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Post by foggy1956 on Oct 23, 2014 18:38:10 GMT -5
I have spent many evenings listening to lots of my favorite stuff and I have tried stereo mode with my 7030 using the sub but I prefer listening with the 7030 in bypass so everything is sent to the speakers, I do understand the change thing which could be part of it as well but I have about 10 -15 hours of listening so far, crappy thing is I think I'm past my 30 day trial and would obviously go back to an Emotiva amp  I'm having the same issues ATM. Sold my triton 2's, so I could downsize. "Do I also have to downsize my expectations?" Go Tekton, just jayin☺ |
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Post by vcautokid on Oct 23, 2014 18:40:46 GMT -5
I love the Stealth 6 speaker too. I will employ a Subwoofer when the Times,comes, but these speakers are the best Emotiva has made even though I love the ERM and ERT speakers. The Stealths just bring so much music to you. Yeah I wanted the 8s too, but since a Sub is coming, no need.
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Post by creimes on Oct 23, 2014 19:03:34 GMT -5
Yeah don't get me wrong the Stealth 6 is a fantastic sounding speaker that is bringing out details in the music I had yet to hear, I just need that full sound back and like I mentioned it's the part where one song on an album has really great abs and the next just sounds flat ?, maybe the Stealth is too revealing of the recording hahaha. I must do more tweeeeeeeking still  Chad |
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Post by pop on Oct 23, 2014 22:27:41 GMT -5
Yeah don't get me wrong the Stealth 6 is a fantastic sounding speaker that is bringing out details in the music I had yet to hear, I just need that full sound back and like I mentioned it's the part where one song on an album has really great abs and the next just sounds flat ?, maybe the Stealth is too revealing of the recording hahaha. I must do more tweeeeeeeking still Chad I think the stealths are very true to the recording. I also think That if you grabbed a sub upgrade you will get the full sounds you are looking for. I find the bass performance in the stealths to be extremely noteworthy for their size. However you would be asking a speaker with one 6" driver to fill what a speaker with two would. Also, I had a pretty difficult time getting my subs to play right with the stealths. It took the better part of a day to get it just right. Once everything was sounding nice and tight I was able to enjoy the stealths. My first impressions were not favorable, but I have come to enjoy them quite a bit. I am working on a review of them with context of the Pendragons. Anyways, I hope you find bliss with the stealths. |
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Post by creimes on Oct 26, 2014 0:06:19 GMT -5
Yeah don't get me wrong the Stealth 6 is a fantastic sounding speaker that is bringing out details in the music I had yet to hear, I just need that full sound back and like I mentioned it's the part where one song on an album has really great abs and the next just sounds flat ?, maybe the Stealth is too revealing of the recording hahaha. I must do more tweeeeeeeking still Chad I think the stealths are very true to the recording. I also think That if you grabbed a sub upgrade you will get the full sounds you are looking for. I find the bass performance in the stealths to be extremely noteworthy for their size. However you would be asking a speaker with one 6" driver to fill what a speaker with two would. Also, I had a pretty difficult time getting my subs to play right with the stealths. It took the better part of a day to get it just right. Once everything was sounding nice and tight I was able to enjoy the stealths. My first impressions were not favorable, but I have come to enjoy them quite a bit. I am working on a review of them with context of the Pendragons. Anyways, I hope you find bliss with the stealths. So when i actually went to adjust the sensitivity I found out it was all the way up from factory, just looked to be at +2 when I looked at it, one question for anyone who would know I have been playing with the different settings for the Bass Roll Off but really don't understand exactly what it does lol, I'm new to the technical settings and have always pretty much just used bypass or direct for everything as it sounds great to me. Does it cut a certain frequency off at a certain volume hehe ? Chad |
