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Post by Andrew Robinson on Jul 13, 2014 20:03:11 GMT -5
Glen, have you had a chance to mess with the PEQ? How many bands of adjustment are there per channel? How many for the subwoofer channel? Any info is greatly appreciated thanks 11 bands per channel including the subwoofer(s). If you need more than 11 chances are your sub is in the wrong place, but there are 11 bands for the subs. |
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Post by jking on Jul 13, 2014 20:04:52 GMT -5
I can't wait for mine as my Old refurb. Onkyo 885 is on it's last legs. I have had better faster and better answers from this company then I did from Studer which was located in Nashville at the time I was running a studio in Cleveland TN. I had 2 power supply's go out in 24 hrs, drove 300 miles RT to pick up the first power supply, had it installed by 2AM and was back in the studio to finish one track before flying out for our weekend concerts. That power supply only lasted 10 minutes. It was bad enough that they wanted 400$ for the first one I picked up ( it was under warranty) Their tech was nasty from the start because he had to drive back to work at 9pm to give me the new one. I ended up having to call the head office which not only refunded the money but had the tech out to the studio on Saturday to fix the problem. That is what you are paying for when you pay close to 50.000$ for a Studer Tape machine. With EMO I bought a 7 by 350 amp that had a channel bad right out of the box and they had a new one to me 2 days later after bench testing this one first. That is great service on a 3000$ Amp. So I can wait for the fancy EQ which I never had for 40 years until the Onkyo. It is only time.
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Post by dust770 on Jul 13, 2014 20:21:20 GMT -5
Glen, have you had a chance to mess with the PEQ? How many bands of adjustment are there per channel? How many for the subwoofer channel? Any info is greatly appreciated thanks 11 bands per channel including the subwoofer(s). If you need more than 11 chances are your sub is in the wrong place, but there are 11 bands for the subs. Thanks much Andrew! |
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Post by glennr01 on Jul 13, 2014 21:04:35 GMT -5
Glen, have you had a chance to mess with the PEQ? How many bands of adjustment are there per channel? How many for the subwoofer channel? Any info is greatly appreciated thanks 11 bands per channel including the subwoofer(s). If you need more than 11 chances are your sub is in the wrong place, but there are 11 bands for the subs. What he said  |
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Post by bolle on Jul 14, 2014 13:08:36 GMT -5
Nice, thanks Andrew!
Since the XMC-1 is 7.2 I guess you get 11 separate bands for each subwoofer preout? Or do you only get one EQ for both sub preouts and no independent EQs?
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Post by Andrew Robinson on Jul 14, 2014 13:24:50 GMT -5
Nice, thanks Andrew! Since the XMC-1 is 7.2 I guess you get 11 separate bands for each subwoofer preout? Or do you only get one EQ for both sub preouts and no independent EQs? If you set the XMC-1 to 'Stereo' with respect to its subwoofer output, each subwoofer (right and left) will have their own bank of PEQ filters -11 each. |
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Post by hifiaudio2 on Jul 14, 2014 13:27:33 GMT -5
Speaking of modes to set the XMC-1 in, have the names of the modes been cleared up from the UMC? I.e. the confusing "all stereo" mode, etc?
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Post by Andrew Robinson on Jul 14, 2014 13:34:07 GMT -5
Speaking of modes to set the XMC-1 in, have the names of the modes been cleared up from the UMC? I.e. the confusing "all stereo" mode, etc? I'm afraid 'All Stereo' is a mode found within the XMC-1, along with a few others. |
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Post by hifiaudio2 on Jul 14, 2014 13:36:37 GMT -5
Ugh... well maybe that can be "fixed" in a firmware update? Can you explain what that mode is intended for, as well as the thinking behind the name?
