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Post by ÈlTwo on Jul 27, 2014 23:04:26 GMT -5
I'm sure they'll triple dip with a higher chan count higher sample rate version. I'm sure the industry won't stop at triple dipping. |
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Post by solidstate on Jul 27, 2014 23:12:10 GMT -5
You are incorrect... over 99.9% of films work at 24/48.. and none have been delivered to the theaters at 96k. When you get a TrueHD or DTS-HD MA track on BR, it is a bit for bit copy of the original master. Weren't both Samsara and Baraka 24/96 in the theater? I don't know how to verify this - everything I'm finding online is about the blu ray releases. YUP Baraka is a MUST HAVE BLURAY and a great demo disc for showing off a system's performance. The Mitchell AP-65 HD transfers are just freakin AWESOME! |
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Post by solidstate on Jul 27, 2014 23:21:59 GMT -5
I'm sure they'll triple dip with a higher chan count higher sample rate version. I'm sure the industry won't stop at triple dipping. YUP Now with 4k Bluray distro and things like Atmos they can SKU releases into perhaps 4 versions. I do though applaud the quad format UltraViolet trip. I'll bet they'll do the 4k higher sample rate quad dip via UltraViolet DRM where as you'll own the quad format (3d,BD,DVD & UV) release but when 4k proliferates they'll offer online DRM access sorta like Amazon now but it will cost an additional ten bucks or something to that effect. That's what I predict in five years time. |
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Post by bluescale on Jul 27, 2014 23:27:13 GMT -5
PS BTW the two big HBO shows are Atmos mixes! Which two? I'm assuming GoT is one, since it's about the biggest thing in the universe right now. What's the other? Do you have a source? My Google-fu seems to be pretty weak today, for some reason... |
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Post by solidstate on Jul 27, 2014 23:42:50 GMT -5
PS BTW the two big HBO shows are Atmos mixes! Which two? I'm assuming GoT is one, since it's about the biggest thing in the universe right now. What's the other? Do you have a source? My Google-fu seems to be pretty weak today, for some reason... LOL Orange is the New Black. |
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Post by bluescale on Jul 27, 2014 23:54:45 GMT -5
Which two? I'm assuming GoT is one, since it's about the biggest thing in the universe right now. What's the other? Do you have a source? My Google-fu seems to be pretty weak today, for some reason... LOL Orange is the New Black. That's not HBO - it's a Netflix original. Is it going to stream with Atmos, or will it be the blu ray release. How did you find this out? |
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Post by solidstate on Jul 28, 2014 0:09:18 GMT -5
LOL Orange is the New Black. That's not HBO - it's a Netflix original. Is it going to stream with Atmos, or will it be the blu ray release. How did you find this out? DOH! You're right. I don't think they have been released in the format IE no releases have the Atmos mix but I believe the production audio workflow is Atmos capable going forward. This is just what I heard though so I could be wrong. Here is an interesting video on the death of projectionists and projectors. |
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Post by solidstate on Jul 28, 2014 0:30:37 GMT -5
Dirac demo was impressive to say the least. My experience was that distortion or harshness was suddenly not present. Also the other bit of information I was astounded by was that for an additional $100 you will be able to customize your listening curve to suit your preferences!! I suddenly imagined how many hours I will waste once I get an xmc-1 tweaking the listening curve bit by bit. In addition I very much want to mention how amazing the event was. Emotiva has taken care of me above and beyond more then once! It was really great to meet many of the people behind the products that I so enjoy! Really wonderful, and positive people! Such a pleasure! Personal highlight is still wining myself a pair of airmotive 4s speakers. I oddly enough had my heart set on a pair of stealth 8's, but oddly enough my girlfriend insisted that I give them to her so she could buy a DC-1 to pair them with! WAF means what again! I have made a convert! If anyone missed the event you truly missed big! Thank you again Emotiva! That's awesome and I sure wish they'd make it to the Pacific Northwest! |
