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Post by skippy1977 on Nov 12, 2015 18:08:51 GMT -5
Oh that's a low blow ;-). What's another one. It's all about the little clique going on here anyhow. It has been that way for years and nothings changed. One can sing the highest praises about the XMC-1 and suggest it to many others. But oh one can't talk back to the members with 5000 plus posts. I'm a member of a number of different AV and music forums and don't see this type of behavior on any of them. I know tomorrow I'll be kicking back enjoying the best sound quality I've ever attained in my system. That is largely due to the XMC-1 and Dirac. Have a nice night boys :-). From on of those "other" forums... "Wow. All I can say is that you seem to argue every point with anyone here that doesn't hold the same interests that you have such as "precise and clean PCM reproduction". I've had a few minor issues with the XMC-1. But I found an easy workaround so I didn't get the DSD thump. The minor issues were not bad enough so that I argue with others and post non stop how Emotiva is not fixing issues. If wasting time is an issue for you why bother wasting your time posting here? The issues with your XMC-1 will most certainly not be resolved here with posts like the above. There is no such thing as a perfect processor. There are negatives and positives to just about every processor out there. I guess it's up to you to decide if you can put up with a "buggy crap as a premium product". I know for a fact that the XMC-1 along with Dirac is easily the best sounding processor I've had in my system. So it's definitely a keeper for me .
Bill"
And... "Quote: Originally Posted by IgorZep View Post All I can say is that you (and some other people here) seem to argue any and every mention of the bug or misbehaviour of the XMC-1. All I've done is a very short report of the installing 3.1 firmware. The reaction is as if I've said untruth or the issue does not exist or the issue is not actually an issue. Neither is the case. Is it a misdemeanor to write about bugs in Emotiva products in Emotiva threads? " "I didn't argue about any bugs or issue that you recently reported. In my earlier posts all I did was ask where you saw that some were still having the DSD thump issue with the 3.1 FW. That's a question not an argument. I never thought you were not telling the truth. You seem very sensitive to anyone asking you questions on what you previously posted. I was curious as to what the situation was and you posted a link to a Russian forum which not many here can read. I suggested that you try another processor if the XMC-1 doesn't meet your expectations. You then went into great detail of how much of a inconvenience that will be. I'm not the only one here to suggest that you try a different processor. It was a suggestion made in good faith with no malice intended. In all honesty I feel members here will tire of your complaints about the XMC-1 if they're issues that most aren't having. If those issues will or can't be corrected by Emotiva then the only option is to deal with the issues or go with a different processor. Either way it's an inconvenience of which you have to decide which is worse.
Of course it's not a "misdemeanor" to write about bugs with the XMC-1. I believe I was one of the first here to post about the DSD thump and posted about a few other bugs with the XMC-1. I've been very critical of Emotiva in the past specifically the UMC-1 that I owned and it was not a very positive experience. I returned the UMC-1 within a week and moved on to a different processor. I thought the XMC-1 was going to be returned as well after finding the DSD thump. But I found a work around and waited sometimes not to patiently for the 3.1 FW. In that time I found that the XMC-1 is an outstanding sounding processor. That is with both stereo and multichannel music as well as movies. At this point I have no complaints with the XMC-1. Is it perfect? Of course not but weighing the positives with the negatives the positives far out weigh the negatives.
Bill " Wow! Should I get a restraining order ;-) The funny part is that in those posts I'm singing the praises of the XMC-1. I'm sure if I dug deep into your posts I'd find you going at it with Igorzep as well. But I'm going to bother. |
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Post by geebo on Nov 12, 2015 18:13:00 GMT -5
From on of those "other" forums... "Wow. All I can say is that you seem to argue every point with anyone here that doesn't hold the same interests that you have such as "precise and clean PCM reproduction". I've had a few minor issues with the XMC-1. But I found an easy workaround so I didn't get the DSD thump. The minor issues were not bad enough so that I argue with others and post non stop how Emotiva is not fixing issues. If wasting time is an issue for you why bother wasting your time posting here? The issues with your XMC-1 will most certainly not be resolved here with posts like the above. There is no such thing as a perfect processor. There are negatives and positives to just about every processor out there. I guess it's up to you to decide if you can put up with a "buggy crap as a premium product". I know for a fact that the XMC-1 along with Dirac is easily the best sounding processor I've had in my system. So it's definitely a keeper for me .
