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Post by etc6849 on Dec 30, 2015 22:20:30 GMT -5
It is none of your business what other displays or equipment I have. Again, my money, my choice on not buying an upgrade card with only 1 input that doesn't meet my needs. I'm sorry if that offends you in some way. I forgot that you know exactly what my personal opinions and needs are. Also you edited your post to make it less rude, much appreciated  shield.nvidia.com/apps/netflixI will bow out now, but the above link says it all. Look, I have three Shields in my house and have lots of other displays. Not going to show the world my higher end equipment. It's an example in response to your post mocking what is a very capable product (that happens to be $199). And yes, 4k Netflix on the Shield requires HDCP 2.2, thought that'd be apparent at this point? It is and I'm sure your current workaround is to use the Netflix app in your 4K display to currently get a 4K stream, correct? |
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Post by bootman on Dec 30, 2015 22:26:13 GMT -5
It is none of your business what other displays or equipment I have. Again, my money, my choice on not buying an upgrade card with only 1 input that doesn't meet my needs. I'm sorry if that offends you in some way. I forgot that you know exactly what my personal opinions and needs are. Also you edited your post to make it less rude, much appreciated shield.nvidia.com/apps/netflixI will bow out now, but the above link says it all. It is and I'm sure your current workaround is to use the Netflix app in your 4K display to currently get a 4K stream, correct? No worries and I am not honestly trying to force you into one input. Just pointing out there is more than one way to do the same thing as well. I have been playing with KODI myself on my Amazon Fire, so I do get how useful it is. Have a happy New Year. |
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Post by garbulky on Dec 30, 2015 22:35:38 GMT -5
Look, I have three Shields in my house and have lots of other displays. Not going to show the world my higher end equipment. It's an example in response to your post mocking what is a very capable product (that happens to be $199). And yes, 4k Netflix on the Shield requires HDCP 2.2, thought that'd be apparent at this point? ^^^^^ Very impressed but none of that requires HDMI 2.0 with HDCP 2.2. Hi I apologize for jumping back in this thread. But this is for a tangential question. Don't worry there's nothing bad in my post but a sincere curiosity of what your setup's like.. What's your equipment (DAC and speakers)? How do you decode audio? I haven't heard of Nvidia Sheild. Is it a transport or does it have a DAC. You can PM me if you like about it. Please tell me a bit more about how you have it setup and your equipment. Thanks. It sounds cool. |
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Post by bootman on Dec 30, 2015 22:42:45 GMT -5
Look, I have three Shields in my house and have lots of other displays. Not going to show the world my higher end equipment. It's an example in response to your post mocking what is a very capable product (that happens to be $199). And yes, 4k Netflix on the Shield requires HDCP 2.2, thought that'd be apparent at this point? Hi I apologize for jumping back in this thread. But this is for a tangential question. Don't worry there's nothing bad in my post but a sincere curiosity of what your setup's like.. What's your equipment (DAC and speakers)? How do you decode audio? I haven't heard of Nvidia Sheild. Is it a transport or does it have a DAC. You can PM me if you like about it. Please tell me a bit more about how you have it setup and your equipment. Thanks. It sounds cool. The shield was primarily marketed as a gaming device so the hardware in it is miles ahead of your average media streamer. It is a pretty cool device for the money. shield.nvidia.com/blog/shield-games-holiday-saleBut real gamers are not buying it, HT users are so I'm not really sure how Nivdia will continue development on it considering they are a gaming focused company. But for the price, it is a solid unit and it runs Android so there will be uses for it well after Nvidia drops support on it. I might pick one up to play with it. |
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Post by Axis on Dec 31, 2015 0:13:06 GMT -5
Somebody call the Ghostbusters. I think Gozer is in this thread.
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Post by markc on Dec 31, 2015 1:30:28 GMT -5
It's not a VHS to DVD kind of jump, but it is better. So far I have had little problems maintaining a 4K stream during peak hours.