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Post by Perpendicular on Oct 26, 2014 11:01:33 GMT -5
I think the stealths are very true to the recording. I also think That if you grabbed a sub upgrade you will get the full sounds you are looking for. I find the bass performance in the stealths to be extremely noteworthy for their size. However you would be asking a speaker with one 6" driver to fill what a speaker with two would. Also, I had a pretty difficult time getting my subs to play right with the stealths. It took the better part of a day to get it just right. Once everything was sounding nice and tight I was able to enjoy the stealths. My first impressions were not favorable, but I have come to enjoy them quite a bit. I am working on a review of them with context of the Pendragons. Anyways, I hope you find bliss with the stealths. So when i actually went to adjust the sensitivity I found out it was all the way up from factory, just looked to be at +2 when I looked at it, one question for anyone who would know I have been playing with the different settings for the Bass Roll Off but really don't understand exactly what it does lol, I'm new to the technical settings and have always pretty much just used bypass or direct for everything as it sounds great to me. Does it cut a certain frequency off at a certain volume hehe ? Chad From the manual: Bass Tilt adjustment:
The Bass Tilt adjustment allows you configure a gradual bass roll-off on the Stealth 6 to compensate for room acoustics. Frequency modification starts at approximately 1250 Hz, and reaches a maximum effect of -2 dB, -4 dB, or -6 dB at 40 Hz. The DIP switch labelled Mute completely disables the low-frequency transducer in the Stealth 6. The default setting (with all DIP switches OFF) is flat. Bass Roll Off adjustment: The Bass Roll Off adjustment allows you to apply a gradual bass roll-off on the Stealth 6 to compensate for room acoustics and boundary effects. The effect of the Bass Roll Off adjustment is more subtle than that of the Bass Tilt adjustment, and only affects lower frequencies. Frequency modification starts at approximately 250 Hz, and reaches a maximum effect of approximately -2 dB, -4 dB, -6 dB, or -8 dB at 40 Hz. The default setting (with all DIP switches OFF) is flat. Note: Please turn only one DIP switch in each group On at once.Personally, I never use Bass Tilt and use Bass Roll-off at -6 dB because the Stealth 6's are closer to the front wall. Hope this helps! |
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Post by creimes on Oct 26, 2014 12:29:34 GMT -5
So when i actually went to adjust the sensitivity I found out it was all the way up from factory, just looked to be at +2 when I looked at it, one question for anyone who would know I have been playing with the different settings for the Bass Roll Off but really don't understand exactly what it does lol, I'm new to the technical settings and have always pretty much just used bypass or direct for everything as it sounds great to me. Does it cut a certain frequency off at a certain volume hehe ? Chad From the manual: Bass Tilt adjustment:
The Bass Tilt adjustment allows you configure a gradual bass roll-off on the Stealth 6 to compensate for room acoustics. Frequency modification starts at approximately 1250 Hz, and reaches a maximum effect of -2 dB, -4 dB, or -6 dB at 40 Hz. The DIP switch labelled Mute completely disables the low-frequency transducer in the Stealth 6. The default setting (with all DIP switches OFF) is flat. Bass Roll Off adjustment: The Bass Roll Off adjustment allows you to apply a gradual bass roll-off on the Stealth 6 to compensate for room acoustics and boundary effects. The effect of the Bass Roll Off adjustment is more subtle than that of the Bass Tilt adjustment, and only affects lower frequencies. Frequency modification starts at approximately 250 Hz, and reaches a maximum effect of approximately -2 dB, -4 dB, -6 dB, or -8 dB at 40 Hz. The default setting (with all DIP switches OFF) is flat. Note: Please turn only one DIP switch in each group On at once.Personally, I never use Bass Tilt and use Bass Roll-off at -6 dB because the Stealth 6's are closer to the front wall. Hope this helps! Hmmm thanks, I downloaded the manual but missed some of that, I have a treated room and have tried playing around with them but it's hard to tell a difference Chad |
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Post by Perpendicular on Oct 26, 2014 12:45:10 GMT -5
I don't touch Bass Tilt because it decreases fullness out of the sound. Especially vocals.