Bill"
And... "Quote: Originally Posted by IgorZep View Post All I can say is that you (and some other people here) seem to argue any and every mention of the bug or misbehaviour of the XMC-1. All I've done is a very short report of the installing 3.1 firmware. The reaction is as if I've said untruth or the issue does not exist or the issue is not actually an issue. Neither is the case. Is it a misdemeanor to write about bugs in Emotiva products in Emotiva threads? " "I didn't argue about any bugs or issue that you recently reported. In my earlier posts all I did was ask where you saw that some were still having the DSD thump issue with the 3.1 FW. That's a question not an argument. I never thought you were not telling the truth. You seem very sensitive to anyone asking you questions on what you previously posted. I was curious as to what the situation was and you posted a link to a Russian forum which not many here can read. I suggested that you try another processor if the XMC-1 doesn't meet your expectations. You then went into great detail of how much of a inconvenience that will be. I'm not the only one here to suggest that you try a different processor. It was a suggestion made in good faith with no malice intended. In all honesty I feel members here will tire of your complaints about the XMC-1 if they're issues that most aren't having. If those issues will or can't be corrected by Emotiva then the only option is to deal with the issues or go with a different processor. Either way it's an inconvenience of which you have to decide which is worse.
Of course it's not a "misdemeanor" to write about bugs with the XMC-1. I believe I was one of the first here to post about the DSD thump and posted about a few other bugs with the XMC-1. I've been very critical of Emotiva in the past specifically the UMC-1 that I owned and it was not a very positive experience. I returned the UMC-1 within a week and moved on to a different processor. I thought the XMC-1 was going to be returned as well after finding the DSD thump. But I found a work around and waited sometimes not to patiently for the 3.1 FW. In that time I found that the XMC-1 is an outstanding sounding processor. That is with both stereo and multichannel music as well as movies. At this point I have no complaints with the XMC-1. Is it perfect? Of course not but weighing the positives with the negatives the positives far out weigh the negatives.
Bill " Wow! Should I get a restraining order ;-) The funny part is that in those posts I'm singing the praises of the XMC-1. I'm sure if I dug deep into your posts I'd find you going at it with Igorzep as well. But I'm going to bother. I never claimed "I'm a member of a number of different AV and music forums and don't see this type of behavior on any of them". You did that. Indeed, you partake in the behavior. |
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Post by skippy1977 on Nov 12, 2015 18:15:10 GMT -5
Why is it that if a person's equipment does not perform as advertised, it is suggested they sell it at a loss and move on so as not to disturb the faithful? I agree that if the DSD thump is the XMC-1's biggest flaw that's damn good. I found a work around early on with a 103 and a 105D in my system. I enjoy the XMC-1 every day and will continue to do so! |
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Post by novisnick on Nov 12, 2015 18:16:23 GMT -5
OK, I've been tolerant, but I simply can't avoid making a smartass comment here....... I suggest we all go over to the analog vinyl threads and start a major flame war there..... After all, in all the turntables ever made, even up to the ones costing tens of thousands of dollars, with cartridges costing a good tenth of that.... I'VE NEVER HEARD A TURNTABLE THAT DIDN'T THUMP WHEN YOU PUT THE NEEDLE DOWN... (so I guess that means they're all junk, right?) (And isn't it odd how that little problem never seems to get mentioned in the reviews.) I'm sorry guys, especially to those of you having the problem, but if this is the single biggest flaw between the XMC-1 and absolute perfection, then I'm actually pretty satisfied  So how about a little perspective..... Peace  Why is it that if a person's equipment does not perform as advertised, it is suggested they sell it at a loss and move on so as not to disturb the faithful? KeithL! I thought I was the only one!!! About time we spend some ink on this topic!!  I've found that if the needle drop isnt adjusted just right,,,,,,and everyone knows Emotiva has never spent enough time fixing this problem, then there is this huge THUMP when it makes contact with the vinyl!! When,,,,,OH When will yall fix this obvious problem!! I can't see why its taking so dang long to fix!! GEZzzzzzz!!!!!  |
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Post by skippy1977 on Nov 12, 2015 18:19:54 GMT -5
Wow! Should I get a restraining order ;-) The funny part is that in those posts I'm singing the praises of the XMC-1. I'm sure if I dug deep into your posts I'd find you going at it with Igorzep as well. But I'm going to bother. I never claimed "I'm a member of a number of different AV and music forums and don't see this type of behavior on any of them". You did that. Indeed, you partake in the behavior. The behavior I was referencing was the good 'ole boy network here at the Lounge and how God forbid one of us lesser members should post something not to their liking. May I suggest we just drop this or take it to a PM. |
