twism
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Post by twism on Feb 24, 2015 0:12:14 GMT -5
So when the full version is released what is the best course of action for the mic?
1. Just use the EMM that came with it?
2. Buy a UMIK-1 from Cross Spectrum?
3. Send in the EMM to Cross Spectrum to be calibrated?
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Post by socketman on Feb 24, 2015 0:28:32 GMT -5
A cal file is being supplied for the full version, but will not exactly match your mic. How important that is to you can only be decided by you.
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Post by socketman on Feb 24, 2015 0:34:52 GMT -5
I am no expert either and I am surprised Tony has not commented but he may. Your main speakers seem to be quite happy in your room which is a good thing. Your sub looks as though it could benefit from being moved around for better positioning if that is possible. If you are like me and are limited to positions and it sounds good then I wouldn't worry too much. I have never done the sub crawl but it is the most recommended way to find the best spot for the sub. I have added some room treatments which I feel really improved things so Dirac had less to deal with. Glad you are happy with your purchase. BTW which cal file did you use out of curiosity. Richard
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Post by wilburthegoose on Feb 24, 2015 7:13:56 GMT -5
socketman - I used the "out of the box" Dirac LE settings, including the calibration
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Post by nickwin on Feb 24, 2015 9:48:03 GMT -5
Is the current cal file provided by Emotive an accurate 0 degree calibration?
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Post by socketman on Feb 24, 2015 11:42:43 GMT -5
Is the current cal file provided by Emotive an accurate 0 degree calibration? Someone from Emotiva could answer that directly, what I can say is that their file is not a accurate 90deg measurement and the 0deg file is very similar to my CS 0deg calibration file. |
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Post by twism on Feb 24, 2015 12:21:31 GMT -5
A cal file is being supplied for the full version, but will not exactly match your mic. How important that is to you can only be decided by you. So I could buy the UMIK-1 from CS and use that with the Dirac Full right? I just want to be sure before I order it, I wouldn't mind having it on hand so I am ready to go when Dirac full comes out. |
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Post by socketman on Feb 24, 2015 13:04:48 GMT -5
Yup that is correct and you can mess with rew as well.
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Post by twism on Feb 24, 2015 13:08:57 GMT -5
Yup that is correct and you can mess with rew as well. So I have an OmniMic V2 which I think comes with the Dayton Audio UMM-6. I was also provided a calibration file for the mic. I know the mic can be used with REW so I would assume that I can use it with Dirac Full. I kind of forgot I had that mic. |
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Post by geebo on Feb 24, 2015 14:14:16 GMT -5
Yup that is correct and you can mess with rew as well. So I have an OmniMic V2 which I think comes with the Dayton Audio UMM-6. I was also provided a calibration file for the mic. I know the mic can be used with REW so I would assume that I can use it with Dirac Full. I kind of forgot I had that mic. I used my OmniMic with the Dirac trial version so I don't see why it wouldn't work with Emotiva/Dirac full. |
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Post by nickwin on Feb 24, 2015 14:20:58 GMT -5
A cal file is being supplied for the full version, but will not exactly match your mic. How important that is to you can only be decided by you. So if you want to get the most accurate results with Dirac full it sounds like a CS calibrated UMIK is the way to go? |
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Post by socketman on Feb 24, 2015 15:27:18 GMT -5
Yes if it is important to you to get down to the Nth degree then that is about as close to perfect measurement you can get within a reasonable budget. Using the EMM-1 with Emotiva's mic I honestly doubt anyone with normal listening skills could hear the difference unless there was something seriously wrong with the mic. Treating the room before Dirac is the best solution , throw rugs on hardwood floors , wall hangings a bookshelf for diffusion etc goes a long way , Dirac is not the silver bullet (not the Budweiser kind LOL )
This is the stuff the floats around in my headspace. You have to know what your after before you can go looking for it. What is missing or what is there too much of, few people actually like a flat response. I am going to do some more reading over at HTS about house curves, though right now I really like how my system sounds.