I just wonder why people are gunning for each other with such animosity and vitriol in this forum over these issues in this case! It's quite ugly to read and shameful in most instances.
I dread to think what potential Emotiva buyers think when they read all this, and I'm sure it is damaging the brand.
4K is such a minor issue and introduces new problems (like upgrading hardware and suffering "little problems", streaming drop outs etc) that people shouldn't get so plain nasty over it. $300 to people like me is quite a cost for a little board that gives a little technical improvement.
Sure, I bet true 4K is better technically and side by side the difference is clear but I was around in the eighties and nineties and none of us sat watching our rented VHS movies with sadness and longing due to the poor quality, lamenting for a new format to be invented and marketed to mainstream. We enjoyed the movie and didn't notice the lack of picture (and sound) clarity which we know in retrospect to be there. There was no impaired quality. It simply was what it was and we had less hang-ups for the simplicity.
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Post by etc6849 on Dec 31, 2015 9:28:48 GMT -5
I agree, I'm sticking with 1080P + Darbee DVP-5000 on my large screen for the next year or so. However, I will buy a 4k TV this year and have Best Buy price match Amazon or something (just not going to buy a $15k 4k projector). Everyone who's seen the Darbee in action is blown away by what it can do. That guy was a genius. I know a lot of videophiles would call me a sinner for using it. But they've never seen what it can do on a 100" screen. If you have a larger screen try to buy a DVP-5000 off ebay or something. I'd much rather have world class audio (not kidding the XMC-1 is that good, not just my opinion lots of measurements online show why it's such an excellent processor). I suspect very few have been in an acoustically engineered room like mine, but combine that with Dirac and a beautiful processor with lots of headroom and a very very low noise floor and it's fabulous.
I just wonder why people are gunning for each other with such animosity and vitriol in this forum over these issues in this case! It's quite ugly to read and shameful in most instances.
I dread to think what potential Emotiva buyers think when they read all this, and I'm sure it is damaging the brand.
4K is such a minor issue and introduces new problems (like upgrading hardware and suffering "little problems", streaming drop outs etc) that people shouldn't get so plain nasty over it. $300 to people like me is quite a cost for a little board that gives a little technical improvement.
Sure, I bet true 4K is better technically and side by side the difference is clear but I was around in the eighties and nineties and none of us sat watching our rented VHS movies with sadness and longing due to the poor quality, lamenting for a new format to be invented and marketed to mainstream. We enjoyed the movie and didn't notice the lack of picture (and sound) clarity which we know in retrospect to be there. There was no impaired quality. It simply was what it was and we had less hang-ups for the simplicity.
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Post by klinemj on Dec 31, 2015 9:34:13 GMT -5
I am with you on world class audio being a must. And with the swirl in video on technology and the cost of switching being huge. I plan to wait until the swirl reduces. My video is quite good, but my eyes lag the video quality anyway.
