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Post by basquiat on Apr 17, 2014 18:32:07 GMT -5
i just bought a denon dp-62l turntable im running xpr-1 amps, xsp-1 gen 2 pre, erc-3 cd player with acoustat model 4 full range electrostatic speakers, all cables are mogambi gold xlr and speaker wires are audio quest caldera cables......my problem is that i was using a pro-ject rpm 1.3 genie turntable and i would here good bass with this turntable, since i connected the denon i don't get that same bass, evrything sound very bright. When i would play the cd or steam music i would get a awsome bass tone. so i tried back and fourth with both turntables and the same thing, the denon wouldn't give me that bass sound that im use to. Is this normal for the denon, because ive heard greatthings about this turntable....is there something i need to do.....the cartridge is a orfoton 2m. Is the problem the catridge, or my system, or speakers. the ones he had were not in the same class as mine....but i did here some bass, and his speakers were smaller than mine, his listening room was that of a small freshman dorm, my room has a 15+foot ceiling....your help would be much needed thanks emo lounge...mark
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Post by dougport on Apr 17, 2014 19:34:52 GMT -5
Mark,
Which Ortofon 2M cartridge, in the 2M line they have Red, blue, bronze, and black? Also what cartridge do you have in the Pro-Ject table? I think it comes with the Sumiko Pearl. You could try swapping the cartridges out and see how that sounds.
Doug
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Post by novisnick on Apr 17, 2014 20:08:11 GMT -5
I'm running the XSP-1 gen 1 and a pair of XPR-1s as well,,,,,it's not this gear that is the problem.
Now ,,,the hard part,,,,,I have 5 TT and they all sound different with everything else the same
Please don't hate me for owning 5,,,,,it just happened like that,,,,,a freak of nature,,,,No actually an answer to a prayer,,,multiplied! Be carefully what you ask for,,,,,He's listening, this time He acted!
Thank you Lord!
Anyway, my two direct drives do not have the bass that the other belt drives have. Not sure if that makes a difference, just an observation.
The higher end TT has a lot more bass but also has an Exact 2 cartridge on it,,,,this does make a difference in my mind.
Also, setting up the cartridge is very important to maximize the sound that is produced. If unsure ,,,there are plenty of you tube vids out there. Forgive me as I don't know how much experience you have with TTs as I'm still learning as well.
Not sure what else to tell you but if you do have access to other cartridges I would highly recommend trying them.
Let me know if I can help.
Nick
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Post by trinhsman on Apr 17, 2014 20:08:25 GMT -5
Ortofon 2M cartridges are very good. I have owned 3 of them, and now have the Black. First I would check that the cartridge is set up properly. This includes VTI, as well as overhang. Next, make sure the tracking force is correct. The dial is OK, but a digital scale will get you spot on. Finally, make sure the anti skating is set for the best level. If you do all of this and still do not get bass, something is definitely wrong. I wish you well.
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Post by Gary Cook on Apr 17, 2014 20:18:49 GMT -5
I have a Denon DD TT, have had for decades, and it sounds fine. So I'd also suggest a full on cartridge set up and if that doesn't fix it then cartridge replacement.
Cheers
Gary
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Post by frenchyfranky on Apr 17, 2014 23:22:37 GMT -5
Just my two cents, I think that a recent pro-ject rpm 1.3 genie turntable should be more tight and precise then an old Denon. IMO, but honestly I never compared.
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Post by Gary Cook on Apr 18, 2014 1:06:25 GMT -5
Just my two cents, I think that a recent pro-ject rpm 1.3 genie turntable should be more tight and precise then an old Denon. IMO, but honestly I never compared. s'il vous plaît ne plat sur le denon Franky! Cheers Gary |
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Post by brubacca on Apr 18, 2014 6:14:00 GMT -5
When I first got my TT it had no bass. The recommendation from others was:
Try some vibrapod isolators or something similar under the TT feet. (I actually already had some lying around doing nothing so I tried them and they worked).
Also it was recommended to check stylus force and possibly add a bit.
