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Post by hemster on Jan 7, 2015 20:48:49 GMT -5
I have 25 million tracks, all indexed, backed up and all with aligned album art. Called Tidal! Yes but... they're not yours. If Tidal decides to pull down their web shutters (so to speak) you're left with nothing! Also I'd rather own my music whereas you pay for renting music - not that there's anything wrong with that. Just different strokes for different folks. Thassall.. |
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Post by audiobill on Jan 7, 2015 20:51:27 GMT -5
Not at all concerned about the future of streaming audio......no question we're headed there and fast  |
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Post by drtrey3 on Jan 7, 2015 21:15:28 GMT -5
I had music I bought from Music Giants. Had is the operative word. The company went out of business and my purchased music was left high and dry due to the website not being around to validate my copies. DRM. So I reverted to old school ownership and backup.
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Post by Chris on Jan 7, 2015 21:47:41 GMT -5
I've had a personal music server for over ten years. I am a long term user/fan of the Squeezebox Logitech Music Server system. I have all the Squeezebox devices from the original Squeezebox 3 all the way to the final Squeezebox Touch. I am also now making my own Squeezebox clients using Raspberry Pi using either the Picoreplayer or Squeezeplug distros. These will stream up to 192k/24b via usb all for $29. I'll be plugging one of these into my XMC-1 soon to compare with my existing SB Touch (native 96k/24b).
As of today, my network server with over 8 tb of storage has 6,184 albums with 73,011 songs by 3117 artists. All are rips of purchased CDs or downloads in lossless FLAC. I am very paranoid about data loss so I have created a clone of the data on a hard disk and store it offsite in a safety deposit box. Recently, I am taking advantage of the unlimited storage in Microsoft's Onedrive and have uploaded a good portion of my music into the cloud (over 1tb so far). I can upload about 500gb in two or three days.
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Post by jcam2881 on Jan 7, 2015 22:10:45 GMT -5
I've had a personal music server for over ten years. I am a long term user/fan of the Squeezebox Logitech Music Server system. I have all the Squeezebox devices from the original Squeezebox 3 all the way to the final Squeezebox Touch. I am also now making my own Squeezebox clients using Raspberry Pi using either the Picoreplayer or Squeezeplug distros. These will stream up to 192k/24b via usb all for $29. I'll be plugging one of these into my XMC-1 soon to compare with my existing SB Touch (native 96k/24b). As of today, my network server with over 8 tb of storage has 6,184 albums with 73,011 songs by 3117 artists. All are rips of purchased CDs or downloads in lossless FLAC. I am very paranoid about data loss so I have created a clone of the data on a hard disk and store it offsite in a safety deposit box. Recently, I am taking advantage of the unlimited storage in Microsoft's Onedrive and have uploaded a good portion of my music into the cloud (over 1tb so far). I can upload about 500gb in two or three days. That's impressive ! Offsite storage - sweet. I personally know how long it takes to save media this way . For me it had been since 2008 when I first started creating digital copies of my movies... Then it would b 1 a day due to the time to extract., decrypt , re code / wrap etc. bluray would have taken a week in 2008 . I can say I'm in serious trouble if I loose my media with close to 1,000 movies it would be painful. 30 plus gig for a bluray no chance I'm using the cloud but like the physical offsite :-) |
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Post by Gary Cook on Jan 7, 2015 23:39:42 GMT -5
Not at all concerned about the future of streaming audio......no question we're headed there and fast I'm concerned, a company goes bust no big deal ........ except when no one else picks up their catalogue. Now I have to join 2 companies to get my full catalogue, no big deal ........... except when no one else picks up their catalogue. I have such eclectic tastes I wouldn't be surprised to have to join multiple companies. Each to his own, I'll just keep on buying CD's. Happy New Year Gary |
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Post by audiobill on Jan 8, 2015 6:55:43 GMT -5
Please understand, I still have all the cds I've ever purchased ripped and stored away in the basement somewhere.
So, I can buy one new CD per month, or access 2.5 million (at ten tracks each) albums, at the same cd quality for about the same price.
If a service goes belly up, I can always revert to the more primitive ownership model.
In the meantime, i gain choice, convenience, and not worry at all about RAID, Plex, DLNA, storage, Jriver, ad nauseum like the ownership model requires.
I let the IT experts at the service do that for me.
Do you really believe the services will all disappear?
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Post by Boomzilla on Jan 8, 2015 8:10:02 GMT -5
Even if Tidal were permanent and reliable, they won't have half the titles that I do. Many of mine are relatively obscure performances of classical music on small record labels. Tidal won't ever carry those. If I have to keep half my music on HDD, why not all - and not pay Tidal a penny?
