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Post by solidstate on Nov 17, 2014 18:39:58 GMT -5
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Post by cwmcobra on Nov 17, 2014 18:41:34 GMT -5
I would seriously consider them (and still might in the future), but I'm trying to find affordable horns that will be a better timbre match for my Klipsch collection. Have you called and asked Emotiva that question? I'd be interested in their response. I am using 2 pairs of the UAC-8.2 for TF and TR in my new Atmos theater (using the Marantz AV7702). They are doing quite well. I don't think timbre matching is too important with audessey X 32! That's good to know. Everything I've read from Dolby, in particular, says to make best efforts to timbre match. I do understand that a good RC system will help to make that much less important, though. Thanks for sharing your experience. That's what the Lounge is all about. |
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Post by solidstate on Nov 17, 2014 18:41:47 GMT -5
Heard a seminar at CEDIA where both Brett Crockett from Dolby and Wilfried Van Baelen were on the panel along with Dr. Floyd Toole and Andrew Jones. That. along with hearing many Atmos demos and the Auro demo proved, at least to my ears, that Atmos is soother in the transitions from the "ear-ish level" to the "height/elevation level". The articles are good, but the proof is in the listening. I wonder how much of that was due to different speaker placements in the demo rooms but if the loudspeakers were the same and the placements the same then I believe your ears friend. Thanks for sharing your experience with both technologies. |
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Post by Gary Cook on Nov 17, 2014 18:52:54 GMT -5
The old conundrum, buy something now when there is something new on the horizon. The fact is there is always something new on the horizon. If we wait until next year there will be Auro, or maybe it's the year after and it will be DTS-HD. Then there will be Atmos Gen 2 in 3 or 4 years and Auro light, DTS-UHD, etc. In my experience there has never been 100% future proofing in audio, especially processors. Today's news is tomorrow's history.
Cheers
Gary
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Post by cwmcobra on Nov 17, 2014 20:51:11 GMT -5
The old conundrum, buy something now when there is something new on the horizon. The fact is there is always something new on the horizon. If we wait until next year there will be Auro, or maybe it's the year after and it will be DTS-HD. Then there will be Atmos Gen 2 in 3 or 4 years and Auro light, DTS-UHD, etc. In my experience there has never been 100% future proofing in audio, especially processors. Today's news is tomorrow's history. Cheers Gary Well said, Gary. If I wasn't starting a theater build, I'd be sitting on the sidelines for awhile. But now I'll be watching with interest so that when the theater is ready, I'll be ready to pull the trigger on the right SSP and speakers to support whatever new surround formats are alive at the time. Cheers! Chuck |
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Post by boomerps2 on Nov 8, 2015 1:20:59 GMT -5
So what is Emotiva's take on Atmos & DTS X? Are we going to hear an announcement on a processor including these latest codecs? I think I'm going to be forced to buy a receiver with the codecs for a processor. I just hate doing this.
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Post by klinemj on Nov 8, 2015 2:28:29 GMT -5
Last word was that the XMR (big brother to the XMC) would be a 16 channel unit having Atmos and all the latest. At soonest, we have heard that could be available in early '16...but that was no promise and I would not count on it.
Mark
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Post by mgbpuff on Nov 8, 2015 9:35:51 GMT -5
Well, here we are in Nov. 2015. I have been enjoying Atmos in my home theater for a year now. Emotiva is silent still on Atmos, in fact silent on everything while their product offerings are disappearing.
There is little to talk about on the forum these days so nonsense and rumour reign supreme. I keep reading and hoping for signs of the old Emotiva coming back but alas, the if the direction Emotiva is going is represented by their product offerings, then I can only surmise that Emotiva is failing.
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Post by Bonzo on Jun 4, 2018 20:37:41 GMT -5
Okay, since no one has done it yet, I'll move the conversation going on in the HDMI V3 thread here.
The way I see the current conversation, we basically have 2 camps. Please correct me if I'm wrong.