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Post by entropymann on Feb 3, 2015 12:56:11 GMT -5
I auditioned the Stealth 6s, and they are superb monitors. However, I returned them, mainly because I was hoping to get a pair of small speakers that do most everything well. But they didn't do it for me. For many types of music, they do a great job. But for classical, they are not so good. I like orchestral/organ music such as those of Bach's. The S6 didn't offer the scale or impact of a true-3way speaker. There was also something missing...to my ears, the mid and lower mid-bass were not as prominent. I played organ music on the Airmotiv 4/5s, compared that to the Stealth 6, and I like the Airmotivs better. So my plan is to get a pair of small 3-way towers for the L/R, and a matching center. Here's my wish list...Stealth 3-way...Emotiva, are you listening? (Take the Stealth 8, stretch it, add 5.5" woofer from the Airmotiv 5s, then 8-10" or larger driver for the bass. The speaker would ideally be 36" tall (max), and weight at 50lbs max, and $999 each...this is a reasonable price/weight considering that if you add the Airmotiv 5s & Stealth 8, that's what you'll be paying for. Also, Emotiva...how about a center channel speaker...with either TWO 6.5 or 5.5" drivers, flanking an AMT...  priced at $399-499? I will buy these immediately... When I auditioned the Stealth 6, I mated the 4S and woofer of the Stealth 6...they sound really good together. The tweeter on the Stealth 6 can be muted..that's what I did. |
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Post by entropymann on Feb 5, 2015 18:48:38 GMT -5
Hey, Creimes...I feel your pain, man. If you felt that there is something is missing from the low end, that's because I think there is. I personally don't think the super low end is gone; I think the mid/low bass is gone. Hence I returned them to trade for the Airmotiv series. The AM6s lows is a little enhanced, while the Stealth 6 is lean. IMHO, the Stealth 6 is better for movies because of a few Hz lower freq; but for music, I prefer the AM series...Heck, I like music on the 4s/5s better than I do the S6.
For example, when I listen a male voice, the S6 is lean; my ears could not hear the full male voice. When I switched to the AM6s, I could hear a richer male voice...the mid seemed to be there.
I played orchestra/organ music on the S6...guess what? Lean. They don't have the scale/impact of a true, 3-way full range speaker. Music on the AM4s, 5s, 6s sound better to me than the S6. Movies, especially when LFE kicks in, sound slightly better on the S6, with a little more impact. Of course, when bass kicks in, it's more taught on the S6 than on the AM series...
So if you're going from a 3-way to a 2-way, then you're experiencing a loss of the mid/low bass and impact, I believe. I have posted elsewhere my wish list from Emotiva...3way speaker using AM5s woofer/tweeter and Stealth 8 (or larger) woofer...self-powered, 32-36" tall max, 50lbs max, for $ 999 each...and a AM66 or AM55 for center channel.
I had S6 LCR setup as you do; returned them after 2wks of trial period...decided to go with all AM6s for L/R, pair of 5s for center, and pair of 4s or 5s for surrounds. I had tried the AM series before trying the S6...so loss some money to send the AM series back, then get the S6, then back to AMs...live and learn.
I plan to get a pair of small 3-way speakers for the L/R so that I can get a fuller sound for music. I was hoping the S6 could do that, but they didn't do that for me. So I've concluded that a 2-way speaker cannot replace even a small 3-way tower (say 32-36" high).
I also tested this: I placed AM4s on top of each of the S6 (L/R). Muted the treble on the S6...guess what? That combo sound good to my ears. Another idea I have later on is to get a pair of Stealth 8, mate them to my AM5s, mute the treble on the S8. Then feed the S8 with subwoofer output, with crossover at say, 150-250ish Hz...crazy idea, I know. But then I would have a 3-way...of course, the processor has to have 2 subwoofer outs for L/R.
Good luck....
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Post by entropymann on Feb 5, 2015 18:50:27 GMT -5
Oh...I also adjusted every switch in the back of the S6...not much improvement. Don't touch the bass section, though. That only made it worse...more loss of impact. I had to turn the treble down 2dB. That sound better...the highs were less shilling than before.
