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Post by thompson12 on Mar 29, 2015 16:06:22 GMT -5
Mitch is this the EMo cal file that comes with Dirac Full. Yes EMO cal from Dirac full, I uninstalled Both versions then re-installed Dirac live so there would be no problems with file conflicts or anything else Mitch |
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Post by petes on Mar 29, 2015 16:44:00 GMT -5
Hi Mitch Curious as to which CS cal file you used - 90 degree I guess. Any view of running it at 0 degree with the appropriate cal file - just curious as to the differences. Ta Pete S |
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Post by htguy on Mar 29, 2015 20:38:29 GMT -5
So with the new DIRAC full are we getting a different calibration file for our Emotiva mics? Is the Emotiva calibration file inside our Emotiva mics or is it in the software?
Or is the calibration mic file the sames as when we had DIRAC LE and DIRAC full just interprets/reads the results differently?
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Post by socketman on Mar 29, 2015 20:40:27 GMT -5
Its a new file built into Dirac Live
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Post by foggy1956 on Mar 29, 2015 20:44:58 GMT -5
Its a new file built into Dirac Live Was the old file broke? |
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Post by htguy on Mar 29, 2015 20:45:43 GMT -5
Its a new file built into Dirac Live So is the mic calibration file in DIRAC Full a different file then what we had in DIRAC LE or the same? |
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Post by Lsc on Mar 29, 2015 20:46:11 GMT -5
Just had my buddy send me the file so I can rerun Dirac LE with that calibration file.
We shall see how it sounds...if it ever finishes uploading.
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Post by socketman on Mar 29, 2015 20:49:19 GMT -5
Its a new file built into Dirac Live So is the mic calibration file in DIRAC Full a different file then what we had in DIRAC LE or the same? yes, different |
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Post by socketman on Mar 29, 2015 20:50:45 GMT -5
Its a new file built into Dirac Live Was the old file broke? yes and no  |
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Post by socketman on Mar 29, 2015 20:52:19 GMT -5
Just had my buddy send me the file so I can rerun Dirac LE with that calibration file. We shall see how it sounds...if it ever finishes uploading. Its only 20kb's , are you using a ham radio to send it LOL |
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Post by thompson12 on Mar 29, 2015 21:24:03 GMT -5
Hi Mitch Curious as to which CS cal file you used - 90 degree I guess. Any view of running it at 0 degree with the appropriate cal file - just curious as to the differences. Ta Pete S I used Socketmans CS cal file Mitch |
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Post by Lsc on Mar 29, 2015 21:44:15 GMT -5
Just had my buddy send me the file so I can rerun Dirac LE with that calibration file. We shall see how it sounds...if it ever finishes uploading. Its only 20kb's , are you using a ham radio to send it LOL That's my question...hahaha. I didn't plug my Ethernet cable prior to the upload, my little trick, so it took 15 long min. I love the REW upload off of the usb stick...takes 10 seconds. But I don't need either one of those presets 1 & 2. I'm hoping for 4 Dirac presets and zero REW presets. It's no contest as to what sounds better. It's a lot louder now..,I can't tell if it sounds materially any different than your file though. Man it's tough for me to spring for the full version bc it sounds so good right now. Im afraid it's gonna be a waste of $99. |
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Post by rocky500 on Mar 29, 2015 21:55:33 GMT -5
Are all your graphs in the same order in each post. If so, the Umik graphs look like they came from a different room . That is crazy, I may have to buy dirac full now. DAMN YOU If you mean mine, No not in order. In the 2nd lot of older scans with the math Cal, I left off the front speakers (now different) and the Sub as I moved it forward about 18 inches. So only put the old graphs for Center (hasn't moved) and surround speakers. (there bolted to the wall and can't move) EDit: Actually now they are in order to each other and all graphs included. |
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Post by socketman on Mar 29, 2015 23:05:20 GMT -5
Its only 20kb's , are you using a ham radio to send it LOL That's my question...hahaha. I didn't plug my Ethernet cable prior to the upload, my little trick, so it took 15 long min. I love the REW upload off of the usb stick...takes 10 seconds. But I don't need either one of those presets 1 & 2. I'm hoping for 4 Dirac presets and zero REW presets. It's no contest as to what sounds better. It's a lot louder now..,I can't tell if it sounds materially any different than your file though. Man it's tough for me to spring for the full version bc it sounds so good right now. Im afraid it's gonna be a waste of $99. I was thinking the same thing on Friday . I made it till sunday night then I pulled the trigger, I want to play with it lol. Firmware 3.0 has enhanced the after dirac volume level on its own so I am not sure it was the file . Richard |
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Post by rswood on Mar 30, 2015 8:40:20 GMT -5
Its only 20kb's , are you using a ham radio to send it LOL That's my question...hahaha. I didn't plug my Ethernet cable prior to the upload, my little trick, so it took 15 long min. I love the REW upload off of the usb stick...takes 10 seconds. But I don't need either one of those presets 1 & 2. I'm hoping for 4 Dirac presets and zero REW presets. It's no contest as to what sounds better. It's a lot louder now..,I can't tell if it sounds materially any different than your file though. Man it's tough for me to spring for the full version bc it sounds so good right now. Im afraid it's gonna be a waste of $99. I have run the full Dirac with the new file, I manipulated the filters bringing in the curtains where frequencies where not needed changed the curve on the subwoofers to my liking, and it sounds great. I have been using Socketmans file and I have it saved so I can go back to it if I choose. I am not sure if it is because I just got a better mic placement but I like the new Dirac cal file and ultimately it is my best sounding filter to date, and I have run Dirac at least two dozen times. |
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Post by XTC on Mar 30, 2015 10:16:17 GMT -5
So many moving parts here. Different cal files, mics, etc. It's hard to know what's making the differences people are hearing. After trying about a dozen different mic positions and the 3 different cal files I gave up on Dirac LE and returned to using my Preset 1. After I updated to FW 3.0 I loaded my most preferred old Dirac LE filter on a lark. The difference is amazing. No new mic or cal file, just a previously saved Dirac LE project. It makes me wonder if there was an issue with FW 2.0 when it came out or maybe my install was a little off. I guess I'll have to break out the mic and run some more sweeps with the different cal files and see if I can make it better yet before deciding about buying Dirac Full.