Camp A believes the disc labeling of 7.1.4 is a confusing untrue misnomer. There is no such limiting channel factor thing ON A DISC. The .4 only refers to how many SPEAKERS you have in your set up. If the disc is labeled Atmos at all, then it doesn't matter what it says after that. The processor you have, the amount of third digit height speakers you have, from 2 to 10 in even numbers, and the setting you have selected within the processor, make the difference. The disc does not direct the sound to specific speakers, the processor does. The only possible thing the disc itself limits is the number of objects actually moving over head.
Camp B believes a disc labeled as 7.1.4 limits the number of height channels (speakers) it will play through regardless of what processor you have, or how many speakers you have. This camp believes if you have 10 height speakers and a processor that will handle it, a disc labeled 7.1.4 will limit what you really get down to only 4 of your 10 speakers.
So does this sum it up? Yes? No?
People like me and KeithL are in Camp A, while Gary Cook and others are in Camp B. (Forgive, I am typing from my phone so tagging people correctly isn't viable right now). Yes? No?
Let's discuss.
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Post by rbk123 on Jun 4, 2018 21:36:29 GMT -5
Egads, just go up and start reading posts prior to Bonzo's and look at the dates as well as their content. What a trip!
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Post by Gary Cook on Jun 5, 2018 0:11:16 GMT -5
Okay, since no one has done it yet, I'll move the conversation going on in the HDMI V3 thread here. The way I see the current conversation, we basically have 2 camps. Please correct me if I'm wrong. Camp A believes the disc labeling of 7.1.4 is a confusing untrue misnomer. There is no such limiting channel factor thing ON A DISC. The .4 only refers to how many SPEAKERS you have in your set up. If the disc is labeled Atmos at all, then it doesn't matter what it says after that. The processor you have, the amount of third digit height speakers you have, from 2 to 10 in even numbers, and the setting you have selected within the processor, make the difference. The disc does not direct the sound to specific speakers, the processor does. The only possible thing the disc itself limits is the number of objects actually moving over head. Camp B believes a disc labeled as 7.1.4 limits the number of height channels (speakers) it will play through regardless of what processor you have, or how many speakers you have. This camp believes if you have 10 height speakers and a processor that will handle it, a disc labeled 7.1.4 will limit what you really get down to only 4 of your 10 speakers. So does this sum it up? Yes? No? People like me and KeithL are in Camp A, while Gary Cook and others are in Camp B. (Forgive, I am typing from my phone so tagging people correctly isn't viable right now). Yes? No? Let's discuss. The *OFFICIAL* Denon AVR-X8500H 13.2ch Flagship AVR Thread over on AVS is quite interesting (try page 41/42/43); www.avsforum.com/forum/90-receivers-amps-processors/2952552-official-denon-avr-x8500h-13-2ch-flagship-avr-thread-42.htmlI find that FilmMixer's posts align with what I have been able to gather from the brief conversations locally with my sound mixer/engineer acquaintance. This one is most revealing when speaking about 7.1.4 labelling Which was a follow up to this post of his; From another poster finding exactly the same using an 8500 as we did with our tests using the Storm; Another 8500 owner on the The Last Jedi; Cheers Gary |
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Post by enricoclaudio on Jun 5, 2018 18:19:49 GMT -5
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Post by Gary Cook on Jun 5, 2018 20:27:38 GMT -5
I have always preferred DTS-X over Atmos due to the ability to adjust the dialogue, this just ads further to that preference. Cheers Gary |
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Post by musicfan on Jun 6, 2018 6:34:44 GMT -5
It has been confirmed at CEDIA that the studio mixes of Atmos will be 7.1.4. So for those of you that have 7.1 set ups, all you'll need are 4 more speakers from the ceiling and you're good! |
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Post by Bonzo on Jun 6, 2018 10:31:06 GMT -5
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Post by Bonzo on Jun 6, 2018 10:31:53 GMT -5
