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Post by garbulky on Nov 15, 2015 17:21:20 GMT -5
Oh I didn't mean anything joking by it! I was being serious!  He may have tried some different function like the favorites tab he mentioned |
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Post by klinemj on Nov 15, 2015 17:25:00 GMT -5
Ah, I see...I found the search function is pretty self-evident in Tidal, so I didn't think of that.
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Post by audiobill on Nov 15, 2015 17:40:32 GMT -5
Mark, are you all set?
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Post by audiobill on Nov 15, 2015 17:45:56 GMT -5
I fear Boom's out returning his new ipad........
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Post by klinemj on Nov 15, 2015 18:12:16 GMT -5
Not sure...I got home from a Scout leader meeting hoping to try out my problem unit, and my son was (and still is...) occupying the Mancave with his girlfriend. I need to check some wiring and make sure I have a good line running to my Sonos unit. I have 3 lines running from my router to my cave, and as I recall...one was having issues and that may be the one I tried hardwiring the Sonos to. I will take the one line I know is solid and work with that once the boy clears out my space! I now have too many hardwired things down there and may need to do some work on my network, in addition to running a replacement line for the troublesome one. At present, I have a PC, my Oppo, the XMC, and 2 Sonos units I want hardwired. I never thought I would go above 3! Mark |
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Post by audiobill on Nov 15, 2015 18:13:59 GMT -5
Do you have a digital switch?
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Post by creimes on Nov 15, 2015 18:28:15 GMT -5
Not sure...I got home from a Scout leader meeting hoping to try out my problem unit, and my son was (and still is...) occupying the Mancave with his girlfriend. I need to check some wiring and make sure I have a good line running to my Sonos unit. I have 3 lines running from my router to my cave, and as I recall...one was having issues and that may be the one I tried hardwiring the Sonos to. I will take the one line I know is solid and work with that once the boy clears out my space! I now have too many hardwired things down there and may need to do some work on my network, in addition to running a replacement line for the troublesome one. At present, I have a PC, my Oppo, the XMC, and 2 Sonos units I want hardwired. I never thought I would go above 3! Mark You really only need one Cat5 run and buy a Gigabit switch and connect everything up to it ca.dlink.com/products/connect/8-port-gigabit-desktop-switch/ |
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Post by klinemj on Nov 15, 2015 18:45:16 GMT -5
I already have one gigabit 8-port switch. I run TWC cable line into their cable modem, a line from there to a Netgear GB wireless router with 4 ports...one takes the line in, one goes out to a GB switch, and 2 go to the mancave. The gb switch feeds various hardwired ports around the house for a couple desktop PC's, a couple BluRays, 1 line to the mancave, and some spare ports around the house for when I work at home and want to hardwire my company laptop for video conferences. And yes...I have been thinking of getting another GB switch for the cave. But, the Sonos units have dual Ethernet ports, so I can go in/out from them. I will likely leverage that first.
Amazing how much networked stuff I have in the house! And with a house that sprawls over 3 stories and 4500 ft2, that is a lot of line! (And 2 wireless extenders...)
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Post by seppo on Nov 15, 2015 18:45:25 GMT -5
In all fairness to Mr Boom, the search in Tidal is far from perfect. It took me a bit of learning to use. On the other hand, I have looked for literally hundreds albums, rock, prog, classical, etc there have been very few misses. With 35M+ titles, one has to start with the assumption that the title is there, and just find a way to dig it up. Over time one will learn that certain (particularly new, just released) titles might (understandably) be missing, or that some modern labels are not included at all. Other than that, it is very likely the album is there. A few tips: 1) The search is very strict. Any typo will immediately derail the search. In other words the search is not looking for near matches at all. So one should use as few keywords as possible, but so that one does not get too many results. I for example usually do not use both title and artist, rather than only search using one or two keywords in the title. 2) The prefilled / automated suggestions are often wrong. It is best to type the search term e.g. "Hunter" and then hit return. This will give a new page with full search results. Then expand the "album" listing, and voila one has all the results available. 3) Often classical albums are labeled misleadingly. Titles, artists, composers, orchestras are all over the place, and full of typos or non standard English spellings. Again, one has to search using minimal number of words, and then pull full results. If one searches for "Beethoven Ninth Symphony Karajan" it is pretty much guaranteed to fail. With classical music even searching using the title often fails, since e.g. Beethoven's Piano Concerts could be listed as Klavier Konzert... Hope this helps. The bottom line for me is that I do not care about the UI problems that much, since in the end I get to enjoy all this music at CD quality for $20 a month. |
