|
|
Post by bluemeanies on Aug 4, 2014 8:07:12 GMT -5
I think that behind what they are saying is if someone is considering doing Atmos in there HT they should do it the right way which translates into spending more money. If you are up to the challenge do Atmos correctly and not half ass. However Atmos is still in diapers. The market is driving Atmos at this time. Not the consumer. I do believe that this is another market hype and more than likely be as successful as Quadrophonic.
Remember when Quad was all the fad. This new marketing phase for Dolby IMHO can be attractive in a Commercial Theater but I think will prove to be unsuccessful in the consumer market of home theater.
To be honest it does not excite me personally that much. Yes I am curious to have a listen in a commercial theater environment but I agree with Audioholics that if you have a 5.1, 6.1 or 7.1 system and have it calibrated correctly your theater with be immersed in plenty of realistic, bing, bang, boom sound that will give excitement to your family and friends.
I myself could stand to use a more updated processor but I will not be running out any time soon to purchase a processor with Dolby Atmos.
The Home Theater market needs a shot in the arm specifically Dolby but I do not think that Atmos is the way to go.
It's not for me personally, just like 3D. Nice to look at now and then but I would not want a steady diet of 3D. I do not believe the 3D market was successful as was speculated.
IMHO Dolby Atmos is hype to get the consumer interested enough to buy more processors, receivers and speakers not to mention cables, and perhaps the hiring of a contractor to re-route cables.
As MOST of us know this is a free country and by all means you can have a different view and spend your money.
This is an unnecessary upgrade if that is what you are labeling it.
|
|
|
|
Post by mgbpuff on Aug 4, 2014 9:12:07 GMT -5
I'm thinking seriously of changing to a Dolby Atmos system. I just bought 4 Emotiva ceiling speakers and I have my eye on the Marantz AV7702, waiting for it to come out in October. I was going to buy an XMC-1, but I think it was too long to market and now there are exiting new prepros on the horizon. I was watching Laser discs and listening to RF Dolby Digital before most knew such things existed. I had 6.1 multichannel by utilizing an analog Dolby unit on the side channels of a Dolby Digital early processor to derive a back channel. I had high def via a JVC HD tape player viewed on my early HD tv (3 crt Mitsubishi)and was able to record HD movies from firewire off of cable. I converted my analog HD tv to be HDMI and HDCP compliant via a Fury converter so I could use HD and Blu Ray. Then I had one of the early Toshiba HD players and about 30 movies before that format succumed to Blu Ray. I like being on the forefront, it's fun!
|
|
|
|
Post by sahmen on Aug 4, 2014 10:18:11 GMT -5
I'm thinking seriously of changing to a Dolby Atmos system. I just bought 4 Emotiva ceiling speakers and I have my eye on the Marantz AV7702, waiting for it to come out in October. I was going to buy an XMC-1, but I think it was too long to market and now there are exiting new prepros on the horizon. I was watching Laser discs and listening to RF Dolby Digital before most new such things existed. I had 6.1 multichannel by utilizing an analog Dolby unit on the side channels of a Dolby Digital early processor to derive a back channel. I had high def via a JVC HD tape player viewed on my early HD tv (3 crt Mitsubishi)and was able to record HD movies from firewire off of cable. I converted my analog HD tv to be HDMI and HDCP compliant via a Fury converter so I could use HD and Blu Ray. Then I had one of the early Toshiba HD players and about 30 movies before that format succumed to Blu Ray. I like being on the forefront, it's fun! Lol! I was like that not too long ago, but I just got the wind knocked out of me by too many quick changes, and couldn't keep up anymore... So now, I have become a fence-sitter (ugh!), waiting to see how soon the dust over Atmos vs DTS-UHD, not to mention HDMI 2.0 and HDCP 2.2, will settle, before I take another big jump... Not that the fence-sitting is too much fun either... but it seems to me that these 4 little puppies (with emphasis on "puppies" since all 4 technologies are in their relative infancy), have rendered things too unstable, by throwing up too many uncertain possibilities into the air, and future-proofing is essential to me...Heck, I can see some of the Atmos enabled receivers and pre pros announced for the fall becoming obsolete in less than three months, that is, if they're not already! e.g Some of them may have HDMI 2.0 compliance, but not HDCP 2.2... As far as I know, none of them address, or are able to address, DTS-UHD needs so far, and yet we know that, too, is coming down the pipeline, and really fast..., so what is a guy like me to do? And don't get me started on the complications of future video decoding, even though, those do not bother me too much as yet. One solid way of addressing all this uncertainty is to have a truly modular design that can adapt itself by taking on new features that come out as the present situation evolves... The XMC-1 promises that, but I hope it has the grunt to deliver on that promise..., Okay, time to clamber down, off the soap box  |
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2014 10:30:31 GMT -5
Placing speakers on my ceiling or buying new speakers that bounce off the ceiling. I can't believe this is serious. Come up with another idea to convince everyone that what they have now is obsolete or they need a new pre-pro and some more speakers. If folks would concentrate on setting up their 5 or 7 speaker system correctly and having their speakers matched they would most likely be very happy without chasing the latest marketing/technology fad. Atmos in theaters, fine ..... in my home, forget it! www.youtube.com/watch?v=B4pXZZtyCyI&feature=youtu.be |
|
|
|
Post by mgbpuff on Aug 4, 2014 12:39:07 GMT -5
I've got a pile of outdated equipment, so I guess that makes me an early adopter.   |
|
|
|
Post by sahmen on Aug 11, 2014 22:13:03 GMT -5
For what it's worth, here is another take on Atmos, this time, as implemented by Pioneer in their receivers :
|
|
|
|
Post by ÈlTwo on Aug 11, 2014 22:39:15 GMT -5
Interesting, but very hard to watch; Scott blinks incessantly and Andrew never blinks.
