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Post by Jim on Mar 18, 2016 6:18:44 GMT -5
I was getting excited until I read this blurb: "Note: To ensure that additional amplifier channels are installed properly, and function to our specifications, additional amplifier modules must be installed by Emotiva, or by your local authorized Emotiva service representative." I feel like I was just told that I can't add memory to a computer and only a "specialist" could. It looks really promising - and I like the specs - don't get me wrong..... But if I can't upgrade a modular device by myself - It's not really modular in my mind! Who is going to want to pay for shipping to have someone else screw in a card?! I don't mean to rain on the parade... That stipulation just seems a little 1980s to me. The internal voltages present in the chassis are potentially lethal. Some areas of the power supply have up to 300 volts present. This is not like installing a memory card! Also, the unit needs to be thoroughly tested and burned in after modification. Cheers! I just figured the card slid in and that was about it. As long as it was powered off - it "seemed" like a no brainer. I can appreciate the testing and burning in though. That's cool! Clearly you thought through this point. Thanks for responding Dan - I appreciate it! |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2016 8:12:21 GMT -5
i dont see emotiva being a good value for amps anymore...too bad...they were class leading in that regard
hope my Gen2's never die...then I will be forced to go with a new company
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Post by Jim on Mar 18, 2016 8:21:23 GMT -5
Are the XPA (gen 2s) being phased out entirely in favor of the new Gen3 topology?
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Post by Mark on Mar 18, 2016 8:21:51 GMT -5
Any idea when we see the XPA Gen 3 double wide mono block channels?
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Post by LuisV on Mar 18, 2016 8:25:30 GMT -5
Seems like it's a good time that the Lounge's banner image is updated with the XMC-1 and Gen 3 amps... no? Just saying...  |
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Post by Jim on Mar 18, 2016 8:29:05 GMT -5
Seems like it's a good time that the Lounge's banner image is updated with the XMC-1 and Gen 3 amps... no? Just saying... Personally I like the bottom image.......  Maybe Emotiva will start selling guitars..... LOL |
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Post by jevans64 on Mar 18, 2016 8:40:14 GMT -5
I was getting excited until I read this blurb: "Note: To ensure that additional amplifier channels are installed properly, and function to our specifications, additional amplifier modules must be installed by Emotiva, or by your local authorized Emotiva service representative." I feel like I was just told that I can't add memory to a computer and only a "specialist" could. It looks really promising - and I like the specs - don't get me wrong..... But if I can't upgrade a modular device by myself - It's not really modular in my mind! Who is going to want to pay for shipping to have someone else screw in a card?! I don't mean to rain on the parade... That stipulation just seems a little 1980s to me. Well I think Emo would rather put up with complaints like yours than having to be bankrupted by the surviving family of a customer who electrocuted himself while trying to do the modular upgrade himself. The stipulation may seem 80's but 40 years later there's even more vulture lawyers circling around looking for business. Huge difference between the ~3.3v supply to PC memory slots and the 3000v supply to the amp blades. Industrial Engineering is my trade, so I'm around voltages MUCH higher than that, but I would STILL have Emotiva do the upgrade vs. me doing it myself. I can just put the amp in the car and drive it to Emotiva though, so upgrading would be easy for me. I'm pretty sure Emotiva will work with a local repair shop authorized to work with the big brands, like Denon/Marantz, Yamaha, Onkyo, etc. to do the upgrade locally. You'd probably have to pay extra for the local shop to do the upgrade but it probably wouldn't be any more than shipping it back to Emotiva |
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Post by DavidR on Mar 18, 2016 8:53:46 GMT -5
The internal voltages present in the chassis are potentially lethal. Some areas of the power supply have up to 300 volts present. This is not like installing a memory card! Also, the unit needs to be thoroughly tested and burned in after modification. Cheers! I just figured the card slid in and that was about it. As long as it was powered off - it "seemed" like a no brainer. I can appreciate the testing and burning in though. That's cool! Clearly you thought through this point. Thanks for responding Dan - I appreciate it! BEWARE! Power capacitors can store energy for quite some time AFTER being unplugged from the wall. Even a small cap can deliver a decent jolt. It's not pleasant to get zappped by one. I was soldering a new cap onto a board and a nearby cap that I had not discharged touched my damp skin - oouuuuch. I would assume there is also some bias adjustments that need to be made once a new blade/card is installed. |
