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Post by dkami712 on Mar 30, 2015 13:00:06 GMT -5
Update from Big Dan, Check your e-mail box! Purchase the XMC-1 before May 1 2015 or before they run out of stock to get the $1999.00 price. just wanted to point this new verbiage out. Nick I noticed that as well. My plans to wait after Axpona have now changed... |
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Post by novisnick on Mar 30, 2015 13:05:06 GMT -5
Update from Big Dan, Check your e-mail box! Purchase the XMC-1 before May 1 2015 or before they run out of stock to get the $1999.00 price. just wanted to point this new verbiage out. Nick I noticed that as well. My plans to wait after Axpona have now changed... To me it begs the question, besides the price ? What else is changing with the XMC-1?    |
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Post by dkami712 on Mar 30, 2015 13:09:29 GMT -5
I noticed that as well. My plans to wait after Axpona have now changed... To me it begs the question, besides the price ? What else is changing with the XMC-1? Honestly I think it, in part, has to do with the shipping issues on the West coast right now. In the podcast they mentioned how a container that left BEFORE Christmas just recently showed up. I realize the XMC is made in Franklin but not all of the components are from here. Its just my speculations but they may running out of parts to make new XMC's and supply < demand = higher price. Of course this is in addition to the other reasons Dan has expressed already. |
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Post by stiehl11 on Mar 30, 2015 15:28:51 GMT -5
To me it begs the question, besides the price ? What else is changing with the XMC-1? Honestly I think it, in part, has to do with the shipping issues on the West coast right now. In the podcast they mentioned how a container that left BEFORE Christmas just recently showed up. I realize the XMC is made in Franklin but not all of the components are from here. Its just my speculations but they may running out of parts to make new XMC's and supply < demand = higher price. Of course this is in addition to the other reasons Dan has expressed already. The XMC-1 is assembled in Franklin, TN. The boards are soldered in CA. |
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Post by Chris on Mar 30, 2015 16:07:45 GMT -5
I will have to look into this podcast. However, I'm glad i just ordered my XMC-1 today then.  Too bad they cant send it to me directly from CA where I already live. Give me an additional 20% discount and ill assemble it  |
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Post by klinemj on Mar 30, 2015 16:11:38 GMT -5
I got the email and ordered today...just in case! I was going to wait two weeks because I will be busy,but why take the chance?
Mark
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Post by Mike Ronesia on Mar 30, 2015 16:23:39 GMT -5
Honestly I think it, in part, has to do with the shipping issues on the West coast right now. In the podcast they mentioned how a container that left BEFORE Christmas just recently showed up. I realize the XMC is made in Franklin but not all of the components are from here. Its just my speculations but they may running out of parts to make new XMC's and supply < demand = higher price. Of course this is in addition to the other reasons Dan has expressed already. The XMC-1 is assembled in Franklin, TN. The boards are soldered in CA. I thought Dan said the covers were still coming from China. It only takes one part, like the feet to hold up production. Cheers Mark |
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Post by MukAudio on Mar 30, 2015 16:50:08 GMT -5
I went ahead and ordered mine as well, using my 40% off from the LMC-1 days. Now I have a preamp and a prepro to unload but that's another story for another thread.  Mark |
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Post by jw on Apr 17, 2015 17:40:24 GMT -5
So is aluminum front face which I told are made in china I believe ,since I was sent to 2 replacements that were sent and (both),units with marks on them and was force to keep one of them. Some quality control issues I guess.
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Post by teaman on Apr 17, 2015 17:47:15 GMT -5
That sucks jw. I threw it out there that my wife owns a world class machine shop and Emotiva could produce the face plates right here in the US of A!
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Post by jw on Apr 17, 2015 20:20:36 GMT -5
Sick indeed ,considering the one I originally bought was good ,then it became a brick during a Firmware update.
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Post by amplifieroverkill on Apr 21, 2015 8:25:36 GMT -5
My concern with upgrades on the XMC-1 lies in DTS:X. DTS:X has just been introduced and facts are becoming clearer about the involvement of it in the future of cinema and home theater. Unlike atmos, DTS:X will scale to any speaker configuration and will be able to be adopted on current 5.1 and 7.1 systems, and height channels only if you want and after you tell it your speaker configuration, it scales the sound data to your setup. The facts that DTS:x is open to developers with no licensing fees and that it will be the same mix for theaters and home theater gear alike, make me believe that it will be widely adopted in the near future. Audioholics has a nice 30 min video on the ins and outs as they saw at a demonstration at DTS headquarters. dTS headphone x sounds impressive as well.