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Post by deltadube on Jul 14, 2014 13:39:46 GMT -5
Nice, thanks Andrew! Since the XMC-1 is 7.2 I guess you get 11 separate bands for each subwoofer preout? Or do you only get one EQ for both sub preouts and no independent EQs? If you set the XMC-1 to 'Stereo' with respect to its subwoofer output, each subwoofer (right and left) will have their own bank of PEQ filters -11 each. Hi Andrew dose the xmc 1 have summed sub woofer out for mono subs? is there a big db drop to the l and r sub outs like on the xsp 1? was wonder if you could do a video series on how to setup and use your xmc 1? that be really great.. like how to do good peqs etc.. cheers |
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Post by Andrew Robinson on Jul 14, 2014 13:44:01 GMT -5
Ugh... well maybe that can be "fixed" in a firmware update? Can you explain what that mode is intended for, as well as the thinking behind the name? I believe Keith does in the manual. Honestly, modes are there because variety is the spice of life. I wouldn't look down too much on any product simply because it has a mode you don't necessarily fancy. My Yamaha receivers had more DSP modes than you could shake a stick at, and most of them just added reverb (as far as I could tell) but I don't hold it against Yamaha, nor do I believe they need to be removed. The modes exist because someone, somewhere asked for or wanted them. If all stereo isn't for you, just ignore it. |
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Post by Andrew Robinson on Jul 14, 2014 13:48:07 GMT -5
If you set the XMC-1 to 'Stereo' with respect to its subwoofer output, each subwoofer (right and left) will have their own bank of PEQ filters -11 each. Hi Andrew dose the xmc 1 have summed sub woofer out for mono subs? is there a big db drop to the l and r sub outs like on the xsp 1? was wonder if you could do a video series on how to setup and use your xmc 1? that be really great.. like how to do good peqs etc.. cheers I guess I'm not fully understanding your question. If you have but one subwoofer, you'll want to set the XMC-1's subwoofer setting to 'Mono' then connect your single sub to its left subwoofer output (though I hear engineering has since made it that both the right and left outputs are active in mono mode). I do not believe there is any SPL drop between the two sub outputs, though I'll have to check on that and get back to you. |
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Post by hifiaudio2 on Jul 14, 2014 13:49:15 GMT -5
Ugh... well maybe that can be "fixed" in a firmware update? Can you explain what that mode is intended for, as well as the thinking behind the name? I believe Keith does in the manual. Honestly, modes are there because variety is the spice of life. I wouldn't look down too much on any product simply because it has a mode you don't necessarily fancy. My Yamaha receivers had more DSP modes than you could shake a stick at, and most of them just added reverb (as far as I could tell) but I don't hold it against Yamaha, nor do I believe they need to be removed. The modes exist because someone, somewhere asked for or wanted them. If all stereo isn't for you, just ignore it. No no that isn't what I meant. I "think" modes like all stereo does something like route a multichannel PCM source to the correct speakers without adding anything. But I am not sure that is the case. I thought I read that somewhere. But that is my point, it MIGHT be something I want to use but I just dont know by that name. It seems I read that "Direct" mode does something similar for stereo sources while "all stereo" does it for multichannel sources. So maybe "multichannel direct" would be more appropriate if that is what it does. Its likely I am completely wrong though.  So no I don't mind the DSP modes at all. Just need them to be clear in what they do. I bought a UMC200 but cannot find in the manual where these are explained. I may have missed it though I suppose. |
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Post by Andrew Robinson on Jul 14, 2014 13:50:50 GMT -5
I believe Keith does in the manual. Honestly, modes are there because variety is the spice of life. I wouldn't look down too much on any product simply because it has a mode you don't necessarily fancy. My Yamaha receivers had more DSP modes than you could shake a stick at, and most of them just added reverb (as far as I could tell) but I don't hold it against Yamaha, nor do I believe they need to be removed. The modes exist because someone, somewhere asked for or wanted them. If all stereo isn't for you, just ignore it. No no that isn't what I meant. I "think" modes like all stereo does something like route a multichannel PCM source to the correct speakers without adding anything. But I am not sure that is the case. I thought I read that somewhere. But that is my point, it MIGHT be something I want to use but I just dont know by that name. It seems I read that "Direct" mode does something similar for stereo sources while "all stereo" does it for multichannel sources. So maybe "multichannel direct" would be more appropriate if that is what it does. Its likely I am completely wrong though. So no I don't mind the DSP modes at all. Just need them to be clear in what they do. I bought a UMC200 but cannot find in the manual where these are explained. I may have missed it though I suppose. Gotcha, my apologies. I thought you were bagging on 'All Stereo' as it being useless etc. I see what you're getting at now. Keith explains them in the manual in pretty solid detail, so when that goes live I believe you'll have your answer. Sorry for the confusion. |
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Post by deltadube on Jul 14, 2014 13:53:50 GMT -5
Hi Andrew dose the xmc 1 have summed sub woofer out for mono subs? is there a big db drop to the l and r sub outs like on the xsp 1? was wonder if you could do a video series on how to setup and use your xmc 1? that be really great.. like how to do good peqs etc.. cheers I guess I'm not fully understanding your question. If you have but one subwoofer, you'll want to set the XMC-1's subwoofer setting to 'Mono' then connect your single sub to its left subwoofer output (though I hear engineering has since made it that both the right and left outputs are active in mono mode). I do not believe there is any SPL drop between the two sub outputs, though I'll have to check on that and get back to you. Hi Andrew.. I have 2 sub woofers on my xsp 1.. they sound better to me on the mono summed sub out with a y splitter.. there is a -3db drop in stereo l and r outputs.. .. more interested in a video series how to set up your room with the xmc 1 with the dirac room correction and peqs.. I don't know a lot about peqs... lessons would be great ... so I can set one up like a pro!!! thanks |
