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Post by DavidR on Feb 26, 2016 20:40:01 GMT -5
I think it's fair to say that they're on the back burner - but they haven't officially been cancelled. It's nice to finally get a response from Emotiva. Thank you. Now I know not to wait for a possible 2 channel tube preamp. Now if we could get some info on the release of the G3 amps that have been announced AND when we could expect to hear about the other six or so products yet to be announced. I don't suppose you could tell me if a (strictly) 2 channel pre (with an outstanding phono section) is in the mix that might be nicer than the XSP-1 G2? Then I'd know if I can plan on putting the XSP-1 in my HT system and get a new pre for my reference system.  |
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Post by guitarforlife on Feb 26, 2016 20:54:42 GMT -5
Simple fact it that until tubes are released we have to act like they are not coming. If you are ready to buy, just find something and buy it. Even if Emotiva comes out with glass gear it will not be less seriously less expensive than JolIda or Rogue. Until Emotiva tells us differently Glass products are not on the horizon. I totally agree with you. From the price increase on the new amps how much would tube gear be? No offence to Emo but for me if I can buy a American made amp for the same price as a Chinese made one, sorry My blood runs Red White and Blue. |
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Post by brubacca on Feb 26, 2016 21:22:32 GMT -5
Simple fact it that until tubes are released we have to act like they are not coming. If you are ready to buy, just find something and buy it. Even if Emotiva comes out with glass gear it will not be less seriously less expensive than JolIda or Rogue. Until Emotiva tells us differently Glass products are not on the horizon. I totally agree with you. From the price increase on the new amps how much would tube gear be? No offence to Emo but for me if I can buy a American made amp for the same price as a Chinese made one, sorry My blood runs Red White and Blue. To be fair about it, I believe the intention was to build the Glass line in Franklin. |
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Post by guitarforlife on Feb 26, 2016 21:25:11 GMT -5
I totally agree with you. From the price increase on the new amps how much would tube gear be? No offence to Emo but for me if I can buy a American made amp for the same price as a Chinese made one, sorry My blood runs Red White and Blue. To be fair about it, I believe the intention was to build the Glass line in Franklin. Ya, I remember that but then it never happened. |
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Post by vcautokid on Feb 26, 2016 21:29:08 GMT -5
Wow this is a tough room. I think the possibilities abound, and my optimism toward what Emotiva might come up with will be worthwhile. Will it be like anyone else. Don't know about that. As for a Chinese Amp? Will it be? How can you be sure? That is the nice thing about the future, you are pleasantly surprised when it gets here. I don't know about you, but products like the DC-1, and the Stealth Speakers are amazing. Also other products made by Emotiva are extremely capable. Why not just see what happens. Besides allot of great foods come from a slow simmer,and that hot fast flash cook. Just my humble opinion for what it is worth.
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Post by audiobill on Feb 27, 2016 5:21:40 GMT -5
My point is that there's such great tube gear out there right now, and has been for a very long time, that it makes little sense to "wait" for Emo.
Just take a look at tubes4hifi.com, and you'll see real American quality and value.
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Post by brubacca on Feb 27, 2016 7:14:07 GMT -5
Wow this is a tough room. I think the possibilities abound, and my optimism toward what Emotiva might come up with will be worthwhile. Will it be like anyone else. Don't know about that. As for a Chinese Amp? Will it be? How can you be sure? That is the nice thing about the future, you are pleasantly surprised when it gets here. I don't know about you, but products like the DC-1, and the Stealth Speakers are amazing. Also other products made by Emotiva are extremely capable. Why not just see what happens. Besides allot of great foods come from a slow simmer,and that hot fast flash cook. Just my humble opinion for what it is worth. We really have no indication that these are ever coming. Big Dan replied to me in a thread about a year ago that Glass Products were not a priority. Somewhere in there it was even acknowledged that they had working prototypes. Now we have Keith saying tubes are on the backburner. It is just not happening in the near future. It is not being rough, it is not being pessimistic, it is being realistic. They have their plate full releasing basically an entire replacement line of products. There are so many holes in the product line right now during the transition that it has to be hurting them. Plus now you have a retail channel that their needs to be profit in for them. I work in sales, I sell nothing without making some for my family, my point being margin is needed for emotiva and the retailer. So even if glass comes out I will most likely not be the screaming deal that it could have been direct before. I'm sure every product that Emotiva comes out with is quality and a "bargain" compared to many other brands. It is just time to move on from Emotiva Glass until Emotiva tells us it is coming. Nobody has wanted E-Glass more than me. Unfortunately they can't release every product they investigate. This is not meant to be a slam or a negative. It is what it is. *** edit- I just realized how heavy handed this is. I'm sorry. I am actually extremely bummed that these never happened. I really wanted a USP-1 feature set in a tube pre. I would love to put this at my HT. I was thinking that Emotiva could have done this in the $800 range ( my own made up number). *** |
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Post by kurthaudio on Mar 1, 2016 20:24:44 GMT -5
My point is that there's such great tube gear out there right now, and has been for a very long time, that it makes little sense to "wait" for Emo. Just take a look at tubes4hifi.com, and you'll see real American quality and value. I'll second TUBES FOR HIFI! Even the fully assembled options are a true bargain for what you get! I also own a Rogue Cronus Magnum II. I challenge anyone to find a better value! I never in a million years would have imagined $2500 could buy sonic chops like this! |
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Post by kurthaudio on Mar 1, 2016 20:27:46 GMT -5
I was hoping to hear from someone at Emotiva. I'm at a point where I want to buy some new tube amps. Sure would be nice if they matched my XPA-1s! Of course an Audio Research VT 200 MKII looks good next my xpa's as well ;-p Sorry. Couldn't wait. I'd still like to know anyhow. Maybe even a teaser of some other products?? The Music Room has a pair of VTM200 for sale. ARC VTM200I've looked at those many times!! I'm waiting for a set of display model Rogue M-180s to become available from my local dealer. I was told they are all mine in about 2 more weeks!!!! Drool........ |
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Post by rtg97229 on Mar 5, 2016 1:58:39 GMT -5
I think a better product for the money would be a solid state device that adds real time tube like distortion to the signal. It would cost less and could come with many different modes that would be much cheaper (as in lower cost) than rolling tubes. I know there are software packages that can do this to MP3 files but I would much rather it be done to any signal in real time.
