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Post by jinjuku on Feb 6, 2016 11:34:35 GMT -5
I don't think that Audioquest is any more a fraud than a wide variety of other companies (in audio or elsewhere). The only thing I take issue with as it pertains to AQ is the blatant false advertising. They have CAT7 listed on the Vodka RJE web site. There are a few problems: There is no official TIA spec for CAT7 The Telegartner terminations they use are rated CAT6a The Vodka RJE cable as tested by BlueJeans Cable was in the 6a margin of error And lastly Bill Low won't answer any questions about the false advertising. |
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Post by geebo on Feb 6, 2016 12:36:23 GMT -5
I don't think that Audioquest is any more a fraud than a wide variety of other companies (in audio or elsewhere). The only thing I take issue with as it pertains to AQ is the blatant false advertising. They have CAT7 listed on the Vodka RJE web site. There are a few problems: There is no official TIA spec for CAT7 The Telegartner terminations they use are rated CAT6a The Vodka RJE cable as tested by BlueJeans Cable was in the 6a margin of error And lastly Bill Low won't answer any questions about the false advertising. I'm no fan of AQ but they aren't the only ones selling Cat7 cable. In fact, my Samsung TV recommends Cat7 for internet connection. "We recommend using Cat 7 LAN cables to link your TV to the Internet Access Points.
There are three ways to connect the TV to your Internet Access Points. Using Cat 7 cables, connect
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Post by jinjuku on Feb 6, 2016 13:42:20 GMT -5
The only thing I take issue with as it pertains to AQ is the blatant false advertising. They have CAT7 listed on the Vodka RJE web site. There are a few problems: There is no official TIA spec for CAT7 The Telegartner terminations they use are rated CAT6a The Vodka RJE cable as tested by BlueJeans Cable was in the 6a margin of error And lastly Bill Low won't answer any questions about the false advertising. I'm no fan of AQ but they aren't the only ones selling Cat7 cable. In fact, my Samsung TV recommends Cat7 for internet connection. "We recommend using Cat 7 LAN cables to link your TV to the Internet Access Points.
There are three ways to connect the TV to your Internet Access Points. Using Cat 7 cables, connect
the TV to the Access Points as shown in one of the following illustrations."Can we agree that there is indeed a difference between recommending a cable and selling something that isn't what it is purported to be? AAA recommends you purchase vehicles with Horizontally opposed 8's (when no such thing exists) A car company is selling a car with a V8 but advertising it's a H-opposed 8. It would be laughable that AAA is recommending something that doesn't exist. It's fraudulent for the car company to sell it to you. The closest you can get to a non-ratified TIA CAT7 spec cable is something with Tera or GG45 connectors. The bottom line is Audio Quest is supposed to be THE material expertise in the field of cabling (if we believe their marketing). So ergo they should know better. Look, they don't even wire their XLR to AES standards. I cringe at what other crap they do out of spec. Couple this with the fact that their $350 Vodka RJE tested out in the margin of error for the 6a spec while a $12 BJC cable was about 150% past the spec for it's lowest scoring measurement. |
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Post by geebo on Feb 6, 2016 14:06:20 GMT -5
I'm no fan of AQ but they aren't the only ones selling Cat7 cable. In fact, my Samsung TV recommends Cat7 for internet connection. "We recommend using Cat 7 LAN cables to link your TV to the Internet Access Points.
