical and compact, and had built-in PEQ. Can I put this review up on my X-ref12 sale thread? Hey, anything to help you sell it! Personally, that is a crazy good price for that sub, cat scratches or not. I would buy it if you were local to me. The Xref's are great subs for music. What I like about them is how bass notes are distinct (so you can actually tell what note it is, not just a low frequency noise) and it is well-defined. No flabbiness. If you want something more for HT then I'd go elsewhere but for music, these are great. |
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Post by copperpipe on Mar 25, 2014 16:11:00 GMT -5
Can I put this review up on my X-ref12 sale thread? Hey, anything to help you sell it! Personally, that is a crazy good price for that sub, cat scratches or not. I would buy it if you were local to me. The Xref's are great subs for music. What I like about them is how bass notes are distinct (so you can actually tell what note it is, not just a low frequency noise) and it is well-defined. No flabbiness. If you want something more for HT then I'd go elsewhere but for music, these are great. That's what I don't really get about subs; how can it be musical (ie good for music) but not good for home theatre? A flabby sub for music is going to give flabby sound in explosions. Maybe it's not as easy to detect, but I doubt it; listen to the same explosion with a "musical" sub and the same explosion on some other non-musical sub and I bet the sound is better in the "musical" one. In my uninformed, highly opinionated opinion, there is no such thing as a musical sub; it either plays back clean, tight, accurate bass, or it doesn't. The sub doesn't differentiate b/n music or explosion, bass is bass. You may notice the effects of a poorly performing sub more quickly in a musical setting, but how does that make me feel better? "Well gee I'm hearing a lot of noise, I'm not sure whether it's part of the movie or just my sub disintegrating but it sure sounds swell to me". |
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