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Post by millst on Jan 26, 2016 17:11:06 GMT -5
Not true at all. I really enjoy being able to see the volume level, surround mode, trim level, etc. easily. I doubt I'm the only one. Yes, I'm picky, but I'll keep my stuff...thanks.
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Post by Axis on Jan 26, 2016 17:23:20 GMT -5
See all these DVD's and only five Blurays. I have my OPPO BDP-103 bluray player connected strait to my Samsung F8500 51" plasma tv. I do not see any difference between DVD and Bluray. I see absolutely no difference so I buy DVD when possible and try to buy the Bluray with DVD included. My plan is to Rip all the DVD movies in the future and have a very large library of movies on hard drives when I sail around the would. These are the movies that were left over after I chose the movies that week that I wanted to watch. Hair Nick 'A Most Violent Year' was about an oil terminal  That's what I did for 22 years. I loved it ! Watching Tomorrowland now.  |
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Post by Axis on Jan 26, 2016 17:24:57 GMT -5
Not true at all. I really enjoy being able to see the volume level, surround mode, trim level, etc. easily. I doubt I'm the only one. Yes, I'm picky, but I'll keep my stuff...thanks. -tm Your just being a Devil !  |
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Post by audiosyndrome on Jan 26, 2016 17:48:32 GMT -5
The survey in the Sound and Vision magazine shows that the average consumer is clueless or being duped by the marketing of the UHD TVs. Only five percent of the respondents will be buying an UHD TV seventy-inches or bigger. I guess the other ninety-five percent don't realize they will have to sit very close, or extremely close to their set in order to take advantage of the higher resolution.
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Post by millst on Jan 26, 2016 18:12:16 GMT -5
Not necessarily. One problem is that manufacturers are killing off high end 1080p TVs. If you want an LED TV with a high refresh rate and local dimming, pretty soon you won't have a choice except to buy a 4K model. Same reason Apple sells 16GB and 64GB phones (nobody would pay extra for 64 if they could get 32). Plus, UHD isn't just about the resolution, either. HDR and the wider color gamut will be a big deal.
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Post by doc1963 on Jan 26, 2016 18:17:35 GMT -5
The survey in the Sound and Vision magazine shows that the average consumer is clueless or being duped by the marketing of the UHD TVs. Only five percent of the respondents will be buying an UHD TV seventy-inches or bigger. I guess the other ninety-five percent don't realize they will have to sit very close, or extremely close to their set in order to take advantage of the higher resolution. Russ I agree with you Russ. The reality has always been that the vast majority of consumers of these products are mostly clueless. Let's face it, DVD didn't dominate until manufactures of VHS players and pre-recorded consumables stopped producing them. HDTV's didn't become "mainstream" until the analog broadcast signals stopped. Bluray is still not the "dominant" disc format that it should be. Sadly, most people that I set up don't realize that a DVD isn't high definition. The same will hold true for UHD. For "Joe Six pack", this is all too much, too fast and too confusing.... |
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Post by Axis on Jan 26, 2016 18:19:16 GMT -5
The only real catch with streaming 4k is the bandwidth. 4k DISCS are expected to offer data bandwidth between 80 and 100 mbps; a streaming service that used 10 or 15 mbps is NOT going to be able to deliver the same quality. As far as I'm concerned, it will be very sad if we end up with a few dozen actual high quality 4k discs, and a whole bunch of "4k" streaming content that isn't any better than the Blu-Ray discs we have now. Keith I hope that lots of content comes out on 4K discs also. I see more being pessimistic than not when I read online articles about it. I was just reading about HDR (high dynamic range) format and Ultra HD Blu-ray discs not being backwards compatible with existing Blu-rays players. Looks to me this will not just be about the high cost and availability of 4K discs. The videophiles that post here will jump every hurdle to get there 4K fix. I see jmilton who is in the know pointing out that many will buy 4k TV's and then it looks like they will have to buy a 4K player. I wonder when most see all that they have to purchase again to get the full benefit of the new 4K discs, what will think about this. It never ends and I have to start over. Even the A/V receiver that I just bought two years ago ? I hate being pessimistic with a passion but this looks like it will be hard to sell to the mass audience. |
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Post by monkumonku on Jan 26, 2016 18:24:33 GMT -5
The survey in the Sound and Vision magazine shows that the average consumer is clueless or being duped by the marketing of the UHD TVs. Only five percent of the respondents will be buying an UHD TV seventy-inches or bigger. I guess the other ninety-five percent don't realize they will have to sit very close, or extremely close to their set in order to take advantage of the higher resolution. Russ I agree with you Russ. The reality has always been that the vast majority of consumers of these products are mostly clueless. Let's face it, DVD didn't dominate until manufactures of VHS players and pre-recorded consumables stopped producing them. HDTV's didn't become "mainstream" until the analog broadcast signals stopped. Bluray is still not the "dominant" disc format that it should be. Sadly, most people that I set up don't realize that a DVD isn't high definition. The same will hold true for UHD. For "Joe Six pack", this is all too much, too fast and too confusing.... Yes, but maybe they will think or believe they are seeing a better picture. Just like with audio stuff.  |
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Post by cawgijoe on Jan 26, 2016 19:36:11 GMT -5
4K tv is not a "dupe". Native 4K programming looks awesome on one of these sets. Prices have dropped dramatically and keep going down.
