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Post by seppo on Nov 16, 2015 9:50:48 GMT -5
...1) The search is very strict. Any typo will immediately derail the search. In other words the search is not looking for near matches at all. So one should use as few keywords as possible, but so that one does not get too many results. I for example usually do not use both title and artist, rather than only search using one or two keywords in the title. So in other words, the voice search is useless. Unless Tidal voice recognition software not only hears the artist / title correctly but also spells it correctly, the search is useless. 2) The prefilled / automated suggestions are often wrong. It is best to type the search term e.g. "Hunter" and then hit return. This will give a new page with full search results. Then expand the "album" listing, and voila one has all the results available. So Tidal's "search" feature is essentially of little use. The "first search" results will include every album (of 35 million plus) that has the search word in the title? Blah. 3) Often classical albums are labeled misleadingly. Titles, artists, composers, orchestras are all over the place, and full of typos or non standard English spellings. Again, one has to search using minimal number of words, and then pull full results. If one searches for "Beethoven Ninth Symphony Karajan" it is pretty much guaranteed to fail. With classical music even searching using the title often fails, since e.g. Beethoven's Piano Concerts could be listed as Klavier Konzert...  So even if I spell it right, Tidal won't find the music (and classical is a large part of my listening). Does Tidal include diacritical marks? Please don't tell me "sometimes!" To the contrary. It actually reinforces my initial opinion of Tidal. A title that I can't readily locate is the same as a title that doesn't exist. Of course, I could spend days tracking down all my existing library titles in Tidal, and then set up a favorites list, but is it worth the time & effort? My gut feeling at this time, despite their 35MM+ titles, is that this just isn't ready for prime time. Besides, if I find any significant subset of titles (or, actually, even one) that Tidal DOESN'T have, then I still have to maintain my own "offline" library in JRiver. If I have to do that anyway, then what am I paying Tidal for at all? My goal of having Tidal at all was to eliminate the need for me to keep my own rip library in JRiver. If I DO have to keep an offline rip library, then why pay Tidal? I don't listen to music on portable players, nor when away from home. So for me the ability to stream anywhere is of zero value. The ONLY value of Tidal was the opportunity to completely ( completely) eliminate the JRiver server & all its mess. So far, it seems that Tidal fails miserably on every front. Boomzilla [/quote] For $20 a month, your expectations are unrealistic. I listen to a lot of classical music, and often listen to new titles people recommend me on various forums. It usually takes me less than a minute to find the piece on Tidal. I favorite it, and listen to it at CD quality at will. I have found dozens of albums this way, that I might have otherwise not bought, and or not have an opportunity to sample at full CD quality (compared to Spotify, Youtube etc) on my main gear. For me the value is definitely there. |
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Post by audiobill on Nov 16, 2015 9:54:52 GMT -5
Boom, streaming at cd quality may not be for you, but is great for millions. It is the audiophile standard for streaming.
You may wish to Rip in peace.
Bill
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Post by novisnick on Nov 16, 2015 9:58:47 GMT -5
Help Please, I want to hear artists similar to, lets say Dave Brubeck or Oscar Peterson, how do I set up a radio station like on Pandora? Can anyone help here? I want to find different artists, not of the same genera so much as style. Does this make sense? So when you search for an artist, look right under the picture that comes up and you will see right under the picture Favorite, Share and Artist Radio, click on Artist Radio and it will say Creating Radio based on Oscar Peterson. I've done that, where is the radio station? Cant find it? Edit, the radio button gives me only a sigle artist and not a variety of similar artists?  |
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Post by audiobill on Nov 16, 2015 10:25:09 GMT -5
It creates a related artist playlist .... look to the bottom of the page.
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Post by novisnick on Nov 16, 2015 10:33:34 GMT -5
It creates a related artist playlist .... look to the bottom of the page. Ok, so it provides he similar artists but not a " station" that will play all of them randomly. Is that correct.? I do like that Pandora does it that way. |
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Post by audiobill on Nov 16, 2015 10:34:55 GMT -5
No, it creates an endless playlist of related artist's songs....keep looking.
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Post by novisnick on Nov 16, 2015 10:38:24 GMT -5
No, it creates an endless playlist of related artist's songs....keep looking. Thanks Bill, there is no list of upcoming music, which is ok but it is cycling different songs and artists! Big winner for me!!  |
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Post by audiobill on Nov 16, 2015 10:51:06 GMT -5
Great, but do look and you'll find the list of upcoming songs.
A great way to learn new artists!