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Post by solidstate on Jul 28, 2014 1:18:11 GMT -5
You are incorrect... over 99.9% of films work at 24/48.. and none have been delivered to the theaters at 96k. When you get a TrueHD or DTS-HD MA track on BR, it is a bit for bit copy of the original master. I thought most DCP sound MXF files were 24/96. I do know though ALL are 24bit and not 16bit yet many Blurays are 16bit so they are not bit for bit copies. |
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Post by Erwin.BE on Jul 28, 2014 7:30:01 GMT -5
Dan mentioned they have almost 3 million dollars invested in the development of the xmc-1. He said they (EMOTIVA) will never recoup this investment in the xmc1. That thry actually loose money on every xmc but will make up for it on future products using the same platform. To me that means a few more processors coming soon  3 million must definitively be a lot more than anticipated  . I hope they sell a lot, including the spinoffs such as the UMC-500 and RMC-1. Emotiva needs to be speedy with this as they know very well how fast the processor world keeps evolving. Atmos will be a game changer. Hence 16 channels (for 9.3.4 Atmos) will be better than the 12 (for 7.1.4 Atmos?) that the RMC will perhaps be limited to. |
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Post by jmilton on Jul 28, 2014 8:21:45 GMT -5
You are incorrect... over 99.9% of films work at 24/48.. and none have been delivered to the theaters at 96k. When you get a TrueHD or DTS-HD MA track on BR, it is a bit for bit copy of the original master. Weren't both Samsara and Baraka 24/96 in the theater? I don't know how to verify this - everything I'm finding online is about the blu ray releases. The theater I worked at had Dolby Digital CP-750 processors that could go as high as 24/96, but the standard fare was 24/48. |
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Post by FilmMixer on Jul 30, 2014 12:08:30 GMT -5
When you get a TrueHD or DTS-HD MA track on BR, it is a bit for bit copy of the original master. You figure? So then you are saying the theatrical distro via Datasat, DD, SDDS and even Atmos (yes it was mastered with Atmos mixing) for Gravity (2013) and the original mastering was done at 5.1 16bit 48 kHz because that's what it is on the Bluray DTS-HD track for the Bluray release. I'm sure they'll triple dip with a higher chan count higher sample rate version. That's total bullshit for digitally projected venues. Perhaps if in a film theater with the APT-X100 system IE using bloody CDs. Dolby had some kinda upmixing trip but most production workflows for big budget films are 96 kHz and certainly not the crappy 4:1 APT-X100 audio old theaters provide from CD sources. I personally think DD on film sounds better than the older DTS system. PS BTW the two big HBO shows are Atmos mixes! Yes I figure... I know why Gravity was released on BR with the 5.1... it wasn't for a double dip. And it was a bit perfect encoding of the master it was made from... if they did but truncation it was pre encode. If you want to get into that specific title, it was originally mixed in 7.1, then the Atmos mix was done after that was finished. The 5.1 and LtRt's were made from the 7.1 stems... then encoded into lossy DD, SDDS and Datasat from the 5.1 DCP masters.. I've done plenty of work for HBO... care to elaborate what two shows are mixing in Atmos? We mixed GOT at the suited I worked at for 14 years.... I don't need to argue with you.. your "facts" are wrong. Would you like to tell me what films have gone to the cinema as 24/96 DCP's? There is almost no 96k work being done... and scores that are being recorded/mixed at 96k or 192k are, for the most part, SRC'd in real time on the final mix stage to 48k.. and that is still fairly rare. Budgets don't matter.. we just finished Transformers 4 and Turtles.... 48k. And I won't argue the point about theatrical 320k DD sounding better than DTS.. I've mixed almost 140 films, and directly AB compared many of the lossy release tracks directly against the masters... needless to say, I don't agree with your sentiment. |
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Post by FilmMixer on Jul 30, 2014 12:11:46 GMT -5
PS BTW the two big HBO shows are Atmos mixes! Which two? I'm assuming GoT is one, since it's about the biggest thing in the universe right now. What's the other? Do you have a source? My Google-fu seems to be pretty weak today, for some reason... It's not, GoT didn't last season.. There are no "broadcast" shows mixing in the format right now.. I'm waiting to hear what they are... BTW... That might change soon.  |