I personally am looking forward to 4K blu-ray and especially Oppo's player.
There will always be those that will hate this progress. I remember when DVD came out and the Laserdisc crowd jumped all over it as crap. Then Blu-Ray came along and the crowd said, DVD is good enough, I'm not buying that,
Folks, technology marches forward and that's a good thing.
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Post by klinemj on Jan 26, 2016 20:49:54 GMT -5
If you are complaining about not have the XMC-1's OSD while your watching a 4k movie on your 4k TV then you need to throw it all away. It's all over for you. Find a hole in a mountain and climb in it ! Life is over as you know it ! Nothing will every satisfy you ! Someone help me here. I can't recall a single time I brought up the OSP on and AVR or pre/pro while watching a movie. I set up the gear, put in the movie, play it, and only pause it for bio-breaks. If I need the OSD for setup, I do that separately...not when playing a movie. The only thing I see from the osd is if I adjust volume, but I can easily see that on my XMC if the osd didn't show. Mark |
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Post by millst on Jan 26, 2016 21:33:01 GMT -5
That's good for you, not for everybody. My XMC-1 is enclosed in a cabinet so I'll never see its display while watching.
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Post by klinemj on Jan 26, 2016 21:46:23 GMT -5
In the old days, all I had was my hand and a knob to adjust volume (that sounds dirty...don't take it that way!). So, my habit is to adjust volume to my ears' liking. I don't actually care what the number reads. These days, even if I can't see the volume indicator, my ears tell me if I want more or less volume.
So, even if I don't see the volume indicator it does not matter to me. To others, it may. Just not me.
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Post by Axis on Jan 26, 2016 21:59:57 GMT -5
That's good for you, not for everybody. My XMC-1 is enclosed in a cabinet so I'll never see its display while watching. -tm Show me a picture of your XMC-1 enclosed in a cabinet. |
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Post by garbulky on Jan 26, 2016 22:59:51 GMT -5
I agree that the introduction of UHD is premature. Just go to any Red Box and rent a movie. They want to rent you a DVD!Once you get past the disclaimers then you can get your Blu-Ray, for some movies. I personally know people who don't own a Blu-Ray player. I ask them why they don't buy a Blu-Ray player and their response is "why?". They say that everything is available on DVD. Which of course it is, and they don't care about more resolution. They say that they can understand the story just fine, with "just" DVD resolution. Are we now to expect a large number of the public to "skip" Blu-Ray and Adopt UHD? I don't think so. What will happen is that they will end up not venturing away from their DVDs. Because the higher resolution formats don't offer them anything that they think that they need. You know, kinda like HiRez music. So yes 4K, and now 8K, resolution is possible and standardized. But if you're marketing to the american public, UHD is only necessary to the few videophiles, and early adopters. Until UHD discs represent a sizeable percentage of available movies (sales and rental), I see no reason to buy a UHD display. And if I don't own a UHD display why would I want a UHD source or processing? You early adopters and videophiles have fun. I'm glad that Emotiva is trying to keep up with the technology curve. Just don't be surprised that video boards and other products are influenced by a "public sales" curve. UHD is well beyond "early adopters" status. www.soundandvision.com/content/almost-half-tv-buyers-plan-4k-purchase#607S7LGUdaFop0UE.974k.com/news/4k-tv-sales-to-surpass-100-million-units-by-2018-5948/Hold on a second. Let's talk about "news" and then reality shall we? The library where I work at we have TEN BLU RAYS. That's because nobody is interested in Blu rays where I'm at. Now granted it's a poorer location but it's still that we have ten blu rays which by the way are still not checked out. We have a main branch that has about 1000 or more blu rays. The latest. Our branch has the inbuilt ability to pull blu rays from that branch to ours for free. Guess how many people take advantage of that since I've worked there? NONE. ZILCH. NADA. And plenty will do that for DVDs. Not a single blu ray from our free massive blu ray respository. No interest whatsoever in blu rays. The survey basically asks people are you going to buy a new tv. That is VERY different from are you going to buy 4k content. Why? Let's see. For many many years, blu ray capable 1080 p tvs have been sold. All this time, DVD's are the main physycal thing rented. Ask red box. Yeah DVDs. The thing that came out after VHS. Just because somebody buys a 4k tv in no way no how means they even know about 4k blu rays or will EVER spend extra $ to buy a 4k blu ray versus a DVD. Too many assumptions. They likely want a 4k tv because it's the latest thing. Or they have no idea what 4k means but assumes that's what they will buy as it's the "good one" and they are going to buy a new tv. I'm VERY excited about 4k tv. Blu ray diddn't fully satisfy me in