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Post by audiobill on Jan 8, 2015 8:58:10 GMT -5
Well, that makes sense if all your listening is to music so obscure that 25 million selections doesn't cover it.
When I look at the "What are you listening to now" thread, most is pretty ordinary (in availability, not necessarily performance quality).
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Post by cburbs on Jan 8, 2015 10:05:24 GMT -5
I've had a personal music server for over ten years. I am a long term user/fan of the Squeezebox Logitech Music Server system. I have all the Squeezebox devices from the original Squeezebox 3 all the way to the final Squeezebox Touch. I am also now making my own Squeezebox clients using Raspberry Pi using either the Picoreplayer or Squeezeplug distros. These will stream up to 192k/24b via usb all for $29. I'll be plugging one of these into my XMC-1 soon to compare with my existing SB Touch (native 96k/24b). As of today, my network server with over 8 tb of storage has 6,184 albums with 73,011 songs by 3117 artists. All are rips of purchased CDs or downloads in lossless FLAC. I am very paranoid about data loss so I have created a clone of the data on a hard disk and store it offsite in a safety deposit box. Recently, I am taking advantage of the unlimited storage in Microsoft's Onedrive and have uploaded a good portion of my music into the cloud (over 1tb so far). I can upload about 500gb in two or three days. Good thinking on the off storage. Have you tried Volumio, Runeaudio, or pimusicbox? Thanks Chad |
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Post by Bonzo on Jan 8, 2015 10:34:33 GMT -5
Not at all concerned about the future of streaming audio......no question we're headed there and fast As long as some form of physical media still exists, I have no problem with this. But if it FORCES physical media to totally go away, then that will suck for me and a crap load of other people.  And let me tell you, I find steaming/downloading all utterly inconvenient. You find it convenient, cool. But I don't. It has it's place and time when it is, but as a total replacement for physical media, absolutely not.  You can have your 25 million tracks. I'll take record stores (and record shows) back any day: The anticipation of a new release from your favorite band, the journey there and back with a car load of friends all discussing music; the fun of the hunt; the instore experience, the surprise of finding a rare collectable or something you'd never seen before or something you never even knew existed; the now playing selection that you've never heard that sparks an entirely new genre of music for you; the return home to open and listen and read and even smell the physical media; to see if the packaging is elaborate or unique or the CD has cool graphics; the proud feeling of growing your collection (like being a good parent to a child); the excitement of having some thing new and tangible(like buying a new car); the fun factor of you and your friends having different collections and each being "experts" in their respective fields (like I'm the Led Zeppelin guy and Boomzilla is the rare classical guy and someone else is the Jazz guy etc. I'm sure there is more I could mention if I took time to actually think about it (these things popped up immediately in my mind). All that joy and fun of those experiences are gone thanks to Amazon and streaming services. Even if they are more convenient (which contrary to what you think is NOT the case much of the time), I'll take the old school way every time I can get it. You can have your 25 million tracks. What I find truly annoying is the typical arrogance employed by most of the streamers and downloaders of the world. Most act like it is the ONLY way, and it the GREATEST way, and anyone not doing it are total old fart idiots. Like there is something wrong with people not wanting to do it. It's like early morning risers who have some sort of superiority complex over people who like to sleep in and stay up later. Or runners who hold their noses up because running is the greatest form of exercise (what other group of people feel the need to brag how far they can run by putting 13.1 and 26.2 stickers on the backs of their cars?). Or iPhone people. Nuff said there. These people all seem to think they have some sort of aristocratic right, as if they are above the rest of the world, and everyone else should follow them or die. I'm not sure where it comes from but it's there none the less. I say "stick it!"  |
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Post by DYohn on Jan 8, 2015 10:37:00 GMT -5
I use JRiver in addition to iTunes, but I prefer the UI of iTunes probably because I've just used it longer. The one thing that both do that drives me mad is classifying an album as "Various Artists" if track band names vary (iTunes does this much more readily than JRiver.) For example, if a track is listed as "Band Name featuring Guest Artist" the CD is suddenly a Various Artist compilation. This drives me batty. I don't really care about album art although I have started adding missing covers here and there just because I can.