Richard
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Post by htguy on Feb 24, 2015 16:31:20 GMT -5
A cal file is being supplied for the full version, but will not exactly match your mic. How important that is to you can only be decided by you. So I could buy the UMIK-1 from CS and use that with the Dirac Full right? I just want to be sure before I order it, I wouldn't mind having it on hand so I am ready to go when Dirac full comes out. So maybe if one is using the EMM-1 mic maybe they should just point it at the center channel. Centre Channel should then be accurate but rest will be somewhat off. Might be worth a try considering most information comes from the centre channel. Alternatively we should get a better file wit DIRAC full or even using the UMIK-1 with DIRAC full. |
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Post by khollister on Feb 24, 2015 16:43:55 GMT -5
A cal file is being supplied for the full version, but will not exactly match your mic. How important that is to you can only be decided by you. So if you want to get the most accurate results with Dirac full it sounds like a CS calibrated UMIK is the way to go? Assuming you do not already have a decent mic preamp, a CSL calibrated UMIK is the easiest, cheapest route. Bear in mind that the supply of UMIK-1's varies as does Herb's backlog, so the mic's are not always available to order. They are in stock right now, so I would pull the trigger if you want one. Herb does offer more advanced calibrations for the Dayton EMM-6 (requires a mic preamp), but the additional measurements (polar response and noise floor) don't really add anything useful for Dirac. |
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Post by khollister on Feb 24, 2015 16:47:26 GMT -5
So I could buy the UMIK-1 from CS and use that with the Dirac Full right? I just want to be sure before I order it, I wouldn't mind having it on hand so I am ready to go when Dirac full comes out. So maybe if one is using the EMM-1 mic maybe they should just point it at the center channel. Centre Channel should then be accurate but rest will be somewhat off. Might be worth a try considering most information comes from the centre channel. Alternatively we should get a better file wit DIRAC full or even using the UMIK-1 with DIRAC full. NO, NO, NO, NO, NO!  The mic needs to point up so you get a uniform response from all speakers. Emotiva has stated on here that along with the Dirac Full upgrade will come a new 90 degree calibration file for the EMM-1 microphones. |
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Post by Lsc on Feb 24, 2015 17:37:51 GMT -5
So maybe if one is using the EMM-1 mic maybe they should just point it at the center channel. Centre Channel should then be accurate but rest will be somewhat off. Might be worth a try considering most information comes from the centre channel. Alternatively we should get a better file wit DIRAC full or even using the UMIK-1 with DIRAC full. NO, NO, NO, NO, NO! The mic needs to point up so you get a uniform response from all speakers. Emotiva has stated on here that along with the Dirac Full upgrade will come a new 90 degree calibration file for the EMM-1 microphones. And since it's not a custom calibration file for each individual mic, Socketman's 90 degree off-axis file is as close to what Emotiva will provide so give that a try. The EMM-1 mic is all we need btw. Unless you have the Wilson's or Focal Grande Utopia a small variation in mic calibration is nothing to be concerned about. I even used REW with the EMM-1 and Socketmans calibration file and it worked great. Post Dirac, it's crazy how flat the response curve is. And I really like flat frequency response. It's how my ears were trained as a kid . |
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Post by socketman on Feb 24, 2015 18:03:43 GMT -5
The EMM-1 is a very good microphone and it tracks perfectly to my Umik-1 so there is no reason to buy another mic. I guarantee you will not gain anything by buying another microphone. Emotiva checks each mic for consistency within their own chosen tolerances before it leaves the warehouse. The only thing open for debate is the original cal file . Just use my free CS Cal file or the new EMo one and you will be golden.
Richard
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Post by thompson12 on Feb 24, 2015 18:22:36 GMT -5
Where can the new EMO CAL file be found?
Mitch
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Post by multicore on Feb 24, 2015 19:08:43 GMT -5
Where can the new EMO CAL file be found? Mitch Emotiva stated it will come with the full version. |
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Post by socketman on Feb 24, 2015 19:13:08 GMT -5
Given the quality of Herb Singletons service I doubt the EMo file will be much different. My mic was calibrated the same day Herbs mic came back from being serviced from the manufacturer. That should be the only difference between the 2 files is how accurate the base mic is that the EMM-1 is being calibrated against.
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