bringing some seriuos resolution to hte mix. Now don't get me wrong it is significanlty better than DVD and I'm not sure why people are okay with DVD resolution. But the reality is people don't give a $@#$!. And that's why standard definition ruled for so long. People ended up buying in to higher definition TVs just because....IT WAS THE DEFAULT AVIALABLE CHOICE IN THEIR PRICE RANGE. Ask the average tv owner what's the difference between DVDs and blu rays. They might say better picture. Ask them in which way. They won't know. They wouldn't be able to say 1080p vs 480 p. I'd be impressed if htey said 1080p. That's the reality we live in. Ask them if they have HDMI 1 or 1.4 or 2. They will barely know what an HDMI cable is. Ask them what is dobly true HD? What is DTS master HD? ASk them about Dolby Atmos. Seriously they don't have a single clue. You know what my friend says about Blu rays? She is married to a computer sofware engineer. She isn't clueless. She purposely buys DVDs because it has less commercials. Now I doubt that's true but that's her reality. She has 55 inch TV and is reasonably well off financially. Neither her nor her family give a single darn about blu ray. How will we expect them to pay their hard earned money for 4k blu ray when they don't even know why they would want to do so? |
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Post by millst on Jan 27, 2016 0:46:52 GMT -5
In the old days, all I had was my hand and a knob to adjust volume (that sounds dirty...don't take it that way!). So, my habit is to adjust volume to my ears' liking. I don't actually care what the number reads. These days, even if I can't see the volume indicator, my ears tell me if I want more or less volume. Yeah, I had that, too. And then a TV with an infrared remote. And since then, many other things that are even better. I don't miss any of those less capable devices. Try navigating the speaker settings menu on the XMC-1 (located in another room) while using a calibration disc without the OSD. -tm |
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Post by millst on Jan 27, 2016 0:47:50 GMT -5
Show me a picture of your XMC-1 enclosed in a cabinet. You don't believe me? -tm |
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Post by repeetavx on Jan 27, 2016 2:16:30 GMT -5
The best thing about DVDs is that you don't have to rewind them. And it's that type of thinking that is causing streaming to be "the next big thing". No discs to load or remove. The next question will become quality vs bandwidth, and how much the average public will notice.
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Post by cawgijoe on Jan 27, 2016 6:06:36 GMT -5
The best thing about DVDs is that you don't have to rewind them. And it's that type of thinking that is causing streaming to be "the next big thing". No discs to load or remove. The next question will become quality vs bandwidth, and how much the average public will notice. Convenience. Streaming is easy. The problem is that for us enthusiasts, audiophiles, videophiles, it does not provide the best picture and sound. |
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Post by klinemj on Jan 27, 2016 6:33:09 GMT -5
In the old days, all I had was my hand and a knob to adjust volume (that sounds dirty...don't take it that way!). So, my habit is to adjust volume to my ears' liking. I don't actually care what the number reads. These days, even if I can't see the volume indicator, my ears tell me if I want more or less volume. Yeah, I had that, too. And then a TV with an infrared remote. And since then, many other things that are even better. I don't miss any of those less capable devices. Try navigating the speaker settings menu on the XMC-1 (located in another room) while using a calibration disc without the OSD. -tm If you were using a 4k and bypassing, yes. But if you also have an output going from XMC to TV, your 4k TV will play non 4k stuff from the XMC still as long as its not a 4k source. Right? Mark |
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Post by jmilton on Jan 27, 2016 8:51:35 GMT -5
UHDTVs are selling at a faster rate than when 1080P first came out. All of the high end video processing is going into UHD, not HD. Sure HDTVs are cheap, but NO manufacturer is putting any effort into making them. CES was not about 4K this year...that was LAST year. This year was all about HDR and Rec 2020. Most of the standards are now in place for UHD, as announced at CES:( www.audioholics.com/news/uhd-alliance-premium-certification). With the low pricing on UHD, the reason to get one isn't about resolution any more. It's because UHDTVs are far superior to their 1080P counter parts in quality, video processing, better color rendition and excellent contrast. Almost all will upscale conventional HD video, whether OTA, cable or streaming...so "lack of content" isn't really the issue either. All of the top rated TVs on CNET in 2015 were UHDTVs. They are just superior in almost every way compared to HD. The "average" consumer is just going to have to go with the flow. People who still watch VHS and have rotary dial phones will have to deal with the inexorable flood of technology or be swept away. I for one, have my dinghy ready! |
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