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Post by creimes on Feb 7, 2015 1:44:50 GMT -5
Hey, Creimes...I feel your pain, man. If you felt that there is something is missing from the low end, that's because I think there is. I personally don't think the super low end is gone; I think the mid/low bass is gone. Hence I returned them to trade for the Airmotiv series. The AM6s lows is a little enhanced, while the Stealth 6 is lean. IMHO, the Stealth 6 is better for movies because of a few Hz lower freq; but for music, I prefer the AM series...Heck, I like music on the 4s/5s better than I do the S6. For example, when I listen a male voice, the S6 is lean; my ears could not hear the full male voice. When I switched to the AM6s, I could hear a richer male voice...the mid seemed to be there. I played orchestra/organ music on the S6...guess what? Lean. They don't have the scale/impact of a true, 3-way full range speaker. Music on the AM4s, 5s, 6s sound better to me than the S6. Movies, especially when LFE kicks in, sound slightly better on the S6, with a little more impact. Of course, when bass kicks in, it's more taught on the S6 than on the AM series... So if you're going from a 3-way to a 2-way, then you're experiencing a loss of the mid/low bass and impact, I believe. I have posted elsewhere my wish list from Emotiva...3way speaker using AM5s woofer/tweeter and Stealth 8 (or larger) woofer...self-powered, 32-36" tall max, 50lbs max, for $ 999 each...and a AM66 or AM55 for center channel. I had S6 LCR setup as you do; returned them after 2wks of trial period...decided to go with all AM6s for L/R, pair of 5s for center, and pair of 4s or 5s for surrounds. I had tried the AM series before trying the S6...so loss some money to send the AM series back, then get the S6, then back to AMs...live and learn. I plan to get a pair of small 3-way speakers for the L/R so that I can get a fuller sound for music. I was hoping the S6 could do that, but they didn't do that for me. So I've concluded that a 2-way speaker cannot replace even a small 3-way tower (say 32-36" high). I also tested this: I placed AM4s on top of each of the S6 (L/R). Muted the treble on the S6...guess what? That combo sound good to my ears. Another idea I have later on is to get a pair of Stealth 8, mate them to my AM5s, mute the treble on the S8. Then feed the S8 with subwoofer output, with crossover at say, 150-250ish Hz...crazy idea, I know. But then I would have a 3-way...of course, the processor has to have 2 subwoofer outs for L/R. Good luck.... Yeah that's pretty much what I experienced going from my Monitor Audio RX6 towers to these Stealth 6 speakers, they actually do dig deep for their size but that mid/bass is missing from what I had from my RX6's, but the RX6 do have a mid/bass driver so that could be it haha, I do hear things a tad better through the Stealth's compared to my MA RX6's but having towers for so long I am missing that midbass, I'm not sure if a sub can help that out or not, I'm assuming not but I'm a noob at sub integration There is a pair of the new Monitor Audio Silvers the Silver 8 here in my city for sale, if my stealth's sell I'm going to move to these but I have had no action on the Stealth's so far. Chad |
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Post by entropymann on Feb 7, 2015 22:04:08 GMT -5
The sub would definitely help. Integration can be an issue. But personally, I believe music sound better with a 3-way, rather than a 2-way + sub. If I were to do this, I would get two small subs in the 8-10" range, one each for the L/R, as explained above. (Emotiva...how about powered subs?...Are you planning to make them?)
After this experience of testing 2-way speakers, comparing them to 3-way, I have pretty much concluded that I may never get a 2-way speaker for my main L/R...that is, for my main system. I would get them for a small room or as computer monitors. Subs are good, but I prefer to listen to music on a 3-way speaker, rather than a 2-way + subs. I've also auditioned 2/2.5 way small towers speakers and a handful of other bookshelves, including the famed "Golden Ear" bookshelves and towers. The Emotivas sound the best to me. The 2-way, small tower sounds good; the 2.5 way sounds better, and the 3-way, of course, sounds best.
I also thought of this too. If one were to hook up a o-scope to the music signal, the signal is actually a composite of all frequencies, just as white light contains all colors. The crossover networks divide them into different freqs, then feed them to the appropriate driver. Therefore in a 2-way, the woofer cannot be simultaneously producing mid at the same time it's trying to produce the bass, especially if all these freqs occur in the same time domain. This is my conjecture, anyway. Perhaps some audio guru can chime in.
Since I'm keeping the AM series, I plan to get the Stealth 8 later...when time and finance permit. Then mate them to the AM5s (as explained above). At the moment, I don't have a good processor; will need to get a good one with dual sub outs. Or just get a pair of 3-way, small towers...
Of course, I'm having fun doing all this...