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Post by creimes on Nov 15, 2015 19:01:23 GMT -5
I already have one gigabit 8-port switch. I run TWC cable line into their cable modem, a line from there to a Netgear GB wireless router with 4 ports...one takes the line in, one goes out to a GB switch, and 2 go to the mancave. The gb switch feeds various hardwired ports around the house for a couple desktop PC's, a couple BluRays, 1 line to the mancave, and some spare ports around the house for when I work at home and want to hardwire my company laptop for video conferences. And yes...I have been thinking of getting another GB switch for the cave. But, the Sonos units have dual Ethernet ports, so I can go in/out from them. I will likely leverage that first. Amazing how much networked stuff I have in the house! And with a house that sprawls over 3 stories and 4500 ft2, that is a lot of line! (And 2 wireless extenders...) Mark Heck my house is only 820sqft on the main and the same in the basement, I have my modem/router and two 5 port switches, also I have a Airport Express upstairs for my wireless and have the ATV plugged into that, I do Internet, TV and voice install and repair for a living so I have my house completely wired with Cat6/Cat5 |
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Post by audiobill on Nov 15, 2015 19:08:51 GMT -5
I already have one gigabit 8-port switch. I run TWC cable line into their cable modem, a line from there to a Netgear GB wireless router with 4 ports...one takes the line in, one goes out to a GB switch, and 2 go to the mancave. The gb switch feeds various hardwired ports around the house for a couple desktop PC's, a couple BluRays, 1 line to the mancave, and some spare ports around the house for when I work at home and want to hardwire my company laptop for video conferences. And yes...I have been thinking of getting another GB switch for the cave. But, the Sonos units have dual Ethernet ports, so I can go in/out from them. I will likely leverage that first. Amazing how much networked stuff I have in the house! And with a house that sprawls over 3 stories and 4500 ft2, that is a lot of line! (And 2 wireless extenders...) Mark And it seems that just yesterday you got your internet speeds up to snuff!! |
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Post by klinemj on Nov 15, 2015 19:18:36 GMT -5
I just did some searching for "sonos tidal problems", and I am seeing a lot of the same issue I am having. I started with the Mancave Sonos Connect wireless, and I had horrible problems with skipping sound. I went to wired, and it got better but not perfect for the Mancave. That said - the one wired line that feeds all the rest of my Sonos units is doing fine. I am going to see what I can do daisy-chaining off the known very good hard wired line and see what that does. If that fixes it, I know the one hardwired port I have is flaky. I had a problem with it a while back and didn't troubleshoot...now that I need it, it may be time to troubleshoot it! I suspect I have a bad connector or wire in the chain. Meanwhile...my son's girlfriend just left...time to go re-wire... And creimes - you have a lot of stuff in a small space! Mine is far more spread out... Mark |
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Post by klinemj on Nov 15, 2015 20:50:10 GMT -5
It is appearing that I have 3 issues contributing to my problem with Sonos Tidal. Bottom line, Tidal via Sonos does seem more finicky than any other source via tee Sonos. As to problems I have found...
First, I definitely have 1 of my hardwired ports that is not reliable. It works sometimes and others not. I will have to trace back to see what the issue is...could be a bad port on my wireless router or a connection from it to the port in the cave or the main wire itself. 2 work fine all the time, but 1 seems to work sometimes and not others...regardless of what device is plugged into it. Time to work on that!
Second, my tablet's brain seems to have been full...and I assumed that clearing its "search history" would clear everything. No...not exactly. There is a separate place to clear its cache vs. its browsing history. Doing both helped. As evidence, before I cleared both, my phone had no trouble controlling my Sonos from any source from any Sonos unit in my house. The tablet worked fine all things EXCEPT Tidal...and on Tidal via Sonos...sometimes it worked, sometimes it did not. It was so bad that if I tuned to a Tidal choice on my phone, it switched over fine as did the album art. But, the tablet would sit there thinking it was still looking at the last thing I tuned in. Once I cleared the tablet's brain fully...it seemed all was fine...but...
But then...the Tidal via Sonos cut out again... I had started to type this when I heard it.
Hence...the third challenge...I looked at my phone and my tablet, and both said the network speed was too slow for what I was trying to do. As this happened, I was at my hardwired PC, and selected a new song and all went fine. I can only conclude from this that Tidal is VERY picky about how it works.
You need a strong internet signal and if you are relying in any way on wireless for a Sonos/Tidal combo (as I am for controller from phone/tablet to Sonos)...it has to be rock solid. If there is any issue - Tidal skips. Sonos will keep working on other sources...but Tidal is finicky for some reason.