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Post by Boomzilla on Nov 16, 2015 11:31:43 GMT -5
I plan to do an "in depth" search of Tidal for random selections from my current rip library. I'll post the results. If Tidal has an overwhelming majority of my titles, I'll consider keeping it.
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Post by audiobill on Nov 16, 2015 11:43:42 GMT -5
For duplicated music? why bother?
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Post by pop on Nov 16, 2015 12:43:12 GMT -5
Tidal gives a free month to try the service. Just give it a month before paying anything to make sure you enjoy the service.
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Post by creimes on Nov 16, 2015 14:02:32 GMT -5
No, it creates an endless playlist of related artist's songs....keep looking. Thanks Bill, there is no list of upcoming music, which is ok but it is cycling different songs and artists! Big winner for me!! Nick when you hit that artist radio button it will start playing that artist and artist's that are similar, now when it does click up in the very top right of the screen and you should get the list of upcoming tracks that will be played or click on the very bottom where it shows the current artist being played to get the large album art and info Chad |
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Post by klinemj on Nov 16, 2015 15:58:58 GMT -5
I plan to do an "in depth" search of Tidal for random selections from my current rip library. I'll post the results. If Tidal has an overwhelming majority of my titles, I'll consider keeping it. I agree with Bill's point (for duplicated music, why bother?)...I am finding that I am liking Tidal for getting to the music I DON'T have...this is the real bonus for me that is worth $20/month. For example, this weekend, I listened to music by 5 artists for whom I own a grand total of 0 CD's (and enjoyed them quite a bit) and to several songs by artists for whom I own several - but not all - of their CD's. This was GREAT! Now, this dropout thing...gotta get that fixed, but worst case - I can play music from my HTPC or stream it via my Oppo. But, I would prefer to use Sonos because I can listen to ANY of my sources via it...my own library on my NAS, any free internet radio sources around the whole world, Tidal, XM, etc...all within one convenient interface that is so simple to use (and which my wife likes and uses!). The odd thing that is making no sense is that 3 of my players are doing just fine with Tidal. One is not. I have not tested the other 4 yet...but I will. Meanwhile, I sent a note to Sonos to ask for any help they can offer. It does appear that various folks have been having this issue, and I am not seeing any that have posted "I have a problem" report back with "aha, it's fixed and here's what I did..." I suspect there's a fundamental problem with Sonos and Tidal right now. Given I can get Tidal to play on all my PC's and my Nexus tablet, it does not appear to be a Tidal problem. Mark |
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Post by audiobill on Nov 16, 2015 16:07:35 GMT -5
Mark, also check out the "computer audiophile" site - lots of discussion and potential solutions there.....
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Post by klinemj on Nov 16, 2015 16:08:30 GMT -5
Also, the Tidal playlists are GREAT! My wife chose a holiday playlist or two and loved them. I chose an Otis Redding playlist and it was great! And a Marvin Gay...great stuff! I could really see using those in download forms on long trips in the car and using our car's audio line in from a phone or tablet.
Mark
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Post by audiobill on Nov 16, 2015 16:24:40 GMT -5
I plug my iphone into my car's system and just stream whatever.... i have Sprint's unlimited data plan.
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Post by Boomzilla on Nov 16, 2015 16:56:08 GMT -5
Well, the reason that I BOUGHT Tidal in the first place was because I was assured that I'd no longer need my rip library at all. If what I want is to hear new music only, I can use an internet streaming radio station tuned to a genre I like, and then buy / rip the stuff I like. Cost = $0 per month. I don't need CD quality to determine whether I like the music or not.
So if Tidal can't replace my existing library and merely duplicates (regardless of quality) music that I could easily evaluate for free, what am I paying their fee for?
I'm just not understanding the value of Tidal at all.
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Post by audiobill on Nov 16, 2015 17:41:58 GMT -5
Boom, you started this thread asking for help to get set up, which many here have tried to do for you.
If you don't "get it" and see value, that's your decision, but so many of us do who would rather have continuous access to 30 million tracks at CD quality rather than listen at 256 then spend the same amount for one cd per month. Not zero as you say.
Personally, I wouldn't do without.
Next?
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Post by audiobill on Nov 16, 2015 17:44:26 GMT -5
BTW is your time to continually worry about backup degration, RAID schemes, album covers and playlists in addition to terrabyte storage free?
i really think the ownership model reflects your needs.
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Post by Boomzilla on Nov 16, 2015 18:03:10 GMT -5
I'm not willing to pay money to lose content.
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