XMR-1

[emotivastef2]

Not much XMR-1 talk lately...I feel a bit disappointed, I would really like to upgrade to 9.X.4 (or more) without having to buy a 40000$+ device...

[rechead]

You aren't the only one. If there was anything concrete I would hold off but I plan on going immersive next month.

[lesliew]

I hear ya, just purchased 2 * MiniDSP DDRC-88A's for Dirac to go with my Denon 7200WA can't hold out for the XMR-1 any longer. A couple of channels short of the XMR-1 but at least the Denon sounds nearly as good as the XMC-1 and still got in under $5K

[rhale64]

I am holding out folks. I want the xmr to have mqa also.

[JKCashin]

MQA?

[stiehl11]

It's another compression codec for streaming hi-rez files that's been around for awhile but hasn't had much traction. As long as a unit has the processing power to decode it, it should play on any device. All that should be needed is a firmware update to any device.

[rhale64]

Master Quality Authenticated. Its by Meridian. Check it out.

[JKCashin]

OK thanks all

[JKCashin]

OK, I read a few articles on MQA... and I don't really understand what it's supposed to do (I am a software engineer, with a background in data transmission, error correction, compression, etc.). After reading, it's unclear to me if it's lossless or not... some articles say the data is delivered in a lossless format, so by that data point, if it does compression as well as the articles suggest than it's very high compression with the benefit of being lossless. But other articles make no mention of it being lossless, or worse, mention it as being a way to capture and encode what would be the perceptible lost information normally associated with similar compression technologies that are not lossless.

So, I'm still kind of lost as to what it is!

[JKCashin]

Or should I say I am at a loss to explain

(Insert Sheldon Cooper laugh here)

[rhale64]

Yes I am also at a loss to explain. Lol All I know is everyone that has heard it in action says it works. I guess what it does is analyze the original signal. Then puts back information that was lost when recorded. All in a smaller packet size.

I am thinking it could be done with even a cd or bluray. This compression or not compression scheme could make all our data files smaller. Lol. Gosh it is hard to figure out. All I know is it must work. And to work its best it needs all phases of input to output to be able to send-decode it. It will still have a benefit even if one of the chain is broken but not as well. The new Mytec dac is the first stand alone dac to have implemented it.

[amaheshw]

Upon scanning this thread today after a one-month absence, there are a number of posts expressing consternation about the demise of the XPR amps and a purported lack of replacement line and I just wanted to set the record straight: At CES, someone from Emo announced that there WILL be a direct replacement for the XPR launching soon. It will be a 500W per channel, fully balanced, max 3 channels per chassis line of amps. Lonnie has been quoted somewhere referring to the amp modules as "double wide" in explaining that they will be fully balanced (i.e., quad differential). Wish I had the URLs to share, but Googling Emotiva Lonnie and "double wide" should bring it up. Hopefully this quells the anxiety re the XPR.

On the XMR, however, given Dan's recent clarification that this model exists only in theory, I am not holding my breath. Outlaw is closer to commercializing its new Atmos/DTS processor. The latest update last month suggests that it might be a year away. But at least it exists physically, not just in concept.

[AudioHTIT]

Mar 3, 2016 12:04:26 GMT -5 amaheshw said:

Upon scanning this thread today after a one-month absence, there are a number of posts expressing consternation about the demise of the XPR amps and a purported lack of replacement line and I just wanted to set the record straight: At CES, someone from Emo announced that there WILL be a direct replacement for the XPR launching soon. It will be a 500W per channel, fully balanced, max 3 channels per chassis line of amps. Lonnie has been quoted somewhere referring to the amp modules as "double wide" in explaining that they will be fully balanced (i.e., quad differential). Wish I had the URLs to share, but Googling Emotiva Lonnie and "double wide" should bring it up. Hopefully this quells the anxiety re the XPR.

On the XMR, however, given Dan's recent clarification that this model exists only in theory, I am not holding my breath. Outlaw is closer to commercializing its new Atmos/DTS processor. The latest update last month suggests that it might be a year away. But at least it exists physically, not just in concept.

It sounds like you're describing the double wide fully balanced modules which have been described for the new XPA G3 series. Did anyone from Emotiva actually say there would be a new modular XPR series, possibly a G2? I haven't heard of anything that would replace the XPR series, but might expect there's something on the table as a companion should the XMR-1 see the light of day.

[amaheshw]

[/quote]It sounds like you're describing the double wide fully balanced modules which have been described for the new XPA G3 series. Did anyone from Emotiva actually say there would be a new modular XPR series, possibly a G2? I haven't heard of anything that would replace the XPR series, but might expect there's something on the table as a companion should the XMR-1 see the light of day. [/quote]


Yes that is exactly what I am referring to. I suspect Emo will re-brand the double-wide variant of the Gen 3 XPA as the XPR. It would be confusing to have two different variants both branded "XPA."

[garbulky]

Mar 4, 2016 16:18:57 GMT -5 amaheshw said:

It sounds like you're describing the double wide fully balanced modules which have been described for the new XPA G3 series. Did anyone from Emotiva actually say there would be a new modular XPR series, possibly a G2? I haven't heard of anything that would replace the XPR series, but might expect there's something on the table as a companion should the XMR-1 see the light of day.