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Post by socketman on Mar 30, 2015 12:56:49 GMT -5
Keith mentioned that in 3.0 that the after dirac levels would be more in line with what you heard pre Dirac and I can say that this was true for me. I reran Dirac Le after 3.0 and all my levels were much more consistent after running Dirac. Louder is typically considered better by all listeners which is why we have double blind tests with levels matched extremely close.
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Post by usxplong on Mar 30, 2015 13:08:57 GMT -5
My upper midrange with Dirac LE and Full is shrilling.
I have taking many measurements with Emo's cal file & Tony's cal files and tweaked the filters in the full version but still I don't like the upper midrange sound.
I wonder if it has something to do with the Emo's mic I have.
When the singer goes louder the midrange get very thin and shrilling.
Any idea is appreciated.
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Post by KeithL on Mar 30, 2015 13:41:29 GMT -5
I'm kind of wondering about the way you worded that...... You say "when the singer gets loud they get thin and shrill". Should we imply from your statement that it's ONLY shrill when it's loud? The sensitivity of our ears to different frequencies varies with loudness, so music will definitely sound different when you listen at different levels. This means that you might not be able to get it to sound the way you want it to at all listening levels. (Our brains normally compensate for this to a degree, and loudness compensation helps at very low listening levels.) However, with the Full version of Dirac, you should be able to set any Target Curve you like to make things sound the way you want at any particular listening level. However, if someone were simply to tell me that their speakers sounded "shrill and screechy" when they played them loud, my first reaction would be to suspect that the midrange drivers in their speakers were simply distorting when turned up too loud - which isn't at all uncommon. Some speakers are a little harsh at even normal volume levels, and it gets worse as you play them louder, while others that sound just fine at normal levels start to sound nasty only when you overdrive them. If this is what's happening, then there's not much you can do with ANY kind of room correction to fix it. (You could make it less obvious by putting a strategic dip in the midrange, but that's a Band-Aid fix at best.) My upper midrange with Dirac LE and Full is shrilling. I have taking many measurements with Emo's cal file & Tony's cal files and tweaked the filters in the full version but still I don't like the upper midrange sound. I wonder if it has something to do with the Emo's mic I have. When the singer goes louder the midrange get very thin and shrilling. Any idea is appreciated. |
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Post by usxplong on Mar 30, 2015 13:50:16 GMT -5
I'm kind of wondering about the way you worded that...... You say "when the singer gets loud they get thin and shrill". Should we imply from your statement that it's ONLY shrill when it's loud? The sensitivity of our ears to different frequencies varies with loudness, so music will definitely sound different when you listen at different levels. This means that you might not be able to get it to sound the way you want it to at all listening levels. (Our brains normally compensate for this to a degree, and loudness compensation helps at very low listening levels.) However, with the Full version of Dirac, you should be able to set any Target Curve you like to make things sound the way you want at any particular listening level. However, if someone were simply to tell me that their speakers sounded "shrill and screechy" when they played them loud, my first reaction would be to suspect that the midrange drivers in their speakers were simply distorting when turned up too loud - which isn't at all uncommon. Some speakers are a little harsh at even normal volume levels, and it gets worse as you play them louder, while others that sound just fine at normal levels start to sound nasty only when you overdrive them. If this is what's happening, then there's not much you can do with ANY kind of room correction to fix it. (You could make it less obvious by putting a strategic dip in the midrange, but that's a Band-Aid fix at best.) My upper midrange with Dirac LE and Full is shrilling. I have taking many measurements with Emo's cal file & Tony's cal files and tweaked the filters in the full version but still I don't like the upper midrange sound. I wonder if it has something to do with the Emo's mic I have. When the singer goes louder the midrange get very thin and shrilling. Any idea is appreciated. Thanks Keith. My speakers play fine with my preset 1 filters but it is not as clear as Dirac. But Dirac gives me a shrilling sound at moderate volume (about 82db) in the upper midrange and some musical instruments are so thin that it sounds almost like a mono AM radio. |
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