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Post by geebo on Nov 12, 2015 18:20:50 GMT -5
I never claimed "I'm a member of a number of different AV and music forums and don't see this type of behavior on any of them". You did that. Indeed, you partake in the behavior. The behavior I was referencing was the good 'ole boy network here at the Lounge and how God forbid one of us lesser members should post something not to their liking. May I suggest we just drop this or take it to a PM. Dropping is good. I can if you can. |
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Post by novisnick on Nov 12, 2015 18:33:45 GMT -5
I never claimed "I'm a member of a number of different AV and music forums and don't see this type of behavior on any of them". You did that. Indeed, you partake in the behavior. The behavior I was referencing was the good 'ole boy network here at the Lounge and how God forbid one of us lesser members should post something not to their liking. May I suggest we just drop this or take it to a PM. Hey buddy! Ive never been a part of a GOB network,,,,,and from what I know of them,,, I'll pass! so what kind of speakers are you running with your other gear, really would like to know what your running. Pics would be extra special. |
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Post by jmilton on Nov 12, 2015 18:40:50 GMT -5
Why is DSD difficult to edit? Cookie Moreno converts it to analog for editing, then right back to DSD. I agree most things are not done in DSD, but I mostly listen to classical
Which is often done in DSD.
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Post by novisnick on Nov 12, 2015 18:46:51 GMT -5
Mic drop
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Post by skippy1977 on Nov 12, 2015 18:47:36 GMT -5
The behavior I was referencing was the good 'ole boy network here at the Lounge and how God forbid one of us lesser members should post something not to their liking. May I suggest we just drop this or take it to a PM. Dropping is good. I can if you can. That works for me. |
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Post by geebo on Nov 12, 2015 18:51:26 GMT -5
Dropping is good. I can if you can. That works for me. Okay then. . |
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Post by skippy1977 on Nov 12, 2015 18:54:16 GMT -5
The behavior I was referencing was the good 'ole boy network here at the Lounge and how God forbid one of us lesser members should post something not to their liking. May I suggest we just drop this or take it to a PM. Hey buddy! Ive never been a part of a GOB network,,,,,and from what I know of them,,, I'll pass! so what kind of speakers are you running with your other gear, really would like to know what your running. Pics would be extra special. Nick, I have Salk 1801TL mains, 1801b center and ads 300C surrounds. All powered by Wyred 4 Sound amps. With the XMC-1 connected to the W4S amps using balanced my system is dead quiet. I can put my ear right up to all of the speakers and there is no hum or hiss, nothing! My system has never been this quiet it is real nice to not have any hum issues which I've always had to some degree. |
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Post by novisnick on Nov 12, 2015 18:58:54 GMT -5
Hey buddy! Ive never been a part of a GOB network,,,,,and from what I know of them,,, I'll pass! so what kind of speakers are you running with your other gear, really would like to know what your running. Pics would be extra special. Nick, I have Salk 1801TL mains, 1801b center and ads 300C surrounds. All powered by Wyred 4 Sound amps. With the XMC-1 connected to the W4S amps using balanced my system is dead quiet. I can put my ear right up to all of the speakers and there is no hum or hiss, nothing! My system has never been this quiet it is real nice to not have any hum issues which I've always had to some degree. I totaly agree with you about that " No Hum" I just love it, my Emotiva , Paradigm conection works beautifully!! Dead quiet and engrossing sounds emanates from it. I have had other systems drive me out of my mind with the hum/buzz,,,,,,short trip though,,,,he,,,,he,,,,he,,,,,, I do hear great things about the Salks , someday I hope to hear a set! |
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Post by skippy1977 on Nov 12, 2015 19:00:32 GMT -5
Why is DSD difficult to edit? Cookie Moreno converts it to analog for editing, then right back to DSD. I agree most things are not done in DSD, but I mostly listen to classical Which is often done in DSD. Jim, Do you have any classical SACDs that are a DSD recording from start to finish? I have two David Elias SACDs (Crossing and The Window) that are DSD recordings and they sound excellent. I thought I had some Telarc SACDs that are DSD recordings but I'm not sure on that. |
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Post by skippy1977 on Nov 12, 2015 19:07:05 GMT -5