Yes that is exactly what I am referring to. I suspect Emo will re-brand the double-wide variant of the Gen 3 XPA as the XPR. It would be confusing to have two different variants both branded "XPA." [/quote]
Where did you hear they were fully balanced? In all of the literature I read it looked like there was no mention of fully balanced, class A or toroidal transformers. Instead there was mention of XPR circuitry and switching power supplies (which are supposed to weigh less).

[cwt]

[quote author="garbulky" source="/post/803098/thread" timestamp="1457130837Where did you hear they were fully balanced? In all of the literature I read it looked like there was no mention of fully balanced, class A or toroidal transformers. Instead there was mention of XPR circuitry and switching power supplies (which are supposed to weigh less). [/quote]
I found this vvv ; it looks like its all in the nomenclature as to what series are named what ; as the modules are interchangeable [xpa at the moment] . Its very clever to have the hi end dual differential balanced modules able to be placed in the chassis that also takes the standard dual differential unbalanced modules :)Thats how I look at it at least.

www.audioholics.com/amplifier-reviews/emotiva-xpa-generation-3-amplifiers

But what if you want a monoblock design like Emotiva’s Gen 2 XPA-1? Well, for audiophiles who want the purity of monoblocks, Emotiva will be releasing a high power, “double-wide” balanced mono-block module. The XPA Gen 3 chassis will be able to accommodate up to three double-wide modules. Each high power module will allow for an incredible +500 watts at 8 ohms. As you’ve come to expect from Emotiva both the double-wide and standard modules are stable into 2 ohm loads

[garbulky]

Mar 5, 2016 0:49:58 GMT -5 cwt said:

[quote author="garbulky" source="/post/803098/thread" timestamp="1457130837Where did you hear they were fully balanced? In all of the literature I read it looked like there was no mention of fully balanced, class A or toroidal transformers. Instead there was mention of XPR circuitry and switching power supplies (which are supposed to weigh less).

I found this vvv ; it looks like its all in the nomenclature as to what series are named what ; as the modules are interchangeable [xpa at the moment] . Its very clever to have the hi end dual differential balanced modules able to be placed in the chassis that also takes the standard dual differential unbalanced modules :)Thats how I look at it at least.

www.audioholics.com/amplifier-reviews/emotiva-xpa-generation-3-amplifiers

But what if you want a monoblock design like Emotiva’s Gen 2 XPA-1? Well, for audiophiles who want the purity of monoblocks, Emotiva will be releasing a high power, “double-wide” balanced mono-block module. The XPA Gen 3 chassis will be able to accommodate up to three double-wide modules. Each high power module will allow for an incredible +500 watts at 8 ohms. As you’ve come to expect from Emotiva both the double-wide and standard modules are stable into 2 ohm loads

[/quote]
That's interesting. So they've got a balanced module as well eh? I'm glad they are not going away from balanced circuitry. Now interstingly Emotiva has their own words for balanced. Dual differential refers just to the input being differential.

Balanced - the way we normally think about it ....from end to end in the amp with the two out of phase signals is referred to as quad differential by Emotiva. So this chassis can allow for an 3 channel balanced module. That's interesting.

[cwt]

[quote author="garbulky" source="/post/803169/thread" timestamp="1457184342That's interesting. So they've got a balanced module as well eh? I'm glad they are not going away from balanced circuitry. Now interstingly Emotiva has their own words for balanced. Dual differential refers just to the input being differential.

Balanced - the way we normally think about it ....from end to end in the amp with the two out of phase signals is referred to as quad differential by Emotiva. So this chassis can allow for an 3 channel balanced module. That's interesting. [/quote]
For sure ; I remember the last discussion about single ended circuitry and balanced outputs here ; quad diff terminology isnt used much anywhere but here :)Having the one chassis for the 2 module types certainly makes sense from a economy of scale production viewpoint and the front lcr channels are the most important too .

[Lsc]

The chassis can accommodate up to 7 channels or 3 balanced channels.

This is not a direct replacement of the XPR amps, rather it is the replacement of the XPA amps.

They are not rebranding the XPR amp and calling it XPA G3....Lol.

[cwt]

Mar 5, 2016 22:01:16 GMT -5 Lsc said:

The chassis can accommodate up to 7 channels or 3 balanced channels.

This is not a direct replacement of the XPR amps, rather it is the replacement of the XPA amps.

They are not rebranding the XPR amp and calling it XPA G3....Lol.

Of course not ; thought it was obvious I was drawing a parallel between the XPA/XPR lines ; the XPR1 is a quad differential monoblock ; the XPA1 monoblock module is also quad differential -quite rare for emo. Both lines are class H also .

Emo intends the balanced input to output module as an upgrade to the standard single ended design . The XPR line is defunct and the heavy toroidal design is replaced with the lighter and more robust for transport smps and less power supply capacitance means less weight too I imagine.

have a read of what amaheshw stated and just substitute XPA instead ; it becomes obvious