From what I read on Sonos site, they are requesting feedback on the issue. I will provide that. At this point, I can't say if the issue is Tidal or Sonos...but the combo is not reliable. So far PC and tablet Tidal seems very solid, as does the Sonos/Tidal combo as long as the entire system is working great. And, in a house that sprawls over 3 stories and 100' across...the wireless appears to be a weak link that breaks the Sonos/Tidal link but not others.
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Post by seppo on Nov 15, 2015 21:43:11 GMT -5
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Post by novisnick on Nov 16, 2015 0:34:36 GMT -5
Help Please,
I want to hear artists similar to, lets say Dave Brubeck or Oscar Peterson, how do I set up a radio station like on Pandora?
Can anyone help here?
I want to find different artists, not of the same genera so much as style. Does this make sense?
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Post by creimes on Nov 16, 2015 2:09:17 GMT -5
Help Please, I want to hear artists similar to, lets say Dave Brubeck or Oscar Peterson, how do I set up a radio station like on Pandora? Can anyone help here? I want to find different artists, not of the same genera so much as style. Does this make sense? So when you search for an artist, look right under the picture that comes up and you will see right under the picture Favorite, Share and Artist Radio, click on Artist Radio and it will say Creating Radio based on Oscar Peterson. |
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Post by audiobill on Nov 16, 2015 6:48:11 GMT -5
Mark, I think it's more demanding because Tidal's HiFi resolution, at 1,411 kbps (CD quality) is 4x the 320 kbps of Spotify etc.
Test this by playing at a lower resolution on Tidal. Not that that's the solution, but may help confirm your suspicions and point you in the right direction.
Also, as you said, close other programs, apps and clear caches for Tidal to have rom to buffer all the data.
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Post by Boomzilla on Nov 16, 2015 8:48:28 GMT -5
Yes - I searched. In neither result did the requested music appear.
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Post by Boomzilla on Nov 16, 2015 9:03:03 GMT -5
...1) The search is very strict. Any typo will immediately derail the search. In other words the search is not looking for near matches at all. So one should use as few keywords as possible, but so that one does not get too many results. I for example usually do not use both title and artist, rather than only search using one or two keywords in the title. So in other words, the voice search is useless. Unless Tidal voice recognition software not only hears the artist / title correctly but also spells it correctly, the search is useless. 2) The prefilled / automated suggestions are often wrong. It is best to type the search term e.g. "Hunter" and then hit return. This will give a new page with full search results. Then expand the "album" listing, and voila one has all the results available. So Tidal's "search" feature is essentially of little use. The "first search" results will include every album (of 35 million plus) that has the search word in the title? Blah. 3) Often classical albums are labeled misleadingly. Titles, artists, composers, orchestras are all over the place, and full of typos or non standard English spellings. Again, one has to search using minimal number of words, and then pull full results. If one searches for "Beethoven Ninth Symphony Karajan" it is pretty much guaranteed to fail. With classical music even searching using the title often fails, since e.g. Beethoven's Piano Concerts could be listed as Klavier Konzert... So even if I spell it right, Tidal won't find the music (and classical is a large part of my listening). Does Tidal include diacritical marks? Please don't tell me "sometimes!" To the contrary. It actually reinforces my initial opinion of Tidal. A title that I can't readily locate is the same as a title that doesn't exist. Of course, I could spend days tracking down all my existing library titles in Tidal, and then set up a favorites list, but is it worth the time & effort? My gut feeling at this time, despite their 35MM+ titles, is that this just isn't ready for prime time. Besides, if I find any significant subset of titles (or, actually, even one) that Tidal DOESN'T have, then I still have to maintain my own "offline" library in JRiver. If I have to do that anyway, then what am I paying Tidal for at all? My goal of having Tidal at all was to eliminate the need for me to keep my own rip library in JRiver. If I DO have to keep an offline rip library, then why pay Tidal? I don't listen to music on portable players, nor when away from home. So for me the ability to stream anywhere is of zero value. The ONLY value of Tidal was the opportunity to completely ( completely) eliminate the JRiver server & all its mess. So far, it seems that Tidal fails miserably on every front. Boomzilla [/quote] |
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Post by pop on Nov 16, 2015 9:37:25 GMT -5
Hey Boom. I think you are being a bit hard on Tidal. It is in fact a great working system. It sounds like for your genre of music that it just may not be for you. I fall in the same boat with streaming as I listen to a lot of unfamiliar titles. There are certain albums I cannot find.
$25 a month is nominal if you consider the cost of a CD or a download. Through tidal I have discovered over 30 albums that I love and are in my album favorites. I have been paying for tidal for 4 months. The math works out well in my favor.
The only personal shortcoming of tidal is the search function and its non intuitive style. However, I know how to use google and can quickly find the correct spelling of what I am searching for.
Cheers buddy.
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He may have tried some different function like the favorites tab he mentioned
