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Post by vneal on May 18, 2015 18:29:58 GMT -5
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Post by Lsc on May 18, 2015 21:44:18 GMT -5
Isc Is the XPR 2 dead quiet or just has a sweeter sounding hiss and buzz? ;-) I wouldn't mind giving it an audition if I can find a show room or a road show near me. My XPR-2 has a "pure" sounding hiss that's barely audible from about 6 inches and in. At about 10-12 inches, I can't hear anything. The reason why I said hiss vs hiss/buzz is that my XPR-5 has a little buzz coming out of my center and surrounds in addition to the hiss. I'm running XLRs to both the XPR-2 and XPR-5. The XPR-2 can melt the voice coils off of my Revel F208 and it has bottomed out the woofer once at -12 playing music, so I'm careful with the volume. Granted at this volume the sound level was getting a little uncomfortable since it was deafening....as I posted before I was trying to reproduce the volume levels of the Paris Club (night club) in Chicago when a famous DJ came (I had no idea who he was). XMC-1 with Dirac -> XPR-2 -> F208 -> audio heaven (for me). I can listen to $80,000 speakers on $20,000 monoblock amps and still come home and say...wow, my stuff still sounds great...yes not as incredible as those systems but pretty darn close. |
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Post by guzz46 on May 18, 2015 22:37:39 GMT -5
Isc Is the XPR 2 dead quiet or just has a sweeter sounding hiss and buzz? ;-) I wouldn't mind giving it an audition if I can find a show room or a road show near me. My XPR-2 has a "pure" sounding hiss that's barely audible from about 6 inches and in. At about 10-12 inches, I can't hear anything. The reason why I said hiss vs hiss/buzz is that my XPR-5 has a little buzz coming out of my center and surrounds in addition to the hiss. I'm running XLRs to both the XPR-2 and XPR-5. The XPR-2 can melt the voice coils off of my Revel F208 and it has bottomed out the woofer once at -12 playing music, so I'm careful with the volume. Granted at this volume the sound level was getting a little uncomfortable since it was deafening....as I posted before I was trying to reproduce the volume levels of the Paris Club (night club) in Chicago when a famous DJ came (I had no idea who he was). XMC-1 with Dirac -> XPR-2 -> F208 -> audio heaven (for me). I can listen to $80,000 speakers on $20,000 monoblock amps and still come home and say...wow, my stuff still sounds great...yes not as incredible as those systems but pretty darn close. That's the old law of diminishing returns, I'm 99% sure that I'll never upgrade my speakers, because I'll probably have to spend at least twice as much to get a very small improvement, and it's just not worth it for me, considering my speakers aren't exactly cheap to begin with. I recently had the chance to compare a Chord Hugo dac to my Cambridge 752, and the difference was so slight that I don't even know if I would be able to pick them apart in a blind test (and the Hugo costs twice as much as the Cambridge) so I believe I've reached my point of diminishing returns, barring any new Oppo/Cambridge blu-ray model upgrades and features. |
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Post by stanlee on May 19, 2015 0:42:00 GMT -5
My XPR-2 has a "pure" sounding hiss that's barely audible from about 6 inches and in. At about 10-12 inches, I can't hear anything. The reason why I said hiss vs hiss/buzz is that my XPR-5 has a little buzz coming out of my center and surrounds in addition to the hiss. I'm running XLRs to both the XPR-2 and XPR-5. The XPR-2 can melt the voice coils off of my Revel F208 and it has bottomed out the woofer once at -12 playing music, so I'm careful with the volume. Granted at this volume the sound level was getting a little uncomfortable since it was deafening....as I posted before I was trying to reproduce the volume levels of the Paris Club (night club) in Chicago when a famous DJ came (I had no idea who he was). XMC-1 with Dirac -> XPR-2 -> F208 -> audio heaven (for me). I can listen to $80,000 speakers on $20,000 monoblock amps and still come home and say...wow, my stuff still sounds great...yes not as incredible as those systems but pretty darn close. That's the old law of diminishing returns, I'm 99% sure that I'll never upgrade my speakers, because I'll probably have to spend at least twice as much to get a very small improvement, and it's just not worth it for me, considering my speakers aren't exactly cheap to begin with. I recently had the chance to compare a Chord Hugo dac to my Cambridge 752, and the difference was so slight that I don't even know if I would be able to pick them apart in a blind test (and the Hugo costs twice as much as the Cambridge) so I believe I've reached my point of diminishing returns, barring any new Oppo/Cambridge blu-ray model upgrades and features. Exactly!!! You can spend 100k or 10k on Speakers, DAC, amps, cables etc etc.....but if you personally can't tell the difference or only slightly, why waste money? |