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Post by FilmMixer on Jul 30, 2014 12:18:47 GMT -5
That's not HBO - it's a Netflix original. Is it going to stream with Atmos, or will it be the blu ray release. How did you find this out? DOH! You're right. I don't think they have been released in the format IE no releases have the Atmos mix but I believe the production audio workflow is Atmos capable going forward. This is just what I heard though so I could be wrong. Here is an interesting video on the death of projectionists and projectors. And you are wrong... where do you get this stuff?  |
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Post by Hair Nick on Jul 30, 2014 14:30:45 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2014 19:58:39 GMT -5
Weren't both Samsara and Baraka 24/96 in the theater? I don't know how to verify this - everything I'm finding online is about the blu ray releases. The theater I worked at had Dolby Digital CP-750 processors that could go as high as 24/96, but the standard fare was 24/48. Was this the theater where you hung out worked?  |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2014 21:44:52 GMT -5
Weren't both Samsara and Baraka 24/96 in the theater? I don't know how to verify this - everything I'm finding online is about the blu ray releases. YUP Baraka is a MUST HAVE BLURAY and a great demo disc for showing off a system's performance. The Mitchell AP-65 HD transfers are just freakin AWESOME! I have Baraka but haven't played it in some time. I will play it again here very soon, in a day or two. I did buy the Samsara Blu-Ray yesterday at Costco, $16.79. I played it today. From my fuzzy memory I think I prefered Baraka and perhaps the VQ on Samsara was no better. The Fricke less than subtle message of how there are so many less than PC occurrences in the world and that he felt he had to shove it down my throat was a little too much for me in spite of the beautiful images and sound. I get so tired of "making a statement" in movies and documentaries. My immediate positive reaction was due to the superb DTS-HD Master Audio, whether one likes the music or not. The gorgeous orchestration during the closing credits is a great test for ultra smooth surround speaker matching and a clear endorsement of my never ending rant about having all 5 or 7 speakers voice/timbre matched (ditto for the music at the end of Life of Pi). This is surround sound at its best and sounded wonderful on my modest 5.1 Emotiva/Outlaw Audio THX style system. My other proof of endorsement is the magnificent voicing of the Emotiva Reference ERM-1 that I have for LCR. There is a female vocal part that begins about the 3:00 mark or slightly later that is a great test IMO for natural vocal reproduction. The relatively small but very clear and strong ERM-1 speaker makes for a great/compact center speaker when driven with adequate power (XPA-5). Also, for anyone who thinks the center channel and center speakers are only for dialog and vocals thru the center speaker only, this will blow that thought out of the water. This very ambient vocal is clearly audible thru not only the left and right speakers but also reflected in the surrounds, all perfectly smooth. BTW, the low bass in the opening volcano scene measured on the Richter Scale over near the Seahawk's Century Link Field! I'll listen to these two blu-rays and other high quality audio sources again just before I make the switch over to the XMC-1, to see if my audio memory can honestly hear a difference. |
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Post by jmilton on Jul 31, 2014 8:11:55 GMT -5
^^^Ahhh, the Apex. All those movies were in Atmos.
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Post by jdskycaster on Jul 31, 2014 8:48:43 GMT -5
^^^Now that's funny!
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Post by solidstate on Jul 31, 2014 13:22:52 GMT -5
DOH! You're right. I don't think they have been released in the format IE no releases have the Atmos mix but I believe the production audio workflow is Atmos capable going forward. This is just what I heard though so I could be wrong. Here is an interesting video on the death of projectionists and projectors. And you are wrong... where do you get this stuff? People I know that work in the industry. They told me they are mixing for it in Pro Tools using some new plugin even though at this point they are not releasing in Atmos. |
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