There are three ways to connect the TV to your Internet Access Points. Using Cat 7 cables, connect
the TV to the Access Points as shown in one of the following illustrations."Can we agree that there is indeed a difference between recommending a cable and selling something that isn't what it is purported to be? AAA recommends you purchase vehicles with Horizontally opposed 8's (when no such thing exists) A car company is selling a car with a V8 but advertising it's a H-opposed 8. It would be laughable that AAA is recommending something that doesn't exist. It's fraudulent for the car company to sell it to you. The closest you can get to a non-ratified TIA CAT7 spec cable is something with Tera or GG45 connectors. The bottom line is Audio Quest is supposed to be THE material expertise in the field of cabling (if we believe their marketing). So ergo they should know better. Look, they don't even wire their XLR to AES standards. I cringe at what other crap they do out of spec. Couple this with the fact that their $350 Vodka RJE tested out in the margin of error for the 6a spec while a $12 BJC cable was about 150% past the spec for it's lowest scoring measurement. Of course there is a difference. But selling what they call a Cat7 cable as many other companies do is not the same as the outrageous claims made in the video which no other company I know of has done. Just pointing out that "Cat7" cables are available from many sources and easily obtainable. Not just from AQ. And I have no respect of Audioquest and do not consider them to be "THE material expertise in the field of cabling". And I'll bet a lot of others don't, either. So is someone really selling a V8 claiming it's a horizontally opposed 8 cylinder engine? |
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Post by jinjuku on Feb 6, 2016 14:46:23 GMT -5
Of course there is a difference. But selling what they call a Cat7 cable as many other companies do is not the same as the outrageous claims made in the video which no other company I know of has done. Just pointing out that "Cat7" cables are available from many sources and easily obtainable. Not just from AQ. And I have no respect of Audioquest and do not consider them to be "THE material expertise in the field of cabling". And I'll bet a lot of others don't, either. So is someone really selling a V8 claiming it's a horizontally opposed 8 cylinder engine? What is or isn't outrageous is a matter of perspective. When I see a $5 12 foot "CAT6/6a/7" cable on Amazon I'm personally not dumb enough to believe it. Now when someone see's a $350 'CAT7' cable I do believe they should have every expectation for the 7,000% price increase that they cable they are buying is CAT7 and not getting bested by a cable that costs $12 and comes with a printed certification sheet (in color even  ) I do believe that to be just as outrageous as the bogus video and the fact Bill Low, a principal at a cabling company that can hear the difference in the direction the cable is connected, but was so unsure of the video that he had to ask the production people about it's efficacy to stretch credibility beyond breaking. Add to that he or someone else didn't take the time to grab a Monoprice cable or such that I'm willing to bet dollars to donuts they have and verify for themselves. They're hacks of the very worst kind in this industry. |
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Post by yves on Feb 6, 2016 14:58:29 GMT -5
I'm no fan of AudioQuest either. I'm a fan of Yves Rossy.  |
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Post by Porscheguy on Feb 6, 2016 15:09:50 GMT -5
Aren't they all frauds? The guy who founded Monster Cable has made millions making "pretty" cables. A marketing genius.
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Post by geebo on Feb 6, 2016 15:38:40 GMT -5
Of course there is a difference. But selling what they call a Cat7 cable as many other companies do is not the same as the outrageous claims made in the video which no other company I know of has done. Just pointing out that "Cat7" cables are available from many sources and easily obtainable. Not just from AQ. And I have no respect of Audioquest and do not consider them to be "THE material expertise in the field of cabling". And I'll bet a lot of others don't, either. So is someone really selling a V8 claiming it's a horizontally opposed 8 cylinder engine? What is or isn't outrageous is a matter of perspective. When I see a $5 12 foot "CAT6/6a/7" cable on Amazon I'm personally not dumb enough to believe it. Now when someone see's a $350 'CAT7' cable I do believe they should have every expectation for the 7,000% price increase that they cable they are buying is CAT7 and not getting bested by a cable that costs $12 and comes with a printed certification sheet (in color even ) I do believe that to be just as outrageous as the bogus video and the fact Bill Low, a principal at a cabling company that can hear the difference in the direction the cable is connected, but was so unsure of the video that he had to ask the production people about it's efficacy to stretch credibility beyond breaking. Add to that he or someone else didn't take the time to grab a Monoprice cable or such that I'm willing to bet dollars to donuts they have and verify for themselves. They're hacks of the very worst kind in this industry. I just happen to believe that a 10dB increase claim in an HDMI cable is more outrageous than the claim of having a Cat7 cable. I'll bet we see Cat7 cables before we see an HDMI cable give a 10dB increase in volume. |
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Post by hemster on Feb 6, 2016 15:58:29 GMT -5
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Post by pedrocols on Feb 6, 2016 16:56:41 GMT -5
Every single audio company make false claims. All of them! If you think that they don't oh well you free to believe whatever you want....