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Post by jcam2881 on May 19, 2015 8:10:43 GMT -5
Isc Is the XPR 2 dead quiet or just has a sweeter sounding hiss and buzz? ;-) I wouldn't mind giving it an audition if I can find a show room or a road show near me. My XPR-2 has a "pure" sounding hiss that's barely audible from about 6 inches and in. At about 10-12 inches, I can't hear anything. The reason why I said hiss vs hiss/buzz is that my XPR-5 has a little buzz coming out of my center and surrounds in addition to the hiss. I'm running XLRs to both the XPR-2 and XPR-5. The XPR-2 can melt the voice coils off of my Revel F208 and it has bottomed out the woofer once at -12 playing music, so I'm careful with the volume. Granted at this volume the sound level was getting a little uncomfortable since it was deafening....as I posted before I was trying to reproduce the volume levels of the Paris Club (night club) in Chicago when a famous DJ came (I had no idea who he was). XMC-1 with Dirac -> XPR-2 -> F208 -> audio heaven (for me). I can listen to $80,000 speakers on $20,000 monoblock amps and still come home and say...wow, my stuff still sounds great...yes not as incredible as those systems but pretty darn close. I like that you went w the xpr-2... If I get tempted adding 2 more speakers I will go this way.. |
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Post by monkumonku on May 19, 2015 10:33:11 GMT -5
That's the old law of diminishing returns, I'm 99% sure that I'll never upgrade my speakers, because I'll probably have to spend at least twice as much to get a very small improvement, and it's just not worth it for me, considering my speakers aren't exactly cheap to begin with. I recently had the chance to compare a Chord Hugo dac to my Cambridge 752, and the difference was so slight that I don't even know if I would be able to pick them apart in a blind test (and the Hugo costs twice as much as the Cambridge) so I believe I've reached my point of diminishing returns, barring any new Oppo/Cambridge blu-ray model upgrades and features. Exactly!!! You can spend 100k or 10k on Speakers, DAC, amps, cables etc etc.....but if you personally can't tell the difference or only slightly, why waste money? You mean like being able to hear hiss when less than a foot away from the speakers with no source playing, versus being at a normal listening position where it becomes inaudible? And buying a $10,000 amp just to try and "fix" that problem?  |
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Post by stanlee on May 19, 2015 21:02:27 GMT -5
Exactly!!! You can spend 100k or 10k on Speakers, DAC, amps, cables etc etc.....but if you personally can't tell the difference or only slightly, why waste money? You mean like being able to hear hiss when less than a foot away from the speakers with no source playing, versus being at a normal listening position where it becomes inaudible? And buying a $10,000 amp just to try and "fix" that problem? You're not seriously comparing the xpr 5 with the MA8000 are you? LOL |
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Post by geebo on May 19, 2015 21:13:50 GMT -5
You mean like being able to hear hiss when less than a foot away from the speakers with no source playing, versus being at a normal listening position where it becomes inaudible? And buying a $10,000 amp just to try and "fix" that problem? You're not seriously comparing the xpr 5 with the MA8000 are you? LOL I don't think that's what he was comparing... But it wouldn't surprise me that it sounds better than a McIntosh integrated. |
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Post by Lsc on May 19, 2015 21:22:41 GMT -5
Found it! emotivalounge.proboards.com/thread/27652XPR-5 vs the MC601. XPR-5 gives you 500 clean watts into 2 ch at 8 ohms. Well, it may give you a little hiss and buzz when you stick your ears right against a tweeter. If someone did that at my house, I'd just crank the volume up and scare the crap out of em. Lol. |
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Post by stanlee on May 19, 2015 21:30:23 GMT -5
I've listened to the MA8000 powering the same speakers I have. It's phenomenal. Dead quiet and it does more than just driving, it also has a sweet DAC etc etc.... I can hear a huge difference between the mac and the XPR. Some people don't and I respect that but I do. Too bad it's $10k and not $5k or less....or else I'd be listening to it right now as we speak :-)
But I estimate an ETA of 12 to 18 months before I get my hands on that baby.
