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Post by nickwin on Mar 28, 2015 10:17:05 GMT -5
Just curious if anyone has compared the Stealth 6s (or 8s) or Airmotiv 6s to the Paradigm Studio 20s (v3-5), or any other speakers in the Studio line. I know these are both great speakers and they are in the same price range but of course with the Emotiva's you get nice amps included in for that price. If the Emotivas can match or best the Paradigms sound quality that would make them a real no brainer in my book. (I currently own Studio 20s).
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Post by Porscheguy on Mar 28, 2015 10:19:54 GMT -5
Not sure how anyone can answer that question for you. You might love the one I don't and vice versa. Speakers are like ice cream. Everyone likes something different and there is no one right answer  |
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Post by creimes on Mar 28, 2015 10:21:39 GMT -5
Just curious if anyone has compared the Stealth 6s (or 8s) or Airmotiv 6s to the Paradigm Studio 20s (v3-5), or any other speakers in the Studio line. I know these are both great speakers and they are in the same price range but of course with the Emotiva's you get nice amps included in for that price. If the Emotivas can match or best the Paradigms sound quality that would make them a real no brainer in my book. (I currently own Studio 20s). I have some Stealth 6 for sale if you wanna test it out for yourself  |
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Post by nickwin on Mar 28, 2015 10:36:59 GMT -5
Not sure how anyone can answer that question for you. You might love the one I don't and vice versa. Speakers are like ice cream. Everyone likes something different and there is no one right answer Sure there is preference involved, but when it comes down to it one is objectivly going to be a better performer than the other. Besides I would be interested in subjective impressions as well, they can tell you a lot also IMO. I think if someone bought either of these speakers they are looking for the same things I am, neutrality, realism, and dynamics... |
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Post by Porscheguy on Mar 28, 2015 11:14:40 GMT -5
I guess my point was your opinion of neutrality, realism and dynamics might differ from mine. Every time someone asks questions about impressions or preferences in speaker brands/models, many leave more confused than when they started because very few people have the same take on speakers. YMMV |
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Post by nickwin on Mar 29, 2015 8:52:53 GMT -5
Very true. Not that those are subjective qualities, they can all be quantified, but most people have not quantified them so there opinions will be subjective. I can see how hearing varying opinions could confuse some people but I always find them very useful. They key is getting many opinions from different places and not putting to much weight on any given one. You can also look for context, if someone feels the same way about a given speaker that you do, chances are you will agree with them on other speakers as well. It sounds like you have an opinion on these. Want to share? Im not going to come looking for you if I diagree . |
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Post by Porscheguy on Mar 29, 2015 9:12:55 GMT -5
Very true. Not that those are subjective qualities, they can all be quantified, but most people have not quantified them so there opinions will be subjective. I can see how hearing varying opinions could confuse some people but I always find them very useful. They key is getting many opinions from different places and not putting to much weight on any given one. You can also look for context, if someone feels the same way about a given speaker that you do, chances are you will agree with them on other speakers as well. It sounds like you have an opinion on these. Want to share? Im not going to come looking for you if I diagree . I have the Airmotiv 4's (not the S) and I think they sound great, and have heard all of them at Emofest at Emotiva. All of Emo powered monitors have great fidelity and soundstage relative to their size and are great values. Not sure on those Paragigm's. They make great products and I'm sure like all Paradigm speakers those too are very nice. At some point I'm going to upgrade to the Stealth 6's..... I'm also waiting to see what speakers (if any) Emotiva releases.. |
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Post by nickwin on Mar 29, 2015 9:20:45 GMT -5
Cool thanks. Iv heard there are some new ones in the pipeline. Im really curious how they are going to compete with the powered line which are already such a value. IMO the active bi-amplification changes everything. And then you have you have the fact that each stealth 6 essentially has a xpa-100 built Into it makes it quite a deal. Maybe this new line will be something special!
I also have the 4s. They never cease to amaze me for the price and size. Stealth 6s are in my radar as well. I don't have the 6s to compare but I do have the Paradigms AND the AM4s. Maybe I need to do a comparison myself.