This is one of those things I wish I could just read a transcript rather than spend the time listening.
|
|
|
|
Post by Michael Hill on Aug 14, 2014 10:34:34 GMT -5
It does seem to me that ATMOS technology might present a pretty great opportunity for Emotiva to create a speciality product, a "generic" upwards firing speaker that would sit on top of maybe hundreds of competing speakers (and of course Emotiva's), particularly if Emotiva could be FIRST TO MARKET with such a system. I'm thinking "toppers" for tower speakers but there's no reason they couldn't sit on stand mounted speakers as well, particularly if you design a family of upward firing speakers, small, medium and large. Definitive Technology is already doing something like this but it's not "generic" but intended to mate with only a single speaker in their family. www.definitivetech.com/products/a60I also see this as an opportunity for Emotiva to get into the subwoofer business as well by creating maybe an Atmos Expansion Kit, 2 speaker toppers & subwoofer. 4 speaker toppers & subwoofer. Additional toppers can be added for additional speakers, etc. Of course Emotiva already has much of the speaker parts either from your in-wall or pro line of speakers, etc. For the enclosure(s) I'd recommend black ash, a black sock, or even a wire mesh type cover over the upward firing drivers and many people wouldn't even know it's an add on to existing speakers. Just an idea. And as an aside I'm even more satisfied with my Emotiva Fusion 8100 than when I bought it and reviewed it originally. My home theater has never sounded better. |
|
bootman
Emo VIPs 
Typing useless posts on internet forums....
Posts: 9,358
|
Post by bootman on Aug 14, 2014 11:07:20 GMT -5
|
|
Erwin.BE
Emo VIPs
It's the room, stupid!
Posts: 2,269
|
Post by Erwin.BE on Aug 14, 2014 13:52:59 GMT -5
It does seem to me that ATMOS technology might present a pretty great opportunity for Emotiva to create a speciality product: a 16-channel RMC [Reference Media Controller].  Sorry... irresistible!
|
|
Erwin.BE
Emo VIPs
It's the room, stupid!
Posts: 2,269
|
Post by Erwin.BE on Aug 14, 2014 13:53:38 GMT -5
|
|
|
|
Post by geebo on Aug 14, 2014 20:37:56 GMT -5
|
|
|
|
Post by jonas79 on Aug 15, 2014 1:36:53 GMT -5
I would not use Atmos in my livingroom. But 4K Hdmi 2.0 and 2.2 HDCP a would use when i change the tv 2017 or 2018 not just now. |
|
|
|
Post by jmilton on Aug 15, 2014 8:10:17 GMT -5
Ouch! 
|
|
|
|
Post by thrillcat on Aug 15, 2014 9:34:02 GMT -5
Personally I think they nailed it. I'm sure others will disagree. I've never heard Atmos. I don't feel it would be worth driving the 3 hours to the nearest Atmos-equipped theater. Do Atmos tickets cost more at a theater, like 3D (which I also don't care about)? |
|
|
|
Post by mgbpuff on Aug 15, 2014 11:02:18 GMT -5
In spite of the nay sayers, technology marches on. The same attitudes were against stereo over mono, Dolby surround over stereo, Dolby digital over Dolby surround, 6.1 over 5.1, etc., etc., etc. This is a hobby, it's fun, you don't have to rationalize your present position to withdraw from the technophile 'arms race' - just stop buying and take up knitting or wood working.