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Post by guzz46 on May 19, 2015 21:41:05 GMT -5
I've listened to the MA8000 powering the same speakers I have. It's phenomenal. Dead quiet and it does more than just driving, it also has a sweet DAC etc etc.... I can hear a huge difference between the mac and the XPR. Some people don't and I respect that but I do. Too bad it's $10k and not $5k or less....or else I'd be listening to it right now as we speak :-) But I estimate an ETA of 12 to 18 months before I get my hands on that baby. Did you listen to the MA800 in your room? or a different room all together? |
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Post by monkumonku on May 19, 2015 21:56:54 GMT -5
You mean like being able to hear hiss when less than a foot away from the speakers with no source playing, versus being at a normal listening position where it becomes inaudible? And buying a $10,000 amp just to try and "fix" that problem? You're not seriously comparing the xpr 5 with the MA8000 are you? LOL I've never heard either one, but that wasn't the point of my post. It's about how much practical and audible difference is there between an Emo amp and something that costs nearly 5x as much and has 2 channels versus the Emo's 5 channels. Blindfolded, would there be a significant difference, one worth paying 5x the price (and if comparing 2 channels, then more than 5x the price using the XPR-2 instead of XPR-5). |
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Post by novisnick on May 19, 2015 22:00:49 GMT -5
Would someone besides me tell this troll to purchase a set of XPR-1s and be done with the crying!!   It's been a crazy week,,,,,and it's only Tuesday with no promises of getting better. Please give me a little levity, but ya get my point. Thanks to all. |
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Post by stanlee on May 19, 2015 22:21:17 GMT -5
I've listened to the MA8000 powering the same speakers I have. It's phenomenal. Dead quiet and it does more than just driving, it also has a sweet DAC etc etc.... I can hear a huge difference between the mac and the XPR. Some people don't and I respect that but I do. Too bad it's $10k and not $5k or less....or else I'd be listening to it right now as we speak :-) But I estimate an ETA of 12 to 18 months before I get my hands on that baby. Did you listen to the MA800 in your room? or a different room all together? Not in the same room but I did compare the mac vs a rotel amp which is more in the same price range as the emo's, not that it matters, and there was no comparison. The difference is quite stark I don't think the dynamics of the room would've made a huge difference. Perhaps some but not much. That's just my humble opinion. Frankly I think the mac would've sounded better in my room :-)) |
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Post by stanlee on May 19, 2015 22:29:17 GMT -5
Would someone besides me tell this troll to purchase a set of XPR-1s and be done with the crying!! View AttachmentDo you work for emotiva? Past or presently. Can't help but notice your intolerance to differing opinions and experiences. If you only want those who praise and worships the Emotiva god on this forum, than the admins should clearly state so but I frankly don't think they're that undemocratic. |
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Post by guzz46 on May 19, 2015 22:35:05 GMT -5
Did you listen to the MA800 in your room? or a different room all together? Not in the same room but I did compare the mac vs a rotel amp which is more in the same price range as the emo's, not that it matters, and there was no comparison. The difference is quite stark I don't think the dynamics of the room would've made a huge difference. Perhaps some but not much. That's just my humble opinion. Frankly I think the mac would've sounded better in my room :-)) In all fairness you really need to compare both in the same room, I've moved houses before and taken the exact same system with me, and the difference was quite big, almost like changing speakers, heck... I can alter the sound of my system dramatically just by firing my speakers straight ahead vs toed in. |