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Post by etc6849 on Dec 31, 2015 9:57:10 GMT -5
The nVidia Shield uses HDMI. It does support the HD codecs natively. The older version of KODI does TrueHD and DTS-MA decoding, but they are working on bringing bit streaming to the Shield. I don't think it will be an audible difference. The KODI team is waiting for Google to update Android TV in early 2016 before releasing this feature. I haven't dealt with USB DACs as my HTPC is in another room (using a 60 foot Monoprice Redmere HDMI cable). Honestly, room treatments will make 1000% more difference than using a USB DAC, etc... I think a few USB DACs are compatible with Android TV though, so these would work on the Shield so you aren't even limited to using HDMI! I just like the versatility of the Shields I own and the processing power they have + Android TV. I don't use it for gaming, but why settle for an Amazon Prime stick with a slower processor when for 70-80 more you can have a serious streaming box with world class video processing (and gaming too, but I don't use it for that). I wouldn't pay $199. They go on sale regularly for $149 or $199 + free remote. The neat thing is the remote has a mic, so I can also control my house with it too (using the same google voice integration from my YouTube tutorials). You can side load all kinds of android apps not in the "Android TV" store too. Everything in my home is on a single Windows based server (also runs my home automation software), and each Shield connects to it. This avoids having to ever buy a HDMI matrix switcher (a 4k switcher is very expensive right now too). My home automation server is intelligent enough to track what's being played in KODI, even if someone manually plays it on the Shield. I want to post an XMC-1 module I wrote too. I have full two way control/feedback with my home automation server. If you walk up to the XMC-1 and hit the power button on the front, the lights dim, projector comes on, etc... The problem is the stuff I'm describing is not for the normal user. You have to be very good with coding and PC's to set something like this up, but I tried to provide a lot of my modules for free on my YouTube tutorials (just don't have free time to post more stuff right now). If you google nVidia Shield it's not going to have any of the home automation features shown in my videos. There is nothing like my KODI control module from a home automation perspective unless you have a $1 million + home and have Kaleidescape + a $100k+ home automation system setup. Being able to pick a media item (song, tv channel, bluray iso, video file, etc...) and a room to play it in and seamlessly have $199 devices do it is incredible. You can pick this with your voice or through the home automation GUI too. It's all demonstrated on my YouTube channel and the my HA modules are there for free. If you have more questions please ask them under the KODI YouTube videos. If you are in SC, we can talk just PM me. Hi I apologize for jumping back in this thread. But this is for a tangential question. Don't worry there's nothing bad in my post but a sincere curiosity of what your setup's like.. What's your equipment (DAC and speakers)? How do you decode audio? I haven't heard of Nvidia Sheild. Is it a transport or does it have a DAC. You can PM me if you like about it. Please tell me a bit more about how you have it setup and your equipment. Thanks. It sounds cool. |
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Post by klinemj on Dec 31, 2015 10:39:20 GMT -5
etc6849I looked into the shield, but it is not clear to me how it fits in the chain of gear you have. Can you give me the basics on source to screen where the shield fits in, esp. as it relates to your xmc-1. A simple A goes to B goes to C goes to D...where A = source and D = screen would be great. The documentation I have found so far on the internet talks a lot about its features but little on how to use it. Thanks, Mark
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Post by etc6849 on Dec 31, 2015 11:55:49 GMT -5
Media server -> Home Network (I use gigabit lan) -> Shield with KODI app -> XMC-1 or any device with an HDMI input You can really do the same as in the video using a Windows PC, Mac, Linux with KODI installed ->XMC-1 HDMI input (or any device with an HDMI input) To control things it goes: (RF remote, voice or website GUI) -> Home Network (I use Lantronix serial port servers, Global Cache devices, wifi on my smart phone, etc) -> Windows PC running Motorola Premise The reason I'm using the Shield instead of a PC is for future proofing. It's tough to beat $149 and have a PC, and I don't think this can be done now if you want a PC that has HDMI 2.0 and HDCP 2.2. I'm not a gamer though, so I don't follow that scene. Clearly there are 4k video cards