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Post by KeithL on Feb 8, 2015 20:18:52 GMT -5
A music signal is indeed "composed of a whole bunch of different frequencies" - but frequency itself is just one way of looking at things. Another way of looking at it is that "sound" is just pressure being "measured" by your eardrum, and, at any single instant, you can describe that pressure as a single number. Both of those statements are correct. However, if you "use" the second one, you'll see that there's no particular reason why a single driver couldn't theoretically move back and forth in such a way as to exactly reproduce the pressure produced by the original sound, and so reproduce "all those frequencies" at once. The reasons why we have separate woofers and tweeters are much more mundane - and they have to do with the mechanical limitations of ALL methods that exist for reproducing sound. The most well-known limitation/tradeff is that large cones become directional when asked to produce frequencies whose wavelength is smaller than their diameter (so a speaker that can produce 10 kHz without firing it straight forward like a death ray should be smaller than about an inch across), but low frequencies require the speaker to move significant quantities of air, which suggests a large driver. (Imagine how far a 1" dome would have to move to move as much air as a 12" woofer that moves 1/4"). The end result is that it is simply impossible to design a coventional driver that handles all frequencies well, and the best compromise is to create different drivers which are optimized to produce narrower ranges of frequencies accurately and cleanly (and thus woofers, midranges, and tweeters). However, at this point ,we are faced with another tradeoff. On one side, it would be easier to get the best performance if we used a lot of drivers, each optimized for a very narrow range of frequencies; but balancing against that is that more drivers cost more, and the filters required to separate the sound into more frequency bands are more complex, so they both cost more and introduce more problems of their own, and you are also faced with physical interactions between all those drivers. (With a two-way speaker, all you have to worry about is interactions between the woofer and tweeter, with a three-way speaker, you have four ways the drivers can interact - woofer/mid, mid/tweeter, woofer/tweeter, and all three with each other). This same logic applies whether you're talking about a three-way conventional speaker or a two-way speaker and a sub. What makes it more complicated with a sub is that the physical distance and relationship between the "woofer" and the other two drivers is also a variable. What makes it simpler is that we can then locate the woofer at the best location for it, and that we don't have to worry about the mechanical interactions between woofers from multiple channels - because we're only using one. Back to simple, since we only use the sub for very low frequencies, where we humans can't localize sound very well, we get to ignore some of the issues we have to worry about with the other speakers. So you're sort of correct - in a two-way design the woofer is optimized for producing low frequencies and the tweeter is optimized for high frequencies. (And, in a two-way with a sub, since the sub is handling the very low frequencies, the regular woofer can be better optimized for the other frequencies that it is handling.) The sub would definitely help. Integration can be an issue. But personally, I believe music sound better with a 3-way, rather than a 2-way + sub. If I were to do this, I would get two small subs in the 8-10" range, one each for the L/R, as explained above. (Emotiva...how about powered subs?...Are you planning to make them?) After this experience of testing 2-way speakers, comparing them to 3-way, I have pretty much concluded that I may never get a 2-way speaker for my main L/R...that is, for my main system. I would get them for a small room or as computer monitors. Subs are good, but I prefer to listen to music on a 3-way speaker, rather than a 2-way + subs. I've also auditioned 2/2.5 way small towers speakers and a handful of other bookshelves, including the famed "Golden Ear" bookshelves and towers. The Emotivas sound the best to me. The 2-way, small tower sounds good; the 2.5 way sounds better, and the 3-way, of course, sounds best. I also thought of this too. If one were to hook up a o-scope to the music signal, the signal is actually a composite of all frequencies, just as white light contains all colors. The crossover networks divide them into different freqs, then feed them to the appropriate driver. Therefore in a 2-way, the woofer cannot be simultaneously producing mid at the same time it's trying to produce the bass, especially if all these freqs occur in the same time domain. This is my conjecture, anyway. Perhaps some audio guru can chime in. Since I'm keeping the AM series, I plan to get the Stealth 8 later...when time and finance permit. Then mate them to the AM5s (as explained above). At the moment, I don't have a good processor; will need to get a good one with dual sub outs. Or just get a pair of 3-way, small towers... Of course, I'm having fun doing all this... |
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Post by creimes on Feb 8, 2015 21:27:42 GMT -5
Just to clear the air if it in fact does need clearing haha , IMO these Stealth 6 speakers are indeed amazing and very resolving speakers, I am a lot more used to their sound now than when I first got them, they let me here stuff I had yet to hear with my previous setups and I am probably a fool for even putting them up for sale, really I should just take the ad down haha, even the fact that I am no longer chasing amplifier dreams from another dimension while riding unicorns is big +, heck I have six mono's in my house right now Chad |
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Post by pop on Feb 9, 2015 10:51:45 GMT -5
Just to clear the air if it in fact does need clearing haha , IMO these Stealth 6 speakers are indeed amazing and very resolving speakers, I am a lot more used to their sound now than when I first got them, they let me here stuff I had yet to hear with my previous setups and I am probably a fool for even putting them up for sale, really I should just take the ad down haha, even the fact that I am no longer chasing amplifier dreams from another dimension while riding unicorns is big +, heck I have six mono's in my house right now Chad Where is your add? Interestingly enough, I went from the Pendragons to the Stealths. There was quite a bit of mid bass slam with the Pendragons as compared to the Stealth, but I really don't miss it that much. Only with movies is it notable that the Pendragons would best the Stealths in this factor. This in part has to do with the High efficient design as well. Have fun with your new speakers, maybe you should give tekton a shot. |
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Post by entropymann on Feb 9, 2015 12:10:45 GMT -5
Agreed, Chad. The Stealth 6 are revealing speakers...maybe too revealing for my taste. The 3 main reasons I traded them for the AM series: vocal (especially male voice), organ, and orchestra sound leaner on S6; fuller on AM series...
