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Post by hifiaudio2 on Jul 12, 2014 11:29:43 GMT -5
Whether or not all outputs are fully balanced seems to be a bigger secret than DIRAC not shipping. Its been asked many times. Is there a reason this cannot be answered? Lonnie? Dan? Andrew? Keith?
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Post by bluescale on Jul 12, 2014 11:36:37 GMT -5
Dan So much drama could have been avoided if this Dirac information was out there front and center earlier this week. We're starving for any new info on the XMC-1. Test reports were good to see but how about getting some more info out pronto? Thanks I don't agree. There would have been just as much drama if Dan had told us this last week. I wish we'd been told, but I don't have any delusions about the reaction of the fanbase. At this point, most of us (me included) are incapable of putting aside our emotional reaction when it comes to this thing. |
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Post by DYohn on Jul 12, 2014 12:02:04 GMT -5
Question for Dan: if Dirac isn't quite working yet, does the XMC-1 include Emo-Q to facilitate easy setup in the meantime?
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Post by repeetavx on Jul 12, 2014 12:15:15 GMT -5
Whether or not all outputs are fully balanced seems to be a bigger secret than DIRAC not shipping. Its been asked many times. Is there a reason this cannot be answered? Lonnie? Dan? Andrew? Keith? A look at the back of the XMC-1, and a review of the " Specification Test" answers the question. There is only one stereo pair that is balanced from input to output. All of the other analog inputs are single ended. There is only on stereo pair DAC output that is balanced throughout the signal path. All of the other DAC outputs are single ended. If I remember the discussion correctly. Big Dan said that it will be the RMC-1 that will be balanced throughout all of the channels. |
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Post by hifiaudio2 on Jul 12, 2014 12:19:34 GMT -5
Whether or not all outputs are fully balanced seems to be a bigger secret than DIRAC not shipping. Its been asked many times. Is there a reason this cannot be answered? Lonnie? Dan? Andrew? Keith? A look at the back of the XMC-1, and a review of the " Specification Test" answers the question. There is only one stereo pair that is balanced from input to output. All of the other analog inputs are single ended. There is only on stereo pair DAC output that is balanced throughout the signal path. All of the other DAC outputs are single ended. If I remember the discussion correctly. Big Dan said that it will be the RMC-1 that will be balanced throughout all of the channels. okay thanks, that answers that then. I do recall Dan saying that, but there are multiple places on the forum where it has been quoted that Lonnie revised that to say all channels are balanced. People have been asking multiple times for clarification. |
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Post by repeetavx on Jul 12, 2014 12:34:35 GMT -5
I do recall Dan saying that, but there are multiple places on the forum where it has been quoted that Lonnie revised that to say all channels are balanced. People have been asking multiple times for clarification. I saw that quote from Lonnie too. Since the back of the XMC-1 has only one set of balanced inputs. And the Test Report talks about only one set of balanced outputs. I figured what Lonnie meant to say was that all of the amplifier outputs would be converted to and available as balanced outputs, which they are. |
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Post by glennr01 on Jul 12, 2014 12:58:29 GMT -5
Glenn... How many configurable inputs are on the XMC-1?
HDMI 1
HDMI 2
HDMI 3
HDMI 4
HDMI 5
HDMI 6
HDMI 7
HDMI 8
Coax 1
Coax 2
Coax 3
AES/EBU
Optical 1
Optical 2
Optical 3
HDMI ARC
USB Stream
Tuner
Analog 1
Analog 2
Analog 3
Record In
Balanced In
Analog 7.1 In
Front Panel In
You do the math...
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Post by hifiaudio2 on Jul 12, 2014 13:09:16 GMT -5
I was told there would be no math.
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Post by LCSeminole on Jul 12, 2014 13:10:29 GMT -5
Glenn... How many configurable inputs are on the XMC-1?HDMI 1 HDMI 2 HDMI 3 HDMI 4 HDMI 5 HDMI 6 HDMI 7 HDMI 8 Coax 1 Coax 2 Coax 3 AES/EBU Optical 1 Optical 2 Optical 3 HDMI ARC USB Stream Tuner Analog 1 Analog 2 Analog 3 Record In Balanced In Analog 7.1 In Front Panel In You do the math... Lots of permutation and combinations!  |
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Post by glennr01 on Jul 12, 2014 13:20:41 GMT -5
Obviously, some of those inputs are dedicated and wouldn't want to be re-assigned or reconfigured. I don't know how one would go about running out of inputs... or better yet, owning enough gear to run out of inputs.