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Post by novisnick on Mar 29, 2015 10:35:24 GMT -5
I don't know if this will hurt or help, but hear goes.
I've auditioned a set of Studio 60s and 100s in the same room at the same time powered and fed by the same gear, ie, amps CD source, stream etc, unfortunately no HiDef source or TT . The differences were as if they were from two different lines of speakers,,,,,well, almos.
As you might expect the 100s had all that and the 69s didn't.
Highs were almost exact but mids and bass was so much better!!
Purchasing the 60s never crossed my mind at that point.
I do understand that it was not a fair audition because the 100s are in a higher price range but price doesn't always indicate quality or value.
I did enjoy the 60s, don't get me wrong, I've evn thought of having them in my cave ( smaller room ) and putting the 100s in a much larger room, I still may one day.
Just my two cents my friend.
I really love the sound of my Studio 100s and they seem to get better every day. Good luck with you analysts and keep the music going!! 8)
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Post by oppman99 on Mar 29, 2015 11:13:15 GMT -5
I never compared them at the same time, so take this with a grain of salt. I have owned Studio 100s and a buddy had the 20s, so I am very familiar with the sound. I also have a pair of Airmotive 5s currently. The 5s are a step below the Studio 20s IMO. The Studios are just cleaner all around, especially in the mids and bass. Something I have noticed with the AM5s is that they lose their composure at higher volumes if the gain is turned up past 3/4. I use them on the patio due to the convenience factor, so they suit my needs. I will say the Airmotives image very well when used near field. I don't have any experience with the Stealths, and from everything I have read, they should be better competition for the Studios.
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Post by creimes on Mar 29, 2015 11:53:12 GMT -5
Here is a jpg from REW with my L&R Stealth 6 running a sweep in my room which is treated with acoustic panels, REW only gave me 3 frequencies to adjust and IMO the Stealth 6 are an amazing sounding speaker, especially considering the price.  |
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Post by vcautokid on Mar 29, 2015 14:28:24 GMT -5
The Stealth and the Airmotiv speakers have the advantage of amplifier stages optimized the drivers and crossovers inside. No worries of amplifier to speaker matching. The Stealths and Airmotivs are amazing. The Paradigm Studio is a fine speaker, sold them for years. Some great choices here.
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Post by brtaylor92 on Mar 31, 2015 1:57:24 GMT -5
I've never spent any time with the Studio line, but if they share their sound with the Mini Monitors at all, I found the frequency response on the Stealth 6 to be audibly flatter; the Mini Monitors (v5 I believe) had an audible bump in the midrange, which was only exacerbated by my amplifier unfortunately. Whether you prefer some color to your sound or not is, well, preference, but to me Stealths are the clear choice.
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Post by nickwin on Apr 2, 2015 11:13:16 GMT -5
I never compared them at the same time, so take this with a grain of salt. I have owned Studio 100s and a buddy had the 20s, so I am very familiar with the sound. I also have a pair of Airmotive 5s currently. The 5s are a step below the Studio 20s IMO. The Studios are just cleaner all around, especially in the mids and bass. Something I have noticed with the AM5s is that they lose their composure at higher volumes if the gain is turned up past 3/4. I use them on the patio due to the convenience factor, so they suit my needs. I will say the Airmotives image very well when used near field. I don't have any experience with the Stealths, and from everything I have read, they should be better competition for the Studios. Very cool, thanks for sharing! I do find the Paradigms to be more clear, transparent, and less grainy than the Airmotiv 4s. That said the 4s pump out some serious volume for there size which is why I was curious what the 6s could do. With the 6s having twice the amp power of the 5s they probably have a noticeable increase in spl capabilities. I agree about the Airmotivs imaging really well, probably better than the studios, but then again I've never used the studios near field. If the dynamics of the 4s scales up to the 6s I feel like they would be better in terms of dynamics too. |
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Post by nickwin on Apr 2, 2015 11:15:32 GMT -5