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Post by Andrew Robinson on Jul 14, 2014 14:03:48 GMT -5
I guess I'm not fully understanding your question. If you have but one subwoofer, you'll want to set the XMC-1's subwoofer setting to 'Mono' then connect your single sub to its left subwoofer output (though I hear engineering has since made it that both the right and left outputs are active in mono mode). I do not believe there is any SPL drop between the two sub outputs, though I'll have to check on that and get back to you. Hi Andrew.. I have 2 sub woofers on my xsp 1.. they sound better to me on the mono summed sub out with a y splitter.. there is a -3db drop in stereo l and r outputs.. .. more interested in a video series how to set up your room with the xmc 1 with the dirac room correction and peqs.. I don't know a lot about peqs... lessons would be great ... so I can set one up like a pro!!! thanks Sounds to me like your subwoofers are out of phase, which is what is causing the drop in dB -in essence your subs are working against each other opposed to working with one another. There is a difference in gain between unbalanced and balanced, but not between right and left subwoofer outputs. My guess is your subwoofers are out of phase with each other. |
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Post by KeithL on Jul 14, 2014 14:43:29 GMT -5
"All Stereo mode" can be confusing.... it isn't really a standard mode, so everyone takes it to mean something slightly different (even our other units don't all do it the same). Here's what it does in the XMC-1... -snip------------ All Stereo Mode All Stereo Mode provides a full complement of processing and control options - with a stereo output. In addition, the left signal is routed to all left side speakers and the right signal is routed to all right side speakers for a “room filling” experience. In All Stereo Mode: The output is always TWO CHANNEL STEREO - routed to all speakers. The left channel is routed to all left side speakers; the right channel to all right side speakers. Bass management IS available and the subwoofer IS active. Loudness Control, the Tone Controls, and the Tone Trims are active. Dirac Live and the manual parametric EQ Presets are active. Level Trims are active. Speaker Distance adjustments are available for both analog and digital inputs. Stereo analog signals are converted to digital audio and routed through the processor. Stereo digital input signals are routed through the processor. Surround sound digital signals are decoded, mixed down to stereo, and converted to analog (the Center Channel and LFE signals, if present, are mixed into the stereo output). After all processing is completed, the left signal is routed to ALL left side speakers and the right signal is routed to ALL right side speakers. If an LFE signal is present, and one or two subwoofers are also present, the LFE content will be routed to the subs along with low-frequency content from the main channels (as determined by the bass management settings). -snip---------------------- Note that Multi-PCM is treated like any other multi-channel digital audio.... it is mixed to stereo, converted, then routed to all left / all right speakers... No no that isn't what I meant. I "think" modes like all stereo does something like route a multichannel PCM source to the correct speakers without adding anything. But I am not sure that is the case. I thought I read that somewhere. But that is my point, it MIGHT be something I want to use but I just dont know by that name. It seems I read that "Direct" mode does something similar for stereo sources while "all stereo" does it for multichannel sources. So maybe "multichannel direct" would be more appropriate if that is what it does. Its likely I am completely wrong though. So no I don't mind the DSP modes at all. Just need them to be clear in what they do. I bought a UMC200 but cannot find in the manual where these are explained. I may have missed it though I suppose. Gotcha, my apologies. I thought you were bagging on 'All Stereo' as it being useless etc. I see what you're getting at now. Keith explains them in the manual in pretty solid detail, so when that goes live I believe you'll have your answer. Sorry for the confusion. |
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Post by ÈlTwo on Jul 14, 2014 14:52:37 GMT -5
Ahh, so All Stereo on the XMC-1 is not the same as All Stereo on the UMC-1.
That's fine by me, and probably for all the people who wanted it to be what it is now on the XMC-1.
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Post by hifiaudio2 on Jul 14, 2014 14:53:05 GMT -5
Perfect, thanks Keith! Does the upcoming manual have that level of detailed explanation for each mode? If so that's a winner!
Since you and Andrew are in this thread, I will ask here as well if that manual is still coming today? Andrew mentioned on Friday that you guys planned on this being the day. Thanks!
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Post by 2muchht on Jul 14, 2014 15:06:49 GMT -5
...I believe Keith does in the manual... Exactly! The ability to save your time in answering these sorts of questions by making the manual available as a pre-sales support tool is EXACTLY the reason why many of us have been asking for the manual to be posted. If not the "final" version, even omitting Dirac but addressing all other operational features and specs, at least the version with the unit as it ships. Wait! It Is, or will momentarily be shipping. That's the best news, followed by the promise that the OM will be posted this week. I know it's only the first day of the week, but when it is posted within the week,perhaps a "single message thread" that gets immediately locked could be posted so that we know the promise was kept and we know where to find the manual without searching through the other XMC-1 threads for something that might be buried on "Page 22". Thanks and looking forward to this so I can have more information about the XMC-1 to fold into the various pros and cons it has for my particular system and room setup. |
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So no I don't mind the DSP modes at all. Just need them to be clear in what they do. I bought a UMC200 but cannot find in the manual where these are explained. I may have missed it though I suppose.