|
|
|
|
Post by geebo on Aug 15, 2014 11:08:11 GMT -5
In spite of the nay sayers, technology marches on. The same attitudes were against stereo over mono, Dolby surround over stereo, Dolby digital over Dolby surround, 6.1 over 5.1, etc., etc., etc. This is a hobby, it's fun, you don't have to rationalize your present position to withdraw from the technophile 'arms race' - just stop buying and take up knitting or wood working. But a lot of money gets spent on failed technologies. Very often it's merely marketing con games to separate one from their money. |
|
|
|
Post by monkumonku on Aug 15, 2014 11:41:51 GMT -5
In spite of the nay sayers, technology marches on. The same attitudes were against stereo over mono, Dolby surround over stereo, Dolby digital over Dolby surround, 6.1 over 5.1, etc., etc., etc. This is a hobby, it's fun, you don't have to rationalize your present position to withdraw from the technophile 'arms race' - just stop buying and take up knitting or wood working. But a lot of money gets spent on failed technologies. Very often it's merely marketing con games to separate one from their money. I am thinking about buying a solar powered AVR. Or should I pay a little more and get a solar powered amp? |
|
KeithL
Administrator 
Posts: 10,273
|
Post by KeithL on Aug 15, 2014 12:05:08 GMT -5
Unfortunately, it often takes several years for the market to "decide" whether a technology has succeeded or not. It's easy to look back with "20/20 hindsight" and say that this or that technology "failed" - but sometimes that hindsight distorts our perspective. For example, many people today list the original four-channel formats (SQ and QS matrix, and CD-4 discrete) as "stuff that never caught on"... but the reality is somewhat more blurry. While there were never more than several hundred SQ four channel record titles produced, those included releases from several major groups of the time.... and the decoder hardware went through several complete generations, and was included in many receivers and amplifiers for several years. So, was it a silly idea that nobody bought, or was it a good try at home theater surround sound that was thirty years ahead of its time? And how about HDCD? That never "caught on"; yet new CD titles are still occasionally being produced today that use it. I can guarantee you that, five years from now, Dolby Atmos will have been replaced as "cutting edge technology" by something else.... because that's true of EVERY technology that comes out these days. You have to balance the idea of "waiting until you make sure something catches on" against the prospect of never getting to actually enjoy anything because you're waiting for whatever comes next. Even though "plain Dolby Digital" is now considered to be an archaic format, I'll bet you still have plenty of DVDs (or ripped DVD content) that uses it - and it still sounds as good as it ever did. Do you hold off buying a digital camera because you know that, next year, they'll have a better one, with twice as many pixels, for half the price? Not if you don't want to miss all those great pictures that you COULD HAVE taken between now and then - with the camera you DIDN'T buy. Likewise, I waited two years until LED light bulbs "matured" to buy a batch for my new house.... but it would be ridiculous to hold off for another five years "until the next new thing comes along" - because I'll save enough on them in two years to pay back the extra they cost me. Our philosophy about this here at Emotiva is that you should be able to buy the latest technology - at a reasonable price. That way you get to enjoy it now, and, since you aren't still paying off the mortgage on it in five years, you can buy the new latest and greatest technology when IT comes out. If you're waiting for things to stop moving, and for "them to finally get things right and stop coming out with new stuff", then you'll be waiting forever - and you'll never get to listen to anything in the mean time. As it turns out, analog power amps haven't changed much - and probably won't. (You can get digital amps that are smaller, and lighter, and may eventually sound as good, but beyond that there isn't much room for improvement.) Therefore, one thing you can do is to "buy up" and "buy separate". A seven-channel receiver isn't going to be much use if you decide you need 11 channels to do "a full Atmos setup" in two or three years.... but, if you're using a pair of really nice monoblocks for your main front speakers, and a five channel power amp for your surrounds, then they'll still be great... and you can just add another four or five channel amp to power the extra channels. Buy "as much pre/pro as you can afford now", and get one that, like the XMC-1, is about as upgradable as current technology permits, but realize that you'll probably end up having to replace it EVENTUALLY... so don't spend ten grand on a super-fancy receiver or pre/pro that claims it can be upgraded forever.... because anybody who says anything can be upgraded forever is yanking your chain... And, back to the original topic, give Atmos a few months for a selection of products to get out - and for the "bleeding edge sticker shock" to dissipate... then, see (and hear) what it does and, if you like it, then buy it....... And, if not, then wait for the next big thing to come out... Keith In spite of the nay sayers, technology marches on. The same attitudes were against stereo over mono, Dolby surround over stereo, Dolby digital over Dolby surround, 6.1 over 5.1, etc., etc., etc. This is a hobby, it's fun, you don't have to rationalize your present position to withdraw from the technophile 'arms race' - just stop buying and take up knitting or wood working. But a lot of money gets spent on failed technologies. Very often it's merely marketing con games to separate one from their money. |
|
|
|
Post by geebo on Aug 15, 2014 12:16:23 GMT -5
It's not necessarily a good idea to invest in new technology simply because it's new.
|
|