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Post by novisnick on May 19, 2015 22:37:57 GMT -5
Would someone besides me tell this troll to purchase a set of XPR-1s and be done with the crying!! Do you work for emotiva? Past or presently. Can't help but notice your intolerance to differing opinions and experiences. If you only want those who praise and worships the Emotiva god on this forum, than the admins should clearly state so but I frankly don't think they're that undemocratic. No, I've never worked or been associated with Emotiva. This thread has just gone on and on. Also ,,, please see my amendment to the post you are referring to. Thanks for your concideration. I have a be no problem with giving them hell,,,,, gezz, I've done it on many occasions. Just beating the same drum drives me a little crazy. I get your point, do something about it please. Everyone gets your point! I just can't believe this thread keeps going on and on,,,,,,,,kinda like me right now,,,,he,,,,he,,,,he,,,,,, I was one of the first to welcome you and have no problem with diverse opinions, but I / we get your point. It has a BUZZZZZZZZZZZZZ,,,,,WAIT,,,,WAIT,,,,,,,,ITS A HISSSSSSSSSZZZZZZZ,,,,,,,,but I digress,,,,,,,,,,  |
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Post by stanlee on May 19, 2015 22:42:02 GMT -5
Not in the same room but I did compare the mac vs a rotel amp which is more in the same price range as the emo's, not that it matters, and there was no comparison. The difference is quite stark I don't think the dynamics of the room would've made a huge difference. Perhaps some but not much. That's just my humble opinion. Frankly I think the mac would've sounded better in my room :-)) In all fairness you really need to compare both in the same room, I've moved houses before and taken the exact same system with me, and the difference was quite big, almost like changing speakers, heck... I can alter the sound of my system dramatically just by firing my speakers straight ahead vs toed in. When I compare the MA8000 against the XPR 5 head to head in the same room, I'll update this post with the utmost objectivity and perhaps a couple of blind tests involving friends and family. |
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Post by stanlee on May 19, 2015 22:51:54 GMT -5
Do you work for emotiva? Past or presently. Can't help but notice your intolerance to differing opinions and experiences. If you only want those who praise and worships the Emotiva god on this forum, than the admins should clearly state so but I frankly don't think they're that undemocratic. No, I've never worked or been associated with Emotiva. This thread has just gone on and on. Also ,,, please see my amendment to the post you are referring to. Thanks for your concideration. I have a be no problem with giving them hell,,,,, gezz, I've done it on many occasions. Just beating the same drum drives me a little crazy. I get your point, do something about it please. Everyone gets your point! I just can't believe this thread keeps going on and on,,,,,,,,kinda like me right now,,,,he,,,,he,,,,he,,,,,, I was one of the first to welcome you and have no problem with diverse opinions, but I / we get your point. It has a BUZZZZZZZZZZZZZ,,,,,WAIT,,,,WAIT,,,,,,,,ITS A HISSSSSSSSSZZZZZZZ,,,,,,,,but I digress,,,,,,,,,, The thread has evolved from just hiss and buzz to something else now.....but like listening to sound, people hear what they want to hear and they read what they want to read. And childish mocking definitely does not help the cause. |
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Post by Lsc on May 19, 2015 22:59:39 GMT -5
I thought the thread was going well. stanlee bought the xpr-5...hardly would call him a troll.
But when comparing amps and one is integrated, it's important that the xpr-5 has an equally excellent preamp.
My F208 never sounded as good the demo at the store and this is with the Xpr-5 until I got the XMC-1. With a lesser preamp the McIntosh will sound way better but the credit may fall to the preamp vs the power amp.
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It's been a crazy week,,,,,and it's only Tuesday with no promises of getting better. Please give me a little levity, but ya get my point. Thanks to all.