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Post by Jim on Mar 18, 2016 8:59:34 GMT -5
I just figured the card slid in and that was about it. As long as it was powered off - it "seemed" like a no brainer. I can appreciate the testing and burning in though. That's cool! Clearly you thought through this point. Thanks for responding Dan - I appreciate it! BEWARE! Power capacitors can store energy for quite some time AFTER being unplugged from the wall. Even a small cap can deliver a decent jolt. It's not pleasant to get zappped by one. I was soldering a new cap onto a board and a nearby cap that I had not discharged touched my damp skin - oouuuuch. I would assume there is also some bias adjustments that need to be made once a new blade/card is installed. But power caps are so much cheaper than Red Bull.. I've been shocked by a flash circuit before. That was.... memorable. (EDIT: I don't want people to think that I don't understand the risks with electricity/amps/caps. I was making certain assumptions when I made my post........ Like that you'd be putting a discharged module into an empty slot. I absolutely underestimate what other people THINK might be a good idea. Not everybody has common sense. How? I don't know) |
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Post by klinemj on Mar 18, 2016 9:27:14 GMT -5
Will there be xpa-1 or xpa-1L gen3? Thanks. They have said there will be a mono block. Mark |
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Post by klinemj on Mar 18, 2016 9:29:24 GMT -5
Are the XPA (gen 2s) being phased out entirely in favor of the new Gen3 topology? Yes. Mark |
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Post by Jim on Mar 18, 2016 9:30:30 GMT -5
Are the XPA (gen 2s) being phased out entirely in favor of the new Gen3 topology? Yes. Mark  |
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Post by junchoon on Mar 19, 2016 4:28:56 GMT -5
Will there be xpa-1 or xpa-1L gen3? Thanks. They have said there will be a mono block. Mark Okay thanks. |
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Post by Dan Laufman on Mar 19, 2016 7:38:30 GMT -5
i dont see emotiva being a good value for amps anymore...too bad...they were class leading in that regard hope my Gen2's never die...then I will be forced to go with a new company Well, I hate to burst your bubble, but Emotiva is the price/performance leader. It's not really close. I invite you to compare. Cheers, Big Dan |
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Post by brubacca on Mar 19, 2016 8:11:57 GMT -5
Well, I hate to burst your bubble, but Emotiva is the price/performance leader. It's not really close. I invite you to compare. Cheers, Big Dan You think going from 800$ for a 5 channel amp to 1600$ is still good value? I'mean sorry to speak out of turn, but... I think Big Dan's point is what else is out there that you can buy for $1600 or less for the same wattage. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2016 8:16:09 GMT -5
You think going from 800$ for a 5 channel amp to 1600$ is still good value? I'mean sorry to speak out of turn, but... I think Big Dan's point is what else is out there that you can buy for $1600 or less for the same wattage. That's not the point I was making (well I could. I could go with all pro amps and have all monoblocks for cheaper than he new gen 3) I was saying it's not a value anymore. The ONLY reason I ever got into separates was because emotiva was affordable! Now it's absurd for the same product. They were leaps and bounds ahead of the competition. Now not so much. For Dan to say "not even close" I don't buy that. There is honestly imho nothing special about emotiva anymore. It was all a super value. Now it's just another amp. Again all my opinion. If he is so sure it's leaps and bounds over th competition. How about HE show me some comparison. Win my money. Cause I don't see where I would ever buy a gen3 amp. |
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Post by cawgijoe on Mar 19, 2016 8:33:18 GMT -5
I'mean sorry to speak out of turn, but... I think Big Dan's point is what else is out there that you can buy for $1600 or less for the same wattage. That's not the point I was making (well I could. I could go with all pro amps and have all monoblocks for cheaper than he new gen 3) I was saying it's not a value anymore. The ONLY reason I ever got into separates was because emotiva was affordable! Now it's absurd for the same product. They were leaps and bounds ahead of the competition. Now not so much. For Dan to say "not even close" I don't buy that. There is honestly imho nothing special about emotiva anymore. It was all a super value. Now it's just another amp. Again all my opinion. If he is so sure it's leaps and bounds over th competition. How about HE show me some comparison. Win my money. Cause I don't see where I would ever buy a gen3 amp. I'm going to have to agree with bmoney here. I would not be into separates if it were not for Emotiva. I would currently have a mid level Denon or Yamaha receiver augmented by a used 3 channel amp for the Thiels. I thank Emotiva for the XPA-5 that I currently have at an amazing price value point. Even if the new Gen 3 is better, which I'm sure it is, It's a shock that it has doubled in price. I don't see the value. Dan did say they are coming out with a less expensive line which is good, but it remains to be seen whether the quality matches that of the Gen1 and Gen2 XPA series. |