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Post by jinjuku on Feb 6, 2016 17:05:32 GMT -5
Aren't they all frauds? The guy who founded Monster Cable has made millions making "pretty" cables. A marketing genius. No. Plenty of reasonable outfits that make well built product for not a lot of cash. I don't go buying bottom of the barrel but diminishing returns set in very quickly. Agreed Monster is marketing genius. I also have some Monster cable that I picked up new in package for what it would have cost to get some no name stuff and I can't ding it's build quality. |
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Post by copperpipe on Feb 6, 2016 17:08:39 GMT -5
Every single audio company make false claims. All of them! If you think that they don't oh well you free to believe whatever you want.... Nope, not true at all. First you have to define the difference between "marketing" and "false claims"; not exactly the same thing. Second, your statement entirely misses the concept of "significance". Some claims are slightly stretching; others are bald faced lies meant to part an audiophoole from his money. We don't live in a black and white world, some companies are far worse than others in this. I find Emotiva to be quite honest and transparent (in this regard anyway). |
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Post by pedrocols on Feb 6, 2016 17:14:15 GMT -5
Every single audio company make false claims. All of them! If you think that they don't oh well you free to believe whatever you want.... Nope, not true at all. First you have to define the difference between "marketing" and "false claims"; not exactly the same thing. Second, your statement entirely misses the concept of "significance". Some claims are slightly stretching; others are bald faced lies meant to part an audiophoole from his money. We don't live in a black and white world, some companies are far worse than others in this. I find Emotiva to be quite honest and transparent (in this regard anyway). Like I said you free to believe whatever you want. |
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Post by jinjuku on Feb 6, 2016 17:30:49 GMT -5
Nope, not true at all. First you have to define the difference between "marketing" and "false claims"; not exactly the same thing. Second, your statement entirely misses the concept of "significance". Some claims are slightly stretching; others are bald faced lies meant to part an audiophoole from his money. We don't live in a black and white world, some companies are far worse than others in this. I find Emotiva to be quite honest and transparent (in this regard anyway). Like I said you free to believe whatever you want. So you are saying that if I gave you the name of a audio company or two you could point out legal fraud? |
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Post by pedrocols on Feb 6, 2016 17:35:53 GMT -5
Like I said you free to believe whatever you want. So you are saying that if I gave you the name of a audio company or two you could point out legal fraud? Who is talking about legal fraud? I will politely suggest you read my post again but this time do so very carefully... |
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Post by Axis on Feb 6, 2016 17:42:11 GMT -5
The damage already done !
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Post by Axis on Feb 6, 2016 17:48:51 GMT -5
From the movie 'Bridge of Spies'
"Aren't you worried"
"Would it help if I was"
Wisdom abounds !
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Post by copperpipe on Feb 6, 2016 17:53:02 GMT -5
Nope, not true at all. First you have to define the difference between "marketing" and "false claims"; not exactly the same thing. Second, your statement entirely misses the concept of "significance". Some claims are slightly stretching; others are bald faced lies meant to part an audiophoole from his money. We don't live in a black and white world, some companies are far worse than others in this. I find Emotiva to be quite honest and transparent (in this regard anyway). Like I said you free to believe whatever you want. So are you free to believe what you want. But if you want to make absolute claims then you need to provide proof, otherwise you're just rambling  |
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Post by pedrocols on Feb 6, 2016 18:00:30 GMT -5
Like I said you free to believe whatever you want. So are you free to believe what you want. But if you want to make absolute claims then you need to provide proof, otherwise you're just rambling I don't need to provide "proof" about something that is known...  |
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Post by copperpipe on Feb 6, 2016 18:39:10 GMT -5
So are you free to believe what you want. But if you want to make absolute claims then you need to provide proof, otherwise you're just rambling I don't need to provide "proof" about something that is known... I really love your logic my friend. |
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