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Post by audiobill on Jan 8, 2015 11:00:48 GMT -5
Not at all concerned about the future of streaming audio......no question we're headed there and fast As long as some form of physical media still exists, I have no problem with this. But if it FORCES physical media to totally go away, then that will suck for me and a crap load of other people. And let me tell you, I find steaming/downloading all utterly inconvenient. You find it convenient, cool. But I don't. It has it's place and time when it is, but as a total replacement for physical media, absolutely not. You can have your 25 million tracks. I'll take record stores (and record shows) back any day: The anticipation of a new release from your favorite band, the journey there and back with a car load of friends all discussing music; the fun of the hunt; the instore experience, the surprise of finding a rare collectable or something you'd never seen before or something you never even knew existed; the now playing selection that you've never heard that sparks an entirely new genre of music for you; the return home to open and listen and read and even smell the physical media; to see if the packaging is elaborate or unique or the CD has cool graphics; the proud feeling of growing your collection (like being a good parent to a child); the excitement of having some thing new and tangible(like buying a new car); the fun factor of you and your friends having different collections and each being "experts" in their respective fields (like I'm the Led Zeppelin guy and Boomzilla is the rare classical guy and someone else is the Jazz guy etc. I'm sure there is more I could mention if I took time to actually think about it (these things popped up immediately in my mind). All that joy and fun of those experiences are gone thanks to Amazon and streaming services. Even if they are more convenient (which contrary to what you think is NOT the case much of the time), I'll take the old school way every time I can get it. You can have your 25 million tracks. What I find truly annoying is the typical arrogance employed by most of the streamers and downloaders of the world. Most act like it is the ONLY way, and it the GREATEST way, and anyone not doing it are total old fart idiots. Like there is something wrong with people not wanting to do it. It's like early morning risers who have some sort of superiority complex over people who like to sleep in and stay up later. Or runners who hold their noses up because running is the greatest form of exercise (what other group of people feel the need to brag how far they can run by putting 13.1 and 26.2 stickers on the backs of their cars?). Or iPhone people. Nuff said there. These people all seem to think they have some sort of aristocratic right, as if they are above the rest of the world, and everyone else should follow them or die. I'm not sure where it comes from but it's there none the less. I say "stick it!" No offense intended, just progress. It's just data, after all. Some people cling to cassettes, too..... |
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Post by Bonzo on Jan 8, 2015 11:20:40 GMT -5
None taken. in a perfect world "progress" should have something to do with improving things. Streaming and downloading don't improve on anything in my book, other than maybe having the ability to house everything you listen to in one basket. But they absolutely sacrifice so many other positive things that any improvement they might make is negated by all the downsides. Hence, not an overall improvement. Progress for the sake of progress is not progress. Ah, but it's not. In your world it is, and you like it that way. In my world it's physical and it's an experience. and there is is, that arrogance thing I was talking about. I'm sure you didn't intend to mean it that way, but it's always the same answer that streamers and downloaders give, and it's a "nose in the air looking down on others" answer. We are not clinging to anything. We simply don't like the new hassles associated with your new way, and prefer the experiences of the old way. Again, the new way is not better to us, it's just different, and in many ways it's worse. If anything it's downloaders and streamers that are being thick skulled and pig headed when they simply can't fathom why anyone would want something other than "their" way. |
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Post by audiobill on Jan 8, 2015 11:25:31 GMT -5
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Post by Loop 7 on Jan 8, 2015 11:32:26 GMT -5
My entire CD collection (about 1,000 discs) has been ripped to lossless and now sits on a dedicated Mac Mini which is backed up to a NAS. The discs are now completely unnecessary save for the rare occasion when I pull a disc out to read liner notes. I still buy new CDs (mostly used), rip them and then add to the closet of discs.
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Post by Bonzo on Jan 8, 2015 11:39:18 GMT -5
Well there are a lot of vinyl junkies out there that will tell you this chart is B.S. This chart means absolutely nothing without assigning values to the importance of each category. It assumes all things are equal. This chart is missing key points I tried to make by all the things streaming and downloading lack. Add in a line for gratification (experience) and forms of physical media go up in my book. Streamers and downloaders simply write them off as total incovenience, and I think that's where the largest difference of opinion lies. We find those attributes important, you don't. |
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Post by audiobill on Jan 8, 2015 11:45:09 GMT -5
Agree, now on to listening!
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Post by Boomzilla on Jan 8, 2015 11:50:42 GMT -5
Online streaming caters to the herd mentality. They have to to make a profit. Yet those of us with more obscure tastes are not well served by an online service specifically because they carry only "popular" items. It would be as if one were forced to shop ONLY at Wal-Mart. After all, they have the most popular products...
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Post by audiobill on Jan 8, 2015 11:53:59 GMT -5
Disagree.....much of what I listen to is jazz guitar from the '40s and '50's, hardly herd or mainstream and not simply available elsewhere. Billy Bauer, Jimmy Raney, Tal Farlow, Joe Pass, Hank Garland......not so common names these days! |
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