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Post by AudioHTIT on Jul 12, 2014 13:45:17 GMT -5
Glenn... How many configurable inputs are on the XMC-1?HDMI 1 HDMI 2 HDMI 3 HDMI 4 HDMI 5 HDMI 6 HDMI 7 HDMI 8 Coax 1 Coax 2 Coax 3 AES/EBU Optical 1 Optical 2 Optical 3 HDMI ARC USB Stream Tuner Analog 1 Analog 2 Analog 3 Record In Balanced In Analog 7.1 In Front Panel In You do the math... Sorry to belabor this but I know I'm not the only one interested in this answer. Since you had a UMC-200 you should have used the setup to take the above options and assigned them to one of six 'virtual' Audio/Video combinations that in the setup are just called sources (at least they are on the UMC-1). You might name one of these sources 'CableTV' and assign HDMI 1 to video and TOSLink 1 to audio, you then select CableTV when you want that combination. On the UMC-1 you have 16 virtual sources (we tend to call them configurable inputs), how many does the XMC-1 have? Here are a couple setup pics from my UMC-1.   |
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Post by glennr01 on Jul 12, 2014 13:58:49 GMT -5
I understand what you are asking - my best answer is I am using the XMC-1 pretty much out of the box. I have not yet created 'custom inputs' using the type of routing configurations you suggest. So, happy to answer as I learn. Quite frankly, I used the UMC-200 much in the same way.
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Post by bootman on Jul 12, 2014 14:01:27 GMT -5
I understand what you are asking - my best answer is I am using the XMC-1 pretty much out of the box. I have not yet created 'custom inputs' using the type of routing configurations you suggest. So, happy to answer as I learn. Quite frankly, I used the UMC-200 much in the same way. How fast is the HDMI switching? I see some other components in your thread. Can you list everything hooked up to the XMC and how? I can then ask more specific questions with regards to usability. Thanks |
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Post by audioguy123 on Jul 12, 2014 14:13:06 GMT -5
And there's room to grow here. In looking under the hood, I can see how options for implementation of yet unreleased technology would be easily accomplished. I will be interested in how they plan to grow this product to support new technology like Atmos. Atmos requires more than 7 channels and based upon the photo I saw, there is no more real estate on the back of the unit to allow the addition of more outputs. Maybe they have some way to add-on another box which would contain the addition space to add all of the channels necessary to support these new options. We shall see. I di like that if we don't want to take the product until Dirac is available, we don't lose our place in line. Nice move!! |
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Post by bootman on Jul 12, 2014 14:15:53 GMT -5
And there's room to grow here. In looking under the hood, I can see how options for implementation of yet unreleased technology would be easily accomplished. I will be interested in how they plan to grow this product to support new technology like Atmos. Atmos requires more than 7 channels and based upon the photo I saw, there is no more real estate on the back of the unit to allow the addition of more outputs. Maybe they have some way to add-on another box which would contain the addition space to add all of the channels necessary to support these new options. We shall see. I did like that if we don't want to take the product until Dirac is available, we don't lose our place in line. Nice move!! I see enough outs to do a 5.1.2 Atmos setup which is a perfectly valid config. |
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Post by wizardofoz on Jul 12, 2014 14:19:41 GMT -5
Also a bug in the umc-1 was that selecting the audio to say 7.1 and then going to video (the next selection down the list) and selecting hdmi overrode the audio to hdmi for audio, so you had to go back and reset the audio last....this bug was never fixed, and I suspect never will be, but I hope its not the same in the xmc-1.
As for Dirac, great that its coming but as long as the is some manual setup for those that wanting it I guess its fine imho for me....I never used emo and probably never will but I still love the umc...and I doubt I will have any issues loving the xmc now or in the future.
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Post by neo20013 on Jul 12, 2014 15:07:35 GMT -5
... I used the UMC-200 much in the same way. , i think that electronics are less important than the interaction between the speakers and the room. In your first impressions, quality wise, what could you say of the differences between the XPA-5 + UMC-200 vs XPA-5 + XMC-1? |
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Post by kellys on Jul 13, 2014 0:26:26 GMT -5
So much drama could have been avoided if this Dirac information was out there front and center earlier this week. I am sure there would be drama no matter what. Such is the nature of the forum. I am happy to see the XMC-1 released. Congrats Dan. I hope it is a success and continues the Emotiva legacy of great products. Cheers |
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Post by glennr01 on Jul 13, 2014 0:31:46 GMT -5
glennr01, i think that electronics are less important than the interaction between the speakers and the room.
I don't know that I would quantify the importance of one set of criteria over another. Neither exists in a vacuum and if the electronics are inferior, no amount of room correction or speaker interaction would rectify that. Also, consider that I focused on the performance of the XMC-1 rather then the room and speakers because, obviously, I'm used to that listening space. The only variable would be the XMC-1.
In your first impressions, quality wise, what could you say of the differences between the XPA-5 + UMC-200 vs XPA-5 + XMC-1?
While I was unable to do a side-by-side listening comparison (which would make my opinion admittedly far more subjective and far less scientific), I felt more openness to the sound stage overall - for lack of a better description, a more enhanced, more natural sound. As I mentioned earlier, the top end was smoother, more pleasing to my ears. The level of detail (which I think is mainly transient response characteristics) was surprising in a good way. Low end didn't sound puffy or ill-defined. And again, this was straight out of the box, no eq changes, no room correction (hate to bring that up).
Assuming you'll be purchasing one, I'd be interested if you noticed the same sonic qualities that I did.
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Post by glennr01 on Jul 13, 2014 0:38:26 GMT -5
I was told there would be no math. Oh, there's math.  |
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