out there now, but are they HDCP 2.2, and will they work into a $149-$199 budget? You can use the RF remote sold separately for the Shield. It is Bluetooth and has a mic that's integrated into Google Now. The Shield was one of the very first HDMI 2.0 with HDCP 2.2 devices on the market. Luckily though, HDMI 2.0 is backwards compatible with HDMI 1.3, 1,3a, 1.4, etc... I don't want to clutter this thread any more than I already have If you have a Shield question, just post it on my YouTube KODI/Premise tutorial and I'll answer it there or better yet post it on the KODI site under the Shield forum: forum.kodi.tv/showthread.php?tid=220297Honestly though, even setting up KODI isn't for an end user. Lots of options to understand and this takes some study and time. Endless selection of KODI add ons too that are cross platform (mac, linux, android, windows). You can completely change the look of KODI to fit your needs. etc6849 I looked into the shield, but it is not clear to me how it fits in the chain of gear you have. Can you give me the basics on source to screen where the shield fits in, esp. as it relates to your xmc-1. A simple A goes to B goes to C goes to D...where A = source and D = screen would be great. The documentation I have found so far on the internet talks a lot about its features but little on how to use it. Thanks, Mark |
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Post by KeithL on Dec 31, 2015 14:27:05 GMT -5
The Shield is basically a "media console" - like a PlayStation or an XBox .... (think of it like a powerful "smart TV" - but without the TV). Since it runs on Android, that would make it an Android TV; and it runs Kodi (XBMC), so it can act as both a "player" and a media server. It also plays Android games - and has optional game controllers. However, what most people here seem interested in is that it runs apps like the NetFlix App..... And, if you want to run the NetFlix 4k App, or some other 4k streaming app, on a Shield (instead of just running it on your TV), in order to play 4k NetFlix content, the output of your Shield will have to be connected to an input that supports both 4k and HDCP 2.2. You should note that this is the case because the NetFlix 4k App requires it for licensing reasons. There's no reason, for example, why Kodi would require HDCP 2.2 in order to output a 4k menu to your TV, or to play 4k videos that aren't copy protected, or even to play 4k games. In general, it is a specific requirement of the 4k content itself that inflicts the HDCP 2.2 requirement. etc6849I looked into the shield, but it is not clear to me how it fits in the chain of gear you have. Can you give me the basics on source to screen where the shield fits in, esp. as it relates to your xmc-1. A simple A goes to B goes to C goes to D...where A = source and D = screen would be great. The documentation I have found so far on the internet talks a lot about its features but little on how to use it. Thanks, Mark |
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Post by klinemj on Dec 31, 2015 14:39:31 GMT -5
Thanks gents...helpful. Gets me a better start at understanding what I am seeing on the net.
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Post by Percussionista on Dec 31, 2015 14:50:18 GMT -5
... The reason I'm using the Shield instead of a PC is for future proofing. It's tough to beat $149 and have a PC, and I don't think this can be done now if you want a PC that has HDMI 2.0 and HDCP 2.2. I'm not a gamer though, so I don't follow that scene. Clearly there are 4k video cards out there now, but are they HDCP 2.2, and will they work into a $149-$199 budget?me study and time. Endless selection of KODI add ons too that are cross platform (mac, linux, android, windows). You can completely change the look of KODI to fit your needs. In theory yes... e.g., the EVGA GTX-950 FTW (their top end 950) at $159.99 right now from Amazon, or other 950 models, or the 960 models (may top your price range). I have such a 950 FTW on my Win10 "test" system, an older "gaming" system from Dell. My current regular PC has a 970, which runs 4K, but doesn't have the newer chips that support the newer HDCP. The 950/960's came out after the 970/980's. I don't have a way to test the HDCP 2.2 theory at the moment unless we subscribed to Netflix 4K, or... ?? |
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Post by Priapulus on Dec 31, 2015 16:49:07 GMT -5
The reason I'm using the Shield instead of a PC is for future proofing. It's tough to beat $149 and have a PC, and I don't think this can be done now if you want a PC that has HDMI 2.0 and HDCP 2.2. I'm not a gamer though, so I don't follow that scene. Clearly there are 4k video cards out there now, but are they HDCP 2.2, and will they work into a $149-$199 budget? Is there any point having a HDCP 2.2 pc video card? I doubt you could put a HDCP 2.2 encrypted disk into a PC and have it play, because the PC can never be HDCP 2.2 certified. (If your pc can read the disc, you can bootleg it). On the other hand, any "cracked" movie files you might have on your computer won't require HDCP 2.2, just HDMI 2.0. Sincerely /b |
