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Post by Jim on Jan 7, 2015 10:16:19 GMT -5
Same question I asked. Seems kind of obsessive to me.  I laughed out loud. Don't ask me why. |
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Post by DYohn on Jan 7, 2015 10:32:14 GMT -5
So, I was serious when I asked "what is grooming"? Can someone explain what you are doing? Are you just laboriously manually comparing what is on your shelves vs. your library? Mark Same question I asked. Seems kind of obsessive to me. I rip my CD's using EAC, which is linked to some external database that provides the album artist and track information that is used by my Sonos system. So far I have not had any errors. When it comes to album cover art or other information, I have the original CD if I ever want to look at it so it never occurred to me to want to digitize any of that stuff. I just enjoy the music, which comes from a database that so far has been accurate in terms of artist and track. And I have the same result using iTunes. My library is over 100,000 tracks. |
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Post by Axis on Jan 7, 2015 10:52:53 GMT -5
Same question I asked. Seems kind of obsessive to me. I rip my CD's using EAC, which is linked to some external database that provides the album artist and track information that is used by my Sonos system. So far I have not had any errors. When it comes to album cover art or other information, I have the original CD if I ever want to look at it so it never occurred to me to want to digitize any of that stuff. I just enjoy the music, which comes from a database that so far has been accurate in terms of artist and track. And I have the same result using iTunes. My library is over 100,000 tracks. Color me impressed but do you ever get confused about if you already have something ? |
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Post by monkumonku on Jan 7, 2015 10:58:27 GMT -5
And I have the same result using iTunes. My library is over 100,000 tracks. Color me impressed but do you ever get confused about if you already have something ? Good point! But I think the more important point is does he ever lose sleep wondering about that. |
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Post by Axis on Jan 7, 2015 11:01:59 GMT -5
Color me impressed but do you ever get confused about if you already have something ? Good point! But I think the more important point is does he ever lose sleep wondering about that. I admire those that love music like David. If your going to worry about something, worrying about more music is good thing.  |
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Post by DYohn on Jan 7, 2015 11:20:23 GMT -5
And I have the same result using iTunes. My library is over 100,000 tracks. Color me impressed but do you ever get confused about if you already have something ? Oh yes. I have multiple copies of several CDs. Backups to my backups. |
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Post by DYohn on Jan 7, 2015 11:21:00 GMT -5
Color me impressed but do you ever get confused about if you already have something ? Good point! But I think the more important point is does he ever lose sleep wondering about that. Never. |
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Post by Bonzo on Jan 7, 2015 12:25:27 GMT -5
I have zero experience when it comes to using different versions of software for ripping; I've only used iTunes. But I've done 2500+ discs via iTunes, and let me tell you, anyone that says iTunes does the metadata part of rips correctly must not have a very big collection. iTunes totally sucks in this regard IMO. I'd say at least 80% of the discs I ripped years ago had to be manually fixed for one reason or another, if not more. The problem is you are really at the mercy of the idiot who put the metadata in the database in the first place. For example, I just love (sarcasm for hate) when you rip a CD and all the songs have the order number before the title. 1-Song A 2-Song B 3-Song C etc. What idiot does this? Do they realize this totally ruins any chance of sorting songs by title? Don't even get me started on all the different screwed up ways Classical music is in there. People who categorize things like genres and compilations are on a different planet than me. iTunes also misses art all the time, and doing it manually can work great to totally not at all depending on the CD. Either way it's a pain, and super frustrating when you go through the effort only to find it didn't take. iTunes also couldn't seem to find some of the most basic discs I threw at it. Then on the contrary, found metadata for CD-R's I had made manually in the analog world doing needle drops. A big WTF???
Then there are people like me who like to think of multi-disc sets as one album. So for example, when I have a Grateful Dead Dick's Picks set that has 3 discs, I have to manually go in and fix them all so the computer treats it all like 1 big CD with 27 tracks instead of 3 CD's with 9 tracks each. What a pain.
Oh, and did I mention that my MAC decided to up and lose all 25,000 of my tracks one day? Went to play something and everything was gone. Just gone. Computer worked just fine (an still does), but it basically deleted all the "file location" information so not one single song could be retrieved. Took my MAC to the store only to be told, sorry, that happens some times. Classic. After 2 weeks of research there wasn't anyway to fix it without using back ups.
At some point I will do it all again, in full resolution this time, but when I do, I'm certainly going to do some research to find a better way than itunes. This thread has already helped.
But honesty, it will probably be a long while. I will always prefer using an actual physical media like CD. Just me. I find having it all in the computer makes it harder to listen to music, not easier. And I've found my iPod to be about useless in my life because I very very rarely use it. It's the main reason I started ripping in the first place and I hardly ever use it. What good is that? But that's all an entirely different topic and thread.