So back to my actual concern, if films and bluerays adopt this DTS:x codec and DTS MA becomes the forgotten and obsolete codec that no newer movies will have anymore, then my XMC will sound awesome only for the older back catalog of movies. Do I care about height or ceiling channels? no. Is a 7.2 channel processor all I'll ever need or want? Probably more than likely. But my question is, if this DTS:x becomes the newest most widely used format, and DTS MA becomes the next dead format, will our older DTS MA only processors (ie XMC-1 owners) be able to interpret the DTS:X signal to produce DTS MA equivalent sound from future titles? If so, then great, I'm a happy camper and the XMC is all I need and worth it. However, if movies start using DTS:x instead of DTS MA, and we are stuck with "inferior to master audio" sound because our XMC won't do DTS:x, that is a game changer and would prompt me to return my XMC within the 30 days ( just received yesterday will hook up this weekend).
I hope either big Dan or someone from Emo can comment on this as I know I'm not the only one with this concern. IMO, I think DTS:x has a legitimately excellent shot of becoming the dominant format replacing master audio for all surround sound speaker formats including standard 5.1 and 7.1... This being said, I think we all understand the XMC is not intended to be upgradable with additional channels as atmos needs, but DTS:X doesn't need additional channels, and therefore, I am hopeful that Emo will strongly consider incorporating DTS:x into the XMC with a future upgrade. It sounds like that is not currently their intention and I truly urge them to reconsider. If they can verify wether or not that the processor on the XMC would be up to snuff to decode DTS:x for its existing 7.2 channels would be wonderful to ease some of these questions. Also, unlike atmos, DTS:X could theoretically use your 7.2 as a 5.2.2 system and incorporate height channels wherever you want them instead of the rear 2 channels of 7.1. Anyways, those are my thoughts and concerns. I hope someone at Emo with knowledge of such things can chime in and shine some light.
Basically, I just want to hear that even newer released titles that are going to DTS:x will still be able to play in Master audio across our XMC-1s. That would be enough for me, but it'd be even better if our XMC-1s get upgraded to DTS:x so that it can be used on our standard 5.2 or 7.2 setups. I'd have a hard time believing that the processor in the xMC would be inadequate to do the DTS:x. I just hope that the marketing decision at Emo isn't made to not incorporate DTS:X to promote sales for people to upgrade to the XMR. The line of thinking,....why allow an upgrade to DTS:X in the XMC to possibly reduce sales of the XMR. That would be my fear, and this is the only issue that I could see potentially sending my XMC-1 back for. I hope that this would not be the Emo way, as I am very fond of their products and the value they represent and of their company philosophy as a whole. I commend Dan and his team for the job they've done making this company not only relevant, but competitive with the mainstay names in high end audio.
My only legitimate complaint with this company is that I was lead to believe that a firmware update to my sherbourn pt 7030 was in the works at the time I purchased it to eradicate the lengthy HDMI handshake issues or whatever it is that causes that insufferable codec delay on these units. Then it went by the wayside as emotiva consumed sherbourn into being no more and all focus went to XMC development,, many of us were lead to believe that a refined firmware update would be available in the future for sherbourns $1800 preamp. I don't recall if there was a formal comment or promise on that from the company or if it was all just forum talk, but we were expecting that firmware update that would certainly be possible to use to fix several of the complaints of that unit. Having said that, I am extremely pleased with the SQ and performance of my sherbourn, minus the common complaints associated with this model. Anyways, I do hope that Emo addresses the big questions surrounding the XMC and DTS:x as these new facts are coming to light with the release oF DTS:x.
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Post by viper6 on Apr 21, 2015 8:42:10 GMT -5
I am quite sure that somewhere in the press releases about DTS:X (from DTS) was the statement (I am paraphrasing) that DTS:X will include a "core" of DTS MA that can be decoded by legacy processors not capable of decoding DTA:X, or something functionally equivalent to that. Just like the way DTS MA includes a core of DTS that todays legacy processors can decode.
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Post by amplifieroverkill on Apr 21, 2015 8:49:21 GMT -5
I believe DTS:x will have a significant impact on the industry. I do not feel the same way at all about atmos or the other codec out there... aura 3d is it? I Think atmos and the other one will be eclipsed into immediate irrelevance as soon as DTS:x starts to make its benefits known. Everything about it that I know seems to be far superior to anything else, and the fact that producers will have to master their sound only once for cinema and home theater applications just reinforces the point. Just think of the cost savings to movie makers and the impact that will have on their decision to go with atmos or DTS:x. Think of the allure to home theater people that they can put speakers wherever they want in any quantity in their imperfect rooms and DTS:x will scale the sound to image according to their specific speaker placement. This all seems to be a big game changer with real impact potential for the entire industry. I say this meaning movies, because when it comes to music, I don't think this is relevant. I'm sure the XMC is all anyone will ever need, upgradable or not, as far as music is concerned. But even the potential of surround imaging in DTS headphone X should be enough to warrant an upgrade to DTS:x on the XMC for anyone using the headphone jack. Forget atmos, it doesn't make sense for the XMC, but DTS:X.... It doesn't make sense Not to IMHO.