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Post by Lsc on Dec 31, 2015 20:39:43 GMT -5
The reason I'm using the Shield instead of a PC is for future proofing. It's tough to beat $149 and have a PC, and I don't think this can be done now if you want a PC that has HDMI 2.0 and HDCP 2.2. I'm not a gamer though, so I don't follow that scene. Clearly there are 4k video cards out there now, but are they HDCP 2.2, and will they work into a $149-$199 budget? The Shield was one of the very first HDMI 2.0 with HDCP 2.2 devices on the market. Luckily though, HDMI 2.0 is backwards compatible with HDMI 1.3, 1,3a, 1.4, etc... I was looking at the new Apple TV but this looks so much more compelling. Thanks for talking about this. So, maybe later in 2016, I'll get this with a 75" 4K tv when I get the HDMI 2.0 board. I'll be looking to get a 4K projector down the road so having both outputs supporting 2.0 will be nice. |
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Post by etc6849 on Dec 31, 2015 22:20:33 GMT -5
Is that written into the spec? I hope not. I would think that PowerDVD Ultra HD bluray would be available under a similar license agreement as the regular bluray player. I don't have time to read the spec though, but this sounds disappointing. I will research this when I get bored next week though. If I can't play ultra hd blurays on my HTPC, they seriously have lost a potential buyer and I want to try it out at some point  The reason I'm using the Shield instead of a PC is for future proofing. It's tough to beat $149 and have a PC, and I don't think this can be done now if you want a PC that has HDMI 2.0 and HDCP 2.2. I'm not a gamer though, so I don't follow that scene. Clearly there are 4k video cards out there now, but are they HDCP 2.2, and will they work into a $149-$199 budget? Is there any point having a HDCP 2.2 pc video card? I doubt you could put a HDCP 2.2 encrypted disk into a PC and have it play, because the PC can never be HDCP 2.2 certified. (If your pc can read the disc, you can bootleg it). On the other hand, any "cracked" movie files you might have on your computer won't require HDCP 2.2, just HDMI 2.0. Sincerely /b |
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Post by cwt on Jan 1, 2016 0:36:45 GMT -5
Is that written into the spec? I hope not. I would think that PowerDVD Ultra HD bluray would be available under a similar license agreement as the regular bluray player. I don't have time to read the spec though, but this sounds disappointing. I will research this when I get bored next week though. You would think its just around the corner as a hdcp2.2 computer monitor is available ? forum.blu-ray.com/showpost.php?p=10905824&postcount=1 |
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Post by Axis on Jan 1, 2016 0:39:47 GMT -5
4K Sucks !
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Post by Deleted on Jan 1, 2016 4:19:27 GMT -5
Yeah! So does Amos Atmost Atmos. It appears to me that Atmos has to be very carefully placed, installed and calibrated to be audibly impressive. I auditioned three different Atmos setups in Sendai recently at Yodobashi Camera. One was playing back music and two movies. They all sounded dreadful, way too much ability to identify the location of the overhead sounds. With music it was simply terrible. I think the fact that they all use direct radiating speakers makes the issue even worse. My Emo ERD-1 surround speakers (dipole/bipole) mounted high on my walls make for great overhead sound effects. Knockin' On Heaven's Door sounds particularly great. Is Mr. Zimmerman trying to send me a message? PS: As far as 4K goes I think you will find that those who currently have 1080p plasma's are far less restless to get 4K, especially those who have auditioned any LCD 4K units. I do like excellent audio plus video and have waited for many years. The audio got there first but the video IMO has caught up or is very close with 1080p plasma. I am very picky and am very pleased with the video I have at the usual chairs at 6 & 9 feet. I just don't see 4K for the expense involved right now until my plasma dies and the price on OLED 4K's come way, way down. Most likely if I live long enough I might go for a 16K.  |
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Look, I have three Shields in my house and have lots of other displays. Not going to show the world my higher end equipment. It's an example in response to your post mocking what is a very capable product (that happens to be $199).