Here is a jpg from REW with my L&R Stealth 6 running a sweep in my room which is treated with acoustic panels, REW only gave me 3 frequencies to adjust and IMO the Stealth 6 are an amazing sounding speaker, especially considering the price. Very nice. Im not really in the market yet, otherwise id make you an offer. I agree though, for there price you really can't touch these. Studio 20s with a pair of XPA100s will cost twice what the stealth 6s cost, or 4x the Airmotiov 6's. |
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Post by novisnick on Apr 2, 2015 11:18:26 GMT -5
I never compared them at the same time, so take this with a grain of salt. I have owned Studio 100s and a buddy had the 20s, so I am very familiar with the sound. I also have a pair of Airmotive 5s currently. The 5s are a step below the Studio 20s IMO. The Studios are just cleaner all around, especially in the mids and bass. Something I have noticed with the AM5s is that they lose their composure at higher volumes if the gain is turned up past 3/4. I use them on the patio due to the convenience factor, so they suit my needs. I will say the Airmotives image very well when used near field. I don't have any experience with the Stealths, and from everything I have read, they should be better competition for the Studios. Very cool, thanks for sharing! I do find the Paradigms to be more clear, transparent, and less grainy than the Airmotiv 4s. That said the 4s pump out some serious volume for there size which is why I was curious what the 6s could do. With the 6s having twice the amp power of the 5s they probably have a noticeable increase in spl capabilities. I agree about the Airmotivs imaging really well, probably better than the studios, but then again I've never used the studios near field. If the dynamics of the 4s scales up to the 6s I feel like they would be better in terms of dynamics too. Quick question before I can comment, is 8' near field? |
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Post by nickwin on Apr 2, 2015 11:18:33 GMT -5
The Stealth and the Airmotiv speakers have the advantage of amplifier stages optimized the drivers and crossovers inside. No worries of amplifier to speaker matching. The Stealths and Airmotivs are amazing. The Paradigm Studio is a fine speaker, sold them for years. Some great choices here. This is exactly what I was curious about. I think in large part the Airmotiv's and stealth sound as good as they do because of the active networks (or lack of passive ones). In my experience actives can sound a lot better for the same $. Is it enough to make them able to compete with a more expensive, beefier more refined passive speaker like the the studio 20's? Thats what Im wondering. |
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Post by nickwin on Apr 2, 2015 11:20:58 GMT -5
Very cool, thanks for sharing! I do find the Paradigms to be more clear, transparent, and less grainy than the Airmotiv 4s. That said the 4s pump out some serious volume for there size which is why I was curious what the 6s could do. With the 6s having twice the amp power of the 5s they probably have a noticeable increase in spl capabilities. I agree about the Airmotivs imaging really well, probably better than the studios, but then again I've never used the studios near field. If the dynamics of the 4s scales up to the 6s I feel like they would be better in terms of dynamics too. Quick question before I can comment, is 8' near field? I would say no. It really depends how big your room is though. If the speakers are 8' from you and 16' from any side walls, well thats pretty much near field. My rooms are generally small tho so I would consider nearfeild more like 1m. Im not sure if there is technically a cut off, but it basically comes down to how close they are to you relative to any walls. The closer they are the less room effects you will hear. |
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Post by vcautokid on Apr 2, 2015 12:01:43 GMT -5
I agree and more as the Stealths and Airmotivs ability to project in a room is quite good too. My roommate has the Stealths and Airmotivs for music and movies, does well. Mine in a smaller room does peachy too. Although meant for mixing, and mastering these speakers have great versatility. You maybe able to do it all for less.
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Post by nickwin on Apr 2, 2015 12:39:56 GMT -5
I agree and more as the Stealths and Airmotivs ability to project in a room is quite good too. My roommate has the Stealths and Airmotivs for music and movies, does well. Mine in a smaller room does peachy too. Although meant for mixing, and mastering these speakers have great versatility. You maybe able to do it all for less. Do you have any experience with the studio line? (V3 and forward). What I want to know is how Emotiva is going to compete with these actives with there new passive speaker line. Should be interesting. Maybe we will see some full range actives? Like Def Tech Mythos or Golden Ear. |
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