Please Emotiva, please please please, kicking my feet like a little girl having a tantrum PLEASE, give us DTS:x for our XMC-1s
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Post by amplifieroverkill on Apr 21, 2015 8:51:12 GMT -5
I am quite sure that somewhere in the press releases about DTS:X (from DTS) was the statement (I am paraphrasing) that DTS:X will include a "core" of DTS MA that can be decoded by legacy processors not capable of decoding DTA:X, or something functionally equivalent to that. Just like the way DTS MA includes a core of DTS that todays legacy processors can decode. Ok, that is wonderful, I did not catch that but that would quiet some of my concern for a bit. I'm getting excited here, you'll have to forgive me. Lol |
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Post by XTC on Apr 21, 2015 9:29:57 GMT -5
My concern with upgrades on the XMC-1 lies in DTS:X. DTS:X has just been introduced and facts are becoming clearer about the involvement of it in the future of cinema and home theater... ...So back to my actual concern, if films and bluerays adopt this DTS:x codec and DTS MA becomes the forgotten and obsolete codec that no newer movies will have anymore, then my XMC will sound awesome only for the older back catalog of movies. I do not share your concern, at least not for the next 5-10 years, maybe longer. I would not expect disc manufacturers to discontinue using DTS MA with all the disc players and processors out there that use it. While people in the hobby always want the latest and greatest, the vast majority of consumers only replace their gear as needed. To loose sales by releasing titles that only include DTS-X is not going to happen anytime soon. Your decision about returning your XMC-1 has to with how much you want the new technology and are willing to wait for the manufacturers to produce something you're going to like. An upgrade to the XMC-1 might be in the works or not, but if I wanted DTS-X, I would look for something that was designed with that in mind, not an upgrade of my current processor. |
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Post by viper6 on Apr 21, 2015 9:40:01 GMT -5
I believe DTS:x will have a significant impact on the industry. I do not feel the same way at all about atmos or the other codec out there... aura 3d is it? I Think atmos and the other one will be eclipsed into immediate irrelevance as soon as DTS:x starts to make its benefits known. Everything about it that I know seems to be far superior to anything else, and the fact that producers will have to master their sound only once for cinema and home theater applications just reinforces the point. Just think of the cost savings to movie makers and the impact that will have on their decision to go with atmos or DTS:x. Think of the allure to home theater people that they can put speakers wherever they want in any quantity in their imperfect rooms and DTS:x will scale the sound to image according to their specific speaker placement. This all seems to be a big game changer with real impact potential for the entire industry. I say this meaning movies, because when it comes to music, I don't think this is relevant. I'm sure the XMC is all anyone will ever need, upgradable or not, as far as music is concerned. But even the potential of surround imaging in DTS headphone X should be enough to warrant an upgrade to DTS:x on the XMC for anyone using the headphone jack. Forget atmos, it doesn't make sense for the XMC, but DTS:X.... It doesn't make sense Not to IMHO. Please Emotiva, please please please, kicking my feet like a little girl having a tantrum PLEASE, give us DTS:x for our XMC-1s I suspect that the implementation (or not) of DTS:X on the XMC-1 will hinge on the processing power required to decode DTS:X in the home theater environment WITHOUT dedicated ceiling speakers, and whether or not the XMC-1 has the chops. Remember, DTS:X is literally at the bleeding edge right now and the XMC-1 design was finalized at LEAST a year ago, and likely much earlier than that. On the other hand, if the modularity of the XMC-1 extends to the required processor (I don't know if that means the DSP chips, or the main processor), an upgrade might make DTS:X possible if the current system isn't up to DTS:X requirements. |
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Post by pletwals on Apr 21, 2015 10:04:26 GMT -5
I would be very surprised if DTS:X is ever implemented in the current XMC-1.
How would the XMC-1 deal with elevated speakers anyway, even if there are only 2 in a 5.2.2 set? And using DTS:X in a regular 7.2 set would be rather pointless IMO.
XMR-1 is what we need!!
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Post by 405x5 on Apr 21, 2015 10:14:37 GMT -5
Get the XMC now and enjoy it!
Let the industry duke it out for a while (and it will be a long while) before, if ever, it makes sense to bring this format home.
Look at how Dolby already shot themselves in the foot with those junk, improperly designed, "modules" meant to bounce stuff off the ceiling and compromise the audio quality of the mains that many of us spent years getting a hold of (the right ones). No real warning to unsuspecting consumers about the pitfalls of them, not the least of which is their ineffectiveness with unusually high ceilings. This is just something Dolby did as a "jump ahead of the competition" marketing strategy.
Even at the theaters (if you can find one) it would be interesting to take a poll from exiting theatergoers to get the "Atmos" impression from them. Betcha most who went in not knowing about what was going on with the sound would have not a clue even what you were talking about.
Don't get me started on the lack of source material.....the list is endless.
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Post by diablo561 on Apr 21, 2015 11:09:08 GMT -5
From what I understand DTS-x is backwards compatible with DTS-MA,so unless your going to add height channels, you'll still have the same 5.1 or 7.1 playback capability. The one feature that I would like to see is DTS Headphone X. This is software based and allows an immersive experience through headphones.
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