Nick, I have Salk 1801TL mains, 1801b center and ads 300C surrounds. All powered by Wyred 4 Sound amps. With the XMC-1 connected to the W4S amps using balanced my system is dead quiet. I can put my ear right up to all of the speakers and there is no hum or hiss, nothing! My system has never been this quiet it is real nice to not have any hum issues which I've always had to some degree. I totaly agree with you about that " No Hum" I just love it, my Emotiva , Paradigm conection works beautifully!! Dead quiet and engrossing sounds emanates from it. I have had other systems drive me out of my mind with the hum/buzz,,,,,,short trip though,,,,he,,,,he,,,,he,,,,,, I do hear great things about the Salks , someday I hope to hear a set! Quiet is nice! If you can do try to listen to some Salk speakers. I still have my SongTowers and the 1801tls were a nice little SQ upgrade. They are a very detailed speaker without any brightness., very neutral. The cabinets are all hand made and one can pick just about any veneer and color they like. Jim Salk is a real nice person to deal with and is more about building great speakers and excellent customer service than making a quick buck. |
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Post by hemster on Nov 12, 2015 19:17:59 GMT -5
I never claimed "I'm a member of a number of different AV and music forums and don't see this type of behavior on any of them". You did that. Indeed, you partake in the behavior. The behavior I was referencing was the good 'ole boy network here at the Lounge and how God forbid one of us lesser members should post something not to their liking. May I suggest we just drop this or take it to a PM. If you've been paying attention, you'll note that there are plenty of posts from dissatisfied customers on various products - just as there are plenty of posts from those that are happy. Generally, most people who are happy with their purchase do not advertise it. But most unhappy users do. As we all know, there is no such thing as a perfect product. Emotiva have been very receptive to issues found and have promised to investigate the latest "thump" issue - which is not the same as the previous one. Not every user is experiencing the issue which makes it all the more difficult to pinpoint the cause for it. This is a hobby after all, not something life-critical like a dialysis machine for Pete's sake! So let's all settle down and enjoy our XMC-1 for all that it can do and hope that Emotiva can find a fix for the very few that have the thumping issue. |
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Post by novisnick on Nov 12, 2015 19:24:43 GMT -5
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Post by skippy1977 on Nov 12, 2015 19:25:20 GMT -5
The behavior I was referencing was the good 'ole boy network here at the Lounge and how God forbid one of us lesser members should post something not to their liking. May I suggest we just drop this or take it to a PM. If you've been paying attention, you'll note that there are plenty of posts from dissatisfied customers on various products - just as there are plenty of posts from those that are happy. Generally, most people who are happy with their purchase do not advertise it. But most unhappy users do. As we all know, there is no such thing as a perfect product. Emotiva have been very receptive to issues found and have promised to investigate the latest "thump" issue - which is not the same as the previous one. Not every user is experiencing the issue which makes it all the more difficult to pinpoint the cause for it. This is a hobby after all, not something life-critical like a dialysis machine for Pete's sake! So let's all settle down and enjoy our XMC-1 for all that it can do and hope that Emotiva can find a fix for the very few that have the thumping issue. Hemster, Point taken and well said! I watched the new Terminator movie the other night and it sounded incredible! Both two channel and multichannel music sound excellent. I'm very pleased. |
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Post by hemster on Nov 12, 2015 19:24:59 GMT -5
I totaly agree with you about that " No Hum" I just love it, my Emotiva , Paradigm conection works beautifully!! Dead quiet and engrossing sounds emanates from it. I have had other systems drive me out of my mind with the hum/buzz,,,,,,short trip though,,,,he,,,,he,,,,he,,,,,, I do hear great things about the Salks , someday I hope to hear a set! Quiet is nice! If you can do try to listen to some Salk speakers. I still have my SongTowers and the 1801tls were a nice little SQ upgrade. They are a very detailed speaker without any brightness., very neutral. The cabinets are all hand made and one can pick just about any veneer and color they like. Jim Salk is a real nice person to deal with and is more about building great speakers and excellent customer service than making a quick buck. Mahler's Symphony No. 9 by the Budapest Festival Orchestra and Ivan Fischer is the best classical SACD I have with superb recording and SQ. Strongly recommend if you like classical.  |
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Post by hemster on Nov 12, 2015 19:29:53 GMT -5
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I've found that if the needle drop isnt adjusted just right,,,,,,and everyone knows Emotiva has never spent enough time fixing this problem, then there is this huge THUMP when it makes contact with the vinyl!!