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Post by smarties on Mar 19, 2016 8:41:31 GMT -5
i dont see emotiva being a good value for amps anymore...too bad...they were class leading in that regard hope my Gen2's never die...then I will be forced to go with a new company Well, I hate to burst your bubble, but Emotiva is the price/performance leader. It's not really close. I invite you to compare. Cheers, Big Dan Outlaw? Nakamichi? |
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Post by brubacca on Mar 19, 2016 8:42:44 GMT -5
I'mean sorry to speak out of turn, but... I think Big Dan's point is what else is out there that you can buy for $1600 or less for the same wattage. That's not the point I was making (well I could. I could go with all pro amps and have all monoblocks for cheaper than he new gen 3) I was saying it's not a value anymore. The ONLY reason I ever got into separates was because emotiva was affordable! Now it's absurd for the same product. They were leaps and bounds ahead of the competition. Now not so much. For Dan to say "not even close" I don't buy that. There is honestly imho nothing special about emotiva anymore. It was all a super value. Now it's just another amp. Again all my opinion. If he is so sure it's leaps and bounds over th competition. How about HE show me some comparison. Win my money. Cause I don't see where I would ever buy a gen3 amp. Personally I agree with both you and Dan on this one. Granted my focus is two channel. If you are talking about absolute lowest cost/Watt, those days seem to be gone with the transition from Gen 2 to Gen 3. In fact, i felt so strongly about it that I ponied up for a pair of XPA-100 for my HT, that I really didn't need at this point. I just feel that the Gen 3 will not be as affordable as the Gen 2 on an absolute $$ Cost scale. That being said, before I did this I looked around at the competition, and this is where I agree with Big Dan. If Gen 2 had never been so affordable, Gen 3 would still be avalue leader in comparison to the Parasound/Rotels/Brystons of the world. Maybe outlaw is competative, but based on previous experiences i will not buy their products. In the end people will do what they want with their own hard earned money. I hope Emotiva is successful, and I think that banging on them just makes them more reluctant to share. And the sharing part is what made this a great place to hang out in the past. What we don't know is what else emotiva has up their sleeves. Maybe the BaseX line will fill in that Gen2 price gap. |
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Post by oat07 on Mar 19, 2016 10:09:41 GMT -5
That's not the point I was making (well I could. I could go with all pro amps and have all monoblocks for cheaper than he new gen 3) I was saying it's not a value anymore. The ONLY reason I ever got into separates was because emotiva was affordable! Now it's absurd for the same product. They were leaps and bounds ahead of the competition. Now not so much. For Dan to say "not even close" I don't buy that. There is honestly imho nothing special about emotiva anymore. It was all a super value. Now it's just another amp. Again all my opinion. If he is so sure it's leaps and bounds over th competition. How about HE show me some comparison. Win my money. Cause I don't see where I would ever buy a gen3 amp. I'm going to have to agree with bmoney here. I would not be into separates if it were not for Emotiva. I would currently have a mid level Denon or Yamaha receiver augmented by a used 3 channel amp for the Thiels. I thank Emotiva for the XPA-5 that I currently have at an amazing price value point. Even if the new Gen 3 is better, which I'm sure it is, It's a shock that it has doubled in price. I don't see the value. Dan did say they are coming out with a less expensive line which is good, but it remains to be seen whether the quality matches that of the Gen1 and Gen2 XPA series. I agree that the price increase is large, but you are omitting a very important point. They are all assembled in house. People love to ask for American made, but do not want to pay the additional cost involved. People requested this and now they have it along with the cost involved with maintaining the required factory and staff. I still view Emotiva as a great value and they compete well with other brands. I do wish they still had the XPR line. I wanted to buy one so badly. |
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