Thanks for the exposition, Keith. Indeed sound re-creation is complex. I'm amazed how the drivers work...that they can produce such a varied array of sound at once, all emanating from 1 or 2 drivers. Me too...I like the idea of NOT having to worry about amplifiers...
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Post by creimes on Feb 9, 2015 12:42:23 GMT -5
Just to clear the air if it in fact does need clearing haha , IMO these Stealth 6 speakers are indeed amazing and very resolving speakers, I am a lot more used to their sound now than when I first got them, they let me here stuff I had yet to hear with my previous setups and I am probably a fool for even putting them up for sale, really I should just take the ad down haha, even the fact that I am no longer chasing amplifier dreams from another dimension while riding unicorns is big +, heck I have six mono's in my house right now Chad Where is your add? Interestingly enough, I went from the Pendragons to the Stealths. There was quite a bit of mid bass slam with the Pendragons as compared to the Stealth, but I really don't miss it that much. Only with movies is it notable that the Pendragons would best the Stealths in this factor. This in part has to do with the High efficient design as well. Have fun with your new speakers, maybe you should give tekton a shot. My ad is in the Emotiva-Eh section lol, have had zero interest which is odd as they are also on CAM site up here in Canada and someone can get a good deal but like I said I should just keep them anyways |
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Post by Nodscene on Feb 9, 2015 16:42:00 GMT -5
It's truly tough finding speakers that will accommodate your listening preferences. I've gone though quite a few pairs of speakers myself. I just got lucky with my last pair (Angstrom Alpha 80's re-capped by the engineer so they kick all sorts of ass) and are basically my last pair of speakers. It would just cost too much to replace and I don't think there is a speaker out there that can be so revealing, accurate and whatever adjective you want to use while still being forgiving enough on bad recordings. They are just so musical while still being able to reproduce the little things like decay properly. So I guess the point is I'm sure there are a pair of speakers out there that are perfect for you if you give them a change. If it weren't for these I probably would have gone back to a pair of Tektons (M-Lore is what I had but would have tried something else higher in the lineup) as they are truly fun and enjoyable speakers to listen to...lots of energy and very quick. I liked them quite a bit better than the MA RX6's actually.
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Post by creimes on Feb 10, 2015 10:29:56 GMT -5
It's truly tough finding speakers that will accommodate your listening preferences. I've gone though quite a few pairs of speakers myself. I just got lucky with my last pair (Angstrom Alpha 80's re-capped by the engineer so they kick all sorts of ass) and are basically my last pair of speakers. It would just cost too much to replace and I don't think there is a speaker out there that can be so revealing, accurate and whatever adjective you want to use while still being forgiving enough on bad recordings. They are just so musical while still being able to reproduce the little things like decay properly. So I guess the point is I'm sure there are a pair of speakers out there that are perfect for you if you give them a change. If it weren't for these I probably would have gone back to a pair of Tektons (M-Lore is what I had but would have tried something else higher in the lineup) as they are truly fun and enjoyable speakers to listen to...lots of energy and very quick. I liked them quite a bit better than the MA RX6's actually. Did you end up selling your RX6's yet ? |
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priced at $399-499? I will buy these immediately...