Okay, since no one has done it yet, I'll move the conversation going on in the HDMI V3 thread here. The way I see the current conversation, we basically have 2 camps. Please correct me if I'm wrong. Camp A believes the disc labeling of 7.1.4 is a confusing untrue misnomer. There is no such limiting channel factor thing ON A DISC. The .4 only refers to how many SPEAKERS you have in your set up. If the disc is labeled Atmos at all, then it doesn't matter what it says after that. The processor you have, the amount of third digit height speakers you have, from 2 to 10 in even numbers, and the setting you have selected within the processor, make the difference. The disc does not direct the sound to specific speakers, the processor does. The only possible thing the disc itself limits is the number of objects actually moving over head. Camp B believes a disc labeled as 7.1.4 limits the number of height channels (speakers) it will play through regardless of what processor you have, or how many speakers you have. This camp believes if you have 10 height speakers and a processor that will handle it, a disc labeled 7.1.4 will limit what you really get down to only 4 of your 10 speakers. So does this sum it up? Yes? No? People like me and KeithL are in Camp A, while Gary Cook and others are in Camp B. (Forgive, I am typing from my phone so tagging people correctly isn't viable right now). Yes? No? Let's discuss. , opinion? And please see Gary's reply above. |
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Post by musicfan on Jun 6, 2018 11:58:46 GMT -5
Okay, since no one has done it yet, I'll move the conversation going on in the HDMI V3 thread here. The way I see the current conversation, we basically have 2 camps. Please correct me if I'm wrong. Camp A believes the disc labeling of 7.1.4 is a confusing untrue misnomer. There is no such limiting channel factor thing ON A DISC. The .4 only refers to how many SPEAKERS you have in your set up. If the disc is labeled Atmos at all, then it doesn't matter what it says after that. The processor you have, the amount of third digit height speakers you have, from 2 to 10 in even numbers, and the setting you have selected within the processor, make the difference. The disc does not direct the sound to specific speakers, the processor does. The only possible thing the disc itself limits is the number of objects actually moving over head. Camp B believes a disc labeled as 7.1.4 limits the number of height channels (speakers) it will play through regardless of what processor you have, or how many speakers you have. This camp believes if you have 10 height speakers and a processor that will handle it, a disc labeled 7.1.4 will limit what you really get down to only 4 of your 10 speakers. So does this sum it up? Yes? No? People like me and KeithL are in Camp A, while Gary Cook and others are in Camp B. (Forgive, I am typing from my phone so tagging people correctly isn't viable right now). Yes? No? Let's discuss. , opinion? And please see Gary's reply above. IM in CAmp A (please note it doesnt matter to me either way honestly since I have 7.4.4 and will NEVER go more unless I move into another house and have a huge theater) however after seeing the post i quoted earlier that at CEDIA it was "confirmed" that home atmos was only going to be truncated at 7.1.4 I am now not so sure... I just think its a labeling issue...and it is almost (entirely?) exclusively to DISNEY discs |
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Post by mgbpuff on Jun 6, 2018 12:57:30 GMT -5
Don't forget that Disney owns Marvel and Lucasfilms. It has been confirmed by individuals who have speaker capability in excess of 11 and who own systems such a Trinnovs that the newest discs from Disney and Marvel contain NO sounds in speaker locations other than the 7.1.4. So count me in Camp B.
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Post by socketman on Jun 6, 2018 13:03:26 GMT -5
i truly believe this has been caused by streamers (people who dont buy physical media) and its forcing a limit on the decoding becasue of bandwidth concerns which is not help by the fact net neutrality went bye bye. I mistakenly assumed that if dolby gave they the ability they would use it to its fullest when in fact they use it as sparingly as they can. I didnt want gary to be correct but everything i am reading at AVS confirms the worst, and there a few over there like film mixer who i feel is authentic.
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Post by musicfan on Jun 6, 2018 13:03:35 GMT -5
Don't forget that Disney owns Marvel and Lucasfilms. It has been confirmed by individuals who have speaker capability in excess of 11 and who own systems such a Trinnovs that the newest discs from Disney and Marvel contain NO sounds in speaker locations other than the 7.1.4. So count me in Camp B. correct...I was coutning these in "disney" films |
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