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Post by hemster on Jan 7, 2015 12:30:13 GMT -5
Many of my discs are obscure enough that even Google can't find the original CD cover art. In those cases, I scan the insert & then copy it to the disc metadata. That's certainly a valid way of doing it. I found a long time ago that embedding album art into each and every track is a huge overhead. (Yes, I know disc storage is cheap nowadays). I just keep a single image named "folder.jpg" in the folder with all the tracks for a given album. Most players use that as the album art by default. Other file names also work. (e.g. cover.jpg). |
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Post by hemster on Jan 7, 2015 12:40:07 GMT -5
I have zero experience when it comes to using different versions of software for ripping; I've only used iTunes. But I've done 2500+ discs via iTunes, and let me tell you, anyone that says iTunes does the metadata part of rips correctly must not have a very big collection. iTunes totally sucks in this regard IMO. I'd say at least 80% of the discs I ripped years ago had to be manually fixed for one reason or another, if not more. The problem is you are really at the mercy of the idiot who put the metadata in the database in the first place. For example, I just love (sarcasm for hate) when you rip a CD and all the songs have the order number before the title. 1-Song A 2-Song B 3-Song C etc. What idiot does this? Do they realize this totally ruins any chance of sorting songs by title? Don't even get me started on all the different screwed up ways Classical music is in there. People who categorize things like genres and compilations are on a different planet than me. iTunes also misses art all the time, and doing it manually can work great to totally not at all depending on the CD. Either way it's a pain, and super frustrating when you go through the effort only to find it didn't take. iTunes also couldn't seem to find some of the most basic discs I threw at it. Then on the contrary, found metadata for CD-R's I had made manually in the analog world doing needle drops. A big WTF??? Then there are people like me who like to think of multi-disc sets as one album. So for example, when I have a Grateful Dead bleep's Picks set that has 3 discs, I have to manually go in and fix them all so the computer treats it all like 1 big CD with 27 tracks instead of 3 CD's with 9 tracks each. What a pain. Oh, and did I mention that my MAC decided to up and lose all 25,000 of my tracks one day? Went to play something and everything was gone. Just gone. Computer worked just fine (an still does), but it basically deleted all the "file location" information so not one single song could be retrieved. Took my MAC to the store only to be told, sorry, that happens some times. Classic. After 2 weeks of research there wasn't anyway to fix it without using back ups. At some point I will do it all again, in full resolution this time, but when I do, I'm certainly going to do some research to find a better way than itunes. This thread has already helped. But honesty, it will probably be a long while. I will always prefer using an actual physical media like CD. Just me. I find having it all in the computer makes it harder to listen to music, not easier. And I've found my iPod to be about useless in my life because I very very rarely use it. It's the main reason I started ripping in the first place and I hardly ever use it. What good is that? But that's all an entirely different topic and thread. I agree that it's a real PITA to fix erroneous metadata and other things manually. This is where mp3tag really shines. It has the capability of doing smart operations via simple scripts. No coding is required to put these scripts together and there are many samples available on their website ( www.mp3tag.de). The author helps via emails/posts and keep the program updated with bugfixes and new features. Lastly, I used to use my ipod a lot. Nowadays it finds use in the gym or when on an extended car ride. Back in 2006 I purchased a DLO iPod holder/player for the car which charges the thing and replays through the car speakers. |
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Post by Bonzo on Jan 7, 2015 12:49:26 GMT -5
I agree that it's a real PITA to fix erroneous metadata and other things manually. This is where mp3tag really shines. It has the capability of doing smart operations via simple scripts. No coding is required to put these scripts together and there are many samples available on their website ( www.mp3tag.de). The author helps via emails/posts and keep the program updated with bugfixes and new features. Your previous post was one of the ones I found very helpful for any future endeavor I do with ripping. I've made a note of it. Thanks! Only time I use mine now is on vacation trips. That's it. That's why I know I will not be buying one of the newer hi-rez players anytime soon. |
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Post by klinemj on Jan 7, 2015 18:28:15 GMT -5
Now that I understand what grooming one's collection means, I have not done that but I did take it in for a Mani/pedi. Everything sounds so much more relaxed now.  Mark |
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Post by Gary Cook on Jan 7, 2015 19:01:41 GMT -5
I've never had an iPod, by my iPhones have always had music for playing on trips in the car. My car has a Pioneer head unit, my wife's a VW unit and both accept digital inputs, so avoiding the very average iPhone DAC. No CD's in the cars for some years, avoids the melting problem. Album art and iTunes is like the dark arts, most of the time it works perfectly, but for some (a handful of) albums it just won't stick. If they weren't albums I listen to often I'd delete them  Happy New year Gary |
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Post by Porscheguy on Jan 7, 2015 19:27:04 GMT -5
I groomed a dog once.... Is that the same thing?
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Post by Gary Cook on Jan 7, 2015 19:43:34 GMT -5
I groomed a dog once.... Is that the same thing? Nope, more like crutching a sheep.
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Post by hemster on Jan 7, 2015 19:49:48 GMT -5
I groomed a dog once.... Is that the same thing? Nope, more like crutching a sheep.
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Post by indyscammer on Jan 7, 2015 19:57:27 GMT -5
Color me impressed but do you ever get confused about if you already have something ? Oh yes. I have multiple copies of several CDs. Backups to my backups. It is starting to become an issue for me as my collection grows. In fact I have a brand new copy of Joe Walsh But Seriously Folks if anyone is looking for one. I MUCH prefer to rip with JRiver over iTunes when it comes to metadata. I get better initial results and manual editing is more intuitive for me. |
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Post by vneal on Jan 7, 2015 20:03:50 GMT -5
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Post by hemster on Jan 7, 2015 20:32:19 GMT -5
I groomed a dog once.... Is that the same thing? Nope, more like crutching a sheep.
Happy New Year Gary ...so one who shears is a sheep shearer, then is the above a sheep crutcher? Don't know how but I do know the difference between the two operations!  |
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Post by audiobill on Jan 7, 2015 20:39:32 GMT -5
I have 25 million tracks, all indexed, backed up and all with aligned album art.
Called Tidal!
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