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Post by Porscheguy on Apr 18, 2014 8:50:06 GMT -5
You should try CD's. They almost always sound much better.
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Post by novisnick on Apr 18, 2014 9:10:10 GMT -5
You should try CD's. They almost always sound much better. Boo! Hiss! unexceptable responce!!!!!!!!!! just saying,,,,,,,,,he,,,,,he,,,,,,he,,,,, |
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Post by monkumonku on Apr 18, 2014 9:21:16 GMT -5
You should try CD's. They almost always sound much better. Boo! Hiss! unexceptable responce!!!!!!!!!! just saying,,,,,,,,,he,,,,,he,,,,,,he,,,,, Is that a response to Ed or are you describing the vinyl experience?  If the latter, then you left out a couple of things. Add, "Ticks! Pops! Static!"  |
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Post by Porscheguy on Apr 18, 2014 9:22:53 GMT -5
I guess I'll just never understand why guys insist on using technology invented 127 years ago. Vinyl is plagued with issues including a SN ratio of about 65db and wow and flutter problems not to mention fragility and cleaning hassles. Technology has moved on. We don't ride horses any more either..  |
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Post by novisnick on Apr 18, 2014 9:35:02 GMT -5
Boo! Hiss! unexceptable responce!!!!!!!!!! just saying,,,,,,,,,he,,,,,he,,,,,,he,,,,, Is that a response to Ed or are you describing the vinyl experience? If the latter, then you left out a couple of things. Add, "Ticks! Pops! Static!" you need new vinyl or a better TT if thats what your system does.,,,,Mine, does none of those things .: ) |
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Post by monkumonku on Apr 18, 2014 9:39:03 GMT -5
Is that a response to Ed or are you describing the vinyl experience? If the latter, then you left out a couple of things. Add, "Ticks! Pops! Static!" you need new vinyl or a better TT if thats what your system does.,,,,Mine, does none of those things .: ) Then maybe you ought to get a hearing test. He he he... (just kidding) Blame it on Ed, he started it!!! |
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Post by Porscheguy on Apr 18, 2014 9:42:04 GMT -5
Please show me that a turntable achieves a sn of close to 100db like a cd does.
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Post by novisnick on Apr 18, 2014 9:59:21 GMT -5
Please show me that a turntable achieves a sn of close to 100db like a cd does. please show me a CD that plays ALL of the music,,,,,,,,,,, |
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Post by Cogito on Apr 18, 2014 10:06:20 GMT -5
Is that a response to Ed or are you describing the vinyl experience? If the latter, then you left out a couple of things. Add, "Ticks! Pops! Static!" you need new vinyl or a better TT if thats what your system does.,,,,Mine, does none of those things .: ) That may be part of it, but EVERY LP ever made, has pops and ticks regardless of how good the pressing and/or turntable is. Years past I've listened to many "high end" turntable such as Micro Seiki and VPI that cost considerably more than my combined system, playing top quality, brand new, virgin, heavy pressed, LPs and could still clearly hear the pops and ticks that are inherent to the format. You can minimize it, but never completely remove it. No exceptions. |
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Post by Cogito on Apr 18, 2014 10:18:40 GMT -5
Please show me that a turntable achieves a sn of close to 100db like a cd does. please show me a CD that plays ALL of the music,,,,,,,,,,, To be fair, basic physics would dictate that the LP/Stylus/Cartridge/tonearm/turntable electromechanical limitations would prevent said combination from being able to play "all the music" either. |
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Post by Porscheguy on Apr 18, 2014 10:25:53 GMT -5
Lasers look but don't touch but a TT drags a stylus across a surface. That is the inherent flaw.
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Post by monkumonku on Apr 18, 2014 10:35:41 GMT -5
Lasers look but don't touch but a TT drags a stylus across a surface. That is the inherent flaw. Yeah but some people are touchy/feely and some are not. There's room for both. |
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If the latter, then you left out a couple of things. Add, "Ticks! Pops! Static!" 