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Post by yves on Mar 5, 2016 2:58:19 GMT -5
I think a better product for the money would be a solid state device that adds real time tube like distortion to the signal. It would cost less and could come with many different modes that would be much cheaper (as in lower cost) than rolling tubes. I know there are software packages that can do this to MP3 files but I would much rather it be done to any signal in real time. If the aim were simply to emulate that which is being referred to by many as "tubey" sounding tube gear, then maybe I would agree. But, to put it mildly, I think it is more than fair to say that this is not exactly what people who want good tube sound are looking for........ |
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Post by rtg97229 on Mar 5, 2016 11:25:46 GMT -5
I think a better product for the money would be a solid state device that adds real time tube like distortion to the signal. It would cost less and could come with many different modes that would be much cheaper (as in lower cost) than rolling tubes. I know there are software packages that can do this to MP3 files but I would much rather it be done to any signal in real time. If the aim were simply to emulate that which is being referred to by many as "tubey" sounding tube gear, then maybe I would agree. But, to put it mildly, I think it is more than fair to say that this is not exactly what people who want good tube sound are looking for........ Why not? Many people enjoy differing levels of "tubey" sound and this would be a lower cost way to get it with the possibility of many more tube settings than it would be practical to do by rolling tubes. |
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Post by yves on Mar 5, 2016 16:35:58 GMT -5
If the aim were simply to emulate that which is being referred to by many as "tubey" sounding tube gear, then maybe I would agree. But, to put it mildly, I think it is more than fair to say that this is not exactly what people who want good tube sound are looking for........ Why not? Many people enjoy differing levels of "tubey" sound and this would be a lower cost way to get it with the possibility of many more tube settings than it would be practical to do by rolling tubes. Some people actually even like the "sizzle" of mp3 sound. But that doesn't mean most audiophiles like it too. |
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Post by 1960broookwood on Mar 5, 2016 16:37:06 GMT -5
Because there is way more to the tube experience than "distortion"?
It's more the lifelife and open sound that the tubes themselves add to the experience IMHO.
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Post by rtg97229 on Mar 5, 2016 17:45:22 GMT -5
Because there is way more to the tube experience than "distortion"? It's more the lifelife and open sound that the tubes themselves add to the experience IMHO. There really is no magic pixi dust in the tubes. Every aspect of the sound can be emulated in the digital domain. If people need to believe in magic to justify their lack of understanding that is ok. There is clearly a market for such people. For people who want the same affect for less money there are programs for adding the tube sound to files but I still think a real time product would be nice. |
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Post by audiobill on Mar 5, 2016 18:38:07 GMT -5
Rtg, could please tell us the specific tube amps you have personally auditioned, with what speakers, with what music and in what rooms?
It would help us understand your impressions and conclusions.
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Post by yves on Mar 5, 2016 18:39:41 GMT -5
Because there is way more to the tube experience than "distortion"? It's more the lifelife and open sound that the tubes themselves add to the experience IMHO. There really is no magic pixi dust in the tubes. Every aspect of the sound can be emulated in the digital domain. If people need to believe in magic to justify their lack of understanding that is ok. There is clearly a market for such people. For people who want the same affect for less money there are programs for adding the tube sound to files but I still think a real time product would be nice. Nobody is saying there's any magic involved, and, if you really want to believe every aspect of tube sound can be emulated in the digital domain, then what's keeping you from actually proving your point by building these emulators yourself? Your lack of understanding? |
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Post by audiobill on Mar 5, 2016 18:43:50 GMT -5
A similar effort is being made with "modelling" tube guitar amps in the software/digital/solid state domain.
By major players like Fender, Peavy, Vox and others.
To date, none have convinced most experienced musicians they've gotten it right.
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Post by rtg97229 on Mar 5, 2016 19:17:27 GMT -5
There really is no magic pixi dust in the tubes. Every aspect of the sound can be emulated in the digital domain. If people need to believe in magic to justify their lack of understanding that is ok. There is clearly a market for such people. For people who want the same affect for less money there are programs for adding the tube sound to files but I still think a real time product would be nice. Nobody is saying there's any magic involved, and, if you really want to believe every aspect of tube sound can be emulated in the digital domain, then what's keeping you from actually proving your point by building these emulators yourself? Your lack of understanding? No the fact that it has already been done with software programs and that I already have a full time engineering job. Emotiva is in a far better position to make a practical consumer device out of it than I am. |
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Post by yves on Mar 5, 2016 19:34:05 GMT -5
Nobody is saying there's any magic involved, and, if you really want to believe every aspect of tube sound can be emulated in the digital domain, then what's keeping you from actually proving your point by building these emulators yourself? Your lack of understanding? No the fact that it has already been done with software programs and that I already have a full time engineering job. Emotiva is in a far better position to make a practical consumer device out of it than I am. This "fact" that it has already been done... is that a